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defectivelasagna
post Apr 10 2011, 01:54 AM

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I'll be heading to the states next year, hopefully if i pass my pointer i will smile.gif

I don't think its fair to look down on those who stick to their own race, although it's not the best of what's overseas experience supposed to be, but not everyone is able to mingle around easily. language barriers, cultural barriers, many factors. What should be done is to help them out maybe? Instead of scorning them, which would make it worse.

Anyway, im hoping to apply to University of Washington. very keeeen on it biggrin.gif
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post Apr 10 2011, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Apr 10 2011, 05:22 AM)
why does feeling disgust for such people mean I'm white-washed? As it is, a lot of Malaysians like to say they studied overseas ... but all their friends are Malaysian. Why did you go overseas then? Where are your multi-cultural, multi-racial friends that aren't Malaysian? Making excuses about "cultures not clicking", that is YOUR face problem because you're not accepting of others and expecting them to accept you.
in the US? Language barrier is not an excuse at all, because all Malaysians speak some competent level of English (I hope). Cultural barriers how? It's not like they're forcing theirs on you nor should you be forcing yours on them. So many excuses as to why Malaysians stick to Malaysians overseas ... I think the one I would accept is "I'm afraid of white people", but then that begs the question:

Why are you going to the West for studies if you're afraid of white people?  laugh.gif
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Cultureshock is a very real and alive phenomenon, even if in malaysia you speak a competent level of english, it doesn't mean you can click culturally, most malaysians don't have that strong command of english to the point of confidence. Why is it that you say that they aren't accepting of others? Could it be that they just don't know HOW to interact? and so they keep quiet and just do what they know they can do? Isn't it a defense mechanism? to be with the familiar? Like i said, of course it'd be great to get out of your comfort zone, especially in the US. But for those who do have a problem, looking down on them and shunning them is only gonna make it worse. As to studying overseas, some people value the education as it is, an education, just a degree. So they don't feel the need to have all the social interaction for them to feel that it's worthwhile eventhough i disagree with that.

Anyway, back on topic. I know that TOEFL is the main english proficiency test for the US, could IELTS serve as a substitute? my sponsors are only willing to pay for IELTS unfortunately.


Added on April 10, 2011, 10:15 am
QUOTE(OMG! @ Apr 10 2011, 10:12 AM)
Anyone know which celebrity or any famous figures who study at US top notch university besides Mark Zukermberg, the FB founder.
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Natalie Portman went to Yale, Emma Watson went to Brown. dunno who else lol

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post Apr 10 2011, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Apr 10 2011, 10:28 AM)
Eee, while I'm not disgusted at Malaysian who just stick to Malaysian, I know for sure that the bolded part is a very lame excuse. It's in fact an excuse born when politicians, psychological and sociological on the 20th century try to give a scientific sounding terms or explanation for every small problem.

In reality, while cultural and language barriers do exist, I do not think it's anything like a 'barrier'. It's at the most a short period of uneasiness, unless you set it as a barrier in your mind. In Malaysia, there is a huge cultural difference between many races and in many areas, Indians and Chinese do not speak the same kind of Malay that Malays use to speak among themselves. I mean the slang words and such. While we may not be very integrated, I don't think anyone see it as a big problem to make friends with or talk to members or other races, or feel particularly uncomfortable if one is invited to a cultural festival or another race. So really it isn't much harder to mix with whites or blacks.


Added on April 10, 2011, 10:40 am

Honestly I haven't really met anyone who has been culture-"shocked". And you don't need to speak English competently to be able to communicate with them. Sometimes I don't get half the things a black person is speaking is they use ebonics to the full. There are alot of people who are very poor at English and mingle around very well. There are alot alot of people who speak good English by have an accent. Alot of white have a hard time understanding what I say if I talk too fast cause my accent sounds weird to them.

And erm, some colleges do accept IELTS, most don't. Of course you should email your college. And I don't think it's too hard to persuade your sponsor to pay for your TOEFL.
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Well, what do you suggest is the reason malaysians stick together? They simply don't want to?

hmm it seems that practically all unis that i want to apply to do accept IELTS, thanks though smile.gif


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post Apr 11 2011, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Apr 11 2011, 12:26 AM)
you make it sound like it's such a difficult thing to do lol if anything, Americans find different cultures FASCINATING. As for the Muslim cannot touch man-woman all that jazz, as if our generation abides by that anymore. Most of my Muslim friends drink and smoke ... why should going to the US make that any different?
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okay now THAT is ignorant, there are many malaysian muslims who do abide by those rules. if you know malaysian muslims(well, practically malays) culture well enough then you'd know what you said was blatant generalization. Just because you know a couple of people who don't doesn't mean it represents everyone.

you don't seem to see it from their side, some people find other things more difficult than other people do.


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post Apr 11 2011, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Apr 11 2011, 12:55 AM)
well first of all, I agreed with rokai when he called me out on generalizing based on a small sampling so I don't know why you're still biting my head off - maybe because you can't read. What I'm saying is not only based off what my friends do but also what I see other people do. I agree with you that there are still those that are devout, also what I said in my response to rokai, and I respect them highly.

A lot of Malaysians claim to be open-minded and accepting, yet shun MY ways of thinking and call me white-washed.
thank you very much.
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Or maybe it's because he replied while i was still typing? thanks for the assumption though.



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