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Seiryu
post Apr 12 2011, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Apr 9 2011, 03:57 AM)
you'll disgust me if you do. you pay thousands, millions of ringgit to fly overseas to hang out with malaysians. you wanna do that you stay in malaysia... wasting money.
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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Apr 10 2011, 05:22 AM)
why does feeling disgust for such people mean I'm white-washed? As it is, a lot of Malaysians like to say they studied overseas ... but all their friends are Malaysian. Why did you go overseas then? Where are your multi-cultural, multi-racial friends that aren't Malaysian?
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People study in America to appreciate the high standard of education offered in the respective universities, either by learning from ivy league graduate professors, indulge in cross national discussion about world politics, using state of the art equipments, or involving themselves in real life projects with established American Companies like Facebook, Google, and GM.

Mixing with American to "learn their culture", while important, is a secondary thing.

By failing to see the difference between American education and the education back in Malaysia, you have failed to appreciate the high quality universities education in United States. You, my dear, are the one who is wasting money studying in the United States and you are the one who is better off studying in local universities.

Seriously, you keep poking the "Malaysian groups", accusing them of not learning the American culture by sticking to their own groups. Enlighten me, what have you learned about American culture, that is so special and unique, that those who "stick to their own groups" cannot learn?

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post Apr 12 2011, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Apr 12 2011, 10:53 AM)
That parts really applies only to a very small fraction of colleges in US which have foreign students in it. And even in very good schools who have some or all of those, only a small number of students make use of these academic opportunities. I've been in a class with less than 30 people and they don't even know the lecturer's name. So I think immersion into the culture is as important as realizing one's academic goals. Even research professors know that academia is only half the story. I really don't see how it's secondary. American Education is only 'high quality' if one makes use of all the resources and making use of the resources is inseparable from building relationships with Americans. You don't learn much by just sitting in the lecture, you learn by meeting personally with he lecturer, discussing your ideas, involving yourself with research where you inevitably need to work harmoniously with others. How do you have a good discussion about politics and other social issue without getting to know American culture and how there viewpoints are shaped? By relying on sociology and anthropology textbooks about America? No one gets to use any state of the art equipment unless you're close to a professor. Otherwise you're just using normal equipment that can be found everywhere else. Google doesn't come to campus to give people a project they can do at home on their couch, they hold events, competitions and internships where you'll really need to interact and make friends with the people around you, who are mostly going to be Americans. The culture part is inseparable.

spunkberry may be harsh sometimes, but she's not poking "Malaysian groups", her point is going there and setting up a closed Malaysian village is a not something desirable. There's nothing so special about American culture, it's just their culture, something different, a different way of life people ascribe themselves too. A way of life that shapes their perspective of the world.  A way of life that has produced a great nation. Do you think all their achievements today came from simply being in a land that became to be known as America? Their culture did produce some grad dreams and their culture pushed them into making those dreams a reality. That success made them what they are today. It's ingrained into their culture. There's good and bad to it, some with out Malaysian culture. Knowledge can be found in any book, but culture is what pushes the society forward. In business all depend on the culture of the company to keep its employees as a cohesive whole. We can stop being to grand and mighty about our culture. It has it good and bad. It has brought it alot of peace and very much less violence compared to many places in the world. But our economy can do much better, we can become a stronger political power and out culture is lacking in those drives. So we learn and bring back difference aspect of foreign culture that is beneficial to the field we are in. Alone it's a very small piece, but a whole of all the Malaysia who study overseas and bring back their small bit, it can create a big effect. Look at Japan, from being a totally closed country, it open up to various foreign culture that it saw was beneficial to them and adapted they way of life. Yet they still remain distinctively Japanese. We don't have to lose out identity by assimilating with Americans for a few years. Being friends with all the Malaysians you can find on campus is a totally different thing with forming a closed group with only Malaysia and being so timid about venturing out. There's a difference between having 100 best friends who are Malaysian and having only 100 friends who are all Malaysia. It's not about putting whites or blacks about anyone, it's about including them in our circle of friends.

If the greatness of American education is attending lectures, taking test and staining some bacteria red and basking in the great things one's university has but never participated in, then it's simply no different from reading a textbook quietly in one's room. Does listening to a Harvard professor and then using the latest DNA spectrometry machine automatically make a person do great things in the future?
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I'm sorry your post is too wordy. Could you briefly summarize your response to my question:

"what have you learned about American culture, that is so special and unique, that those who "stick to their own groups" cannot learn?"

Also, it seems that you agree with this point:

If Malaysians are utilizing all the resources in the universities (including BUT NOT LIMITED TO getting to know professors, who are not all Americans), then even if they were to only mix with their own peers, they can learn a great deal about American culture and bring back necessary knowledge back to the country. So they are not "wasting their money" studying in America by only mixing with their own peers, as claimed by spunkberry.

This post has been edited by Seiryu: Apr 12 2011, 12:20 PM
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post Apr 12 2011, 12:51 PM

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no offense, spunkberry. good discussion.
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post Apr 13 2011, 01:35 AM

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Well it's not that I didn't bother to read her post. It's just that in arguments, it's a courtesy to express your thoughts in the most concise possible way, so that the people on the other side (i.e. me) can take in your points with little to no confusion, and then give appropriate response. It's a form of respect to both people disagreeing with you and general readers (if argument is in written form), and one of the basic rules of establishing fruitful discussions.

Lengthy, wordy arguments with little structure risks confusing people more than trying to state a point. If I were to respond to that lengthy post, I risk not understanding her major points, and establish bigger confusions! So that's why I requested a summary to my question.

Back to the topic. With all due respect, although what you learn from mixing with American friends is valuable, it doesn't show how by not mixing with the Americans, Malaysians lose out a hell lot. Pronunciation is not a problem, many Malaysians who speak Malaysian English end up getting jobs in the U.S. (and there are cases where Malaysians who speak American English could not find a job in the U.S.) Discrimination, well, the sample of friends that you mix with is probably too small to represent the views of the whole American population anyway.

I think it's time we end this discussion. We can agree to disagree on this issue. We don't seem to have new insights to talk about.

This post has been edited by Seiryu: Apr 13 2011, 01:44 AM

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