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dreamer101
post Apr 17 2011, 04:51 AM

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QUOTE(jackietingyu5 @ Apr 17 2011, 03:29 AM)
yup jst like u said.anyway I am learning^^becoz i am a student,everyday i learn new thing. does this make me think outside the box yes?^^ becoz u said so^^.i add in another thing into my box.
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jackietingyu5,

The SHORT ANSWER is I do not know whether you think OUTSIDE your box. How big is YOUR BOX??

For example, there are MANY WAYS to THINK?? And, you may only use one way. Until you are using a different way to think, you are still in the BOX.

If you are [B]REALLY INTERESTED
in this subject area, read everything written by Roger Schank. He had spent 30+ years studying learning, thinking, and intelligence.. In the process, he founded the institute of learning science..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Schank

http://www.rogerschank.com/

For what I read so far from Roger Schank, the BEST telling sign of whether you are THINKING outside of BOX is whether you are willing to LOOK STUPID.

For example, so far, nobody has asked VERY STUPID QUESTIONS.

What if THINKING has nothing to do with MIND and BRAIN at all??

What is THINKING??

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post Apr 17 2011, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 17 2011, 04:12 AM)
biggrin.gif  I sorry, didn't realize you are so young. What is your answer to chicken or egg?

I cannot brain your question "let's say now,we dont know how to make telescope,and we want to how does universe look like?", "let's build something that can fly us to the moon." Why go to the moon to see how universe look like?  rclxub.gif

Learning new things is not thinking outside the box, a student in school is in the box prior to the real world, until you begin to fend for yourself, you know nothing about working, so you can only say you know about occupation but you cannot say you understand, thinking is to analyze the problem and concoct possible solutions from various factors.

Just because you can practice masturbation does not mean you are good in sexual intercourse, why? Wait until you got married lah, cannot rush mah. Think outside like fantasize is not the same as touching the real person.
Why I become an artist? Because I like to draw and failed all subjects except English & Art. So no choice loh but what does that has to to with the box? Do you know what is talent? Why is it a gift?

Include what possibilities? Your question don't make sense, it is because you are not using your ability to forge proper communication, I have been young before but you cannot say you've been old before, so I am talking to you from a bigger box and there are many sizes.

what u said,it is just like, u think u understand but actually u dont.
If you feel agitated and echo what was said to you means you are reacting from your emotion because you can't differentiate knowing & understanding. In simpler term; Someone say f u and you reply the same, does it answer your question? I remember slapping myself many times acting exactly like you many moons ago, you'll get over it when you grow up.
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oh^^ i see.


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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 17 2011, 04:51 AM)
jackietingyu5,

The SHORT ANSWER is I do not know whether you think OUTSIDE your box.  How big is YOUR BOX??

For example, there are MANY WAYS to THINK?? And, you may only use one way.  Until you are using a different way to think, you are still in the BOX.

If you are REALLY INTERESTED in this subject area, read everything written by Roger Schank.  He had spent 30+ years studying learning, thinking, and intelligence.. In the process, he founded the institute of learning science..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Schank

http://www.rogerschank.com/

For what I read so far from Roger Schank, the BEST telling sign of whether you are THINKING outside of BOX is whether you are willing to LOOK STUPID.

For example, so far, nobody has asked VERY STUPID QUESTIONS.

What if THINKING has nothing to do with MIND and BRAIN at all??

What is THINKING??

Dreamer
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thanks.Tht make sense.

This post has been edited by jackietingyu5: Apr 17 2011, 01:25 PM
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post Apr 17 2011, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 17 2011, 04:51 AM)

For example, so far, nobody has asked VERY STUPID QUESTIONS.

What if THINKING has nothing to do with MIND and BRAIN at all??

What is THINKING??

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Err... mostly stupid questions are just stupid, trying to harness one brilliant idea from a pool of nonsense is a waste of energy and time. Human no longer stumble on things that has not been done before but bunch of things that people not willing to do.

What is THINKING??
The act of thinking is to daydream, fantasize in controlled manner while awake and disconnect from physical reality into the realm of no boundaries except religious and taboo, concoct using all recorded information in the brain and act like GOD but limited by knowledge & experience aka the BOX.

Think outside the box simply means try to think from other people's point of view rather than personal preference, it only tell us to stop being ourselves maybe act stupid can loosen up stubborn brain. thumbup.gif



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post Apr 18 2011, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 17 2011, 03:47 PM)

What is THINKING??
The act of thinking is to daydream, fantasize in controlled manner while awake and disconnect from physical reality into the realm of no boundaries except religious and taboo, concoct using all recorded information in the brain and act like GOD but limited by knowledge & experience aka the BOX.

Think outside the box simply means try to think from other people's point of view rather than personal preference, it only tell us to stop being ourselves maybe act stupid can loosen up stubborn brain.  thumbup.gif
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3dassets,

Being an engineer, to KNOW something is to be able to engineer and create it.

Roger Schank had worked on this for 30+ years. I read about THINKING and LEARNING for 10 to 20 years. To the best of my knowledge, I have NO IDEA what THINKING is. Every time that someone come out an idea what THINKING is, scientists and engineers have been able to find something else that is outside of that boundary. This applies to INTELLIGENCE too. We had many many forms of THINKINGS and INTELLIGENCES. And, we are discovering more everyday...

<< Think outside the box simply means try to think from other people's point of view rather than personal preference, it only tell us to stop being ourselves maybe act stupid can loosen up stubborn brain. thumbup.gif>>

Actually, I am more inline with your first assertion. It is QUITE IMPOSSIBLE to think outside of box by looking at other people's point of view.

Let's take this topic as an example.

This topic is based on the assumption of

A) We know what THINKING is.

B) We know that Brain / Mind is the one that is doing the THINKING.

(A) and (B) is the BOX. Until a person ATTACK and ABANDON (A) and (B), the person is in the BOX. Looking from other people's POV that still believe (A) and (B) does not help a person to step out of the box. A person has to step out of the BOX first aka accept the possibility that (A) and (B) could be wrong...

In order to step out of the BOX, a person needs to know what the BOX is. In this topic, it is (A) and (B). Perhaps a lot more...

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We have to accept the best possible answer at the time until there are other explanation, before we know more, we live with knowing little and as you said, willing to look stupid to know how it feels that may invoke creative thinking.

A) Thinking is the act of controlled daydream, the eyes is open but some tasks is not primary and you drive home not remember the journey. I remember pay money for patrol at the counter but forgot to pump fuel and drove off.

B) The brain is just the organ and we can ignore its presence, where the mind is created. A lifetime recording organ that identify us as who we are individually and our personality change according to what we learn and encounter.

Human is unique because of intelligence, music is composed inside the brain before an orchestra, stone can be carved into sculpture and scientists concoct experiment before it is tested like atomic reaction, sent man to the moon and back to earth...
In other words, think beyond restriction (the box) is to exercise intelligence, everything around us are made from processes, from carpentry into injection moulding, CRD to plasma display in such short time make the ordinary people look like Pluto.

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post Apr 18 2011, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 18 2011, 04:15 AM)
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<< We have to accept the best possible answer at the time until there are other explanation, before we know more, we live with knowing little and as you said, willing to look stupid to know how it feels that may invoke creative thinking.>>

1) I am engineer. I am pushing the boundary. Accept the best possible answer may not good be enough...

2) I am a tier 4 support engineer. I have to solve problems that we know little about. In many cases, it is not knowable. Being creative problem solver and thinker is part of the job.

<<Human is unique because of intelligence, >>

3) I do not subscribe to that idea. Human are just a form of animal like any other animal. Something are better and something are worst. There is nothing unique or special about human being. We are just more capable than any other animals to make ourselves miserable...

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1,2) Some engineer invent but most are service provider, astronauts have to die for the good enough reason to investigate shows no perfection, only temporary solution and the unsinkable Titanic sunk.

3) Here is the difference between unique and ordinary, people share the same physiology but one think he can do better and become efficient while others think we are all the same and say he is talented, while it is just discipline all along, who or what trigger the intention is in the growing up process. Living process made us who we are today, a social product and we can’t be fully prepared to live a life, hence, fall into misery and get into troubles, every man want sex even thought cannot provide, social standard made us practice control otherwise uncivilized.

Animal live life as it is, some have obvious defense mechanism even plant develop thorn and poison to deter from eaten. How do they know animal will eat them while they don’t have brain? Why they don’t want to serve the living cycle? Ordinary grass grow faster than animal can divulge and feces provide the exchange.

The answer is, living things rely on instinct alone only human can think hence, we are unique being the only kind and no in between.
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1) mind control brain or brain control mind?
2) soul control mind then control brain, or brain control soul? or mutual?
3) our brain size & weight can measure, but inside the brain (mind) is infinity space or universal.

Don't quite get the question. But the soul is the strongest because it has a strong will (e.g., justice, love, mercy, etc)

4) why some ppl can predict or receive some unknow information?

They are just inspirations coming through from the spiritual world.. It's like a radio receiving radio signals from its intenna

5) Dream. "layer dream" i believe many ppl also experince it before, but some dream like "future dream" do u experince it? (example: u dream u r in place & talk with ppl u dun know, then u wakeup, u just figure it a normal dream. after 1 year, u go to the place talk to the same person, then u start realise all this happen in your dream before.)

This is called Déjà vu. I saw a English girl in my dream who I had never met before and then met her in the shopping the next day blink.gif

7) from brain to mind, from mind to space, from space to soul......(what the next)

Physical Body --> Physical Mind/Soul --> Spiritual Brain/Mind/Soul --> Spirit's body --> Spiritual Spirits (God, angels, etc)

8) life end up after the body form stop/die. is that the space/mind inside go to other place or transfer?

Your spirit will live in the spiritual world in a specific place designated for you depending on the things you have done smile.gif

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QUOTE(Angela Lee @ Apr 26 2011, 09:01 PM)
1) mind control brain or brain control mind?
*A baby’s brain only consist of natural instinct, no mind.
2) soul control mind then control brain, or brain control soul? or mutual?
*Soul is a superficial character created in the mind, it is just conscience, the mind controls everything.
3) our brain size & weight can measure, but inside the brain (mind) is infinity space or universal.
Don't quite get the question. But the soul is the strongest because it has a strong will (e.g., justice, love, mercy, etc)
*The size of the brain limit the mind, it feels like infinity because we are not using it fully, hence, it can record for one lifetime but also forget the least important and deteriorate when aged.

4) why some ppl can predict or receive some unknow information?
They are just inspirations coming through from the spiritual world.. It's like a radio receiving radio signals from its intenna
*Prediction is not science and argumentative because no way to examine, similar to spirit or other dimensions if it exist for what ever reason. If the world end in 2012, then perhaps it does but if not, people just proof to fool themselves.

5) Dream. "layer dream" i believe many ppl also experince it before, but some dream like "future dream" do u experince it? (example: u dream u r in place & talk with ppl u dun know, then u wakeup, u just figure it a normal dream. after 1 year, u go to the place talk to the same person, then u start realise all this happen in your dream before.)
*Yes, that has happen to me and I wonder what is the purpose or what cause the leap of time or things happen in the mind can be real, my rational explanation is; we are puppets like video game characters, not remote control but receive influence via dreams and act on those influence but the result is not exactly according to instruction because that is the nature of DESCENDENT game, the next level is not fixed and the goal is to survive until self destruct or found the truth of what we are and found god / creator / player.
Natural law is a biological program and every living thing is pre-programmed with basic instinct in the gene we know as DNA. Talent in all discipline is given to either selected or all but only those who realize and practice them will invent, create and develop into technology.


This is called Déjà vu. I saw a English girl in my dream who I had never met before and then met her in the shopping the next day
* Déjà vu may be the nearest evidence of the “influence” we receive from dreams, fragments of it that still linger but meant to forget when we wake up. Well, a flaw of the “grand design”, may be the Mayan managed to document it but it can change.

7) from brain to mind, from mind to space, from space to soul......(what the next)
*The brain is the house of the mind and the Universe “space" is infinity so that we don’t see the seam, next is game over.
Physical Body --> Physical Mind/Soul --> Spiritual Brain/Mind/Soul --> Spirit's body --> Spiritual Spirits (God, angels, etc)
*Mind succeed into soul after death and spirit / angel / ghost / demon if exist is not physical entity, they may be the keeper / referee to help / guide the selected few or to instill conflicts just to make life challenging / complicated / miserable / fulfilling.

8) life end up after the body form stop/die. is that the space/mind inside go to other place or transfer? Your spirit will live in the spiritual world in a specific place designated for you depending on the things you have done 

*I say our soul are reassigned to assume the role of angel / spirit / ghost / demon and provide assistance or challenge the course of the DESCENDENT game to perform Karma and punish or redeem justice, reincarnate to complete unfinished agenda providing essential substance to propel creativity, otherwise what is the need to innovate and invent if food shelter no longer an issue?
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