pardon me, does it mean you will keep ALL commandments including Leviticus?

why only the 10 commandments? who told you that you dont have to follow Leviticus?

the rest, please let OlgaC4 answer it. thx

are you sure your bible knowledge is not strong? i see you arguing on biblical contexts like a pro. now you're telling me you dont know?

besides, you made a theological claim, least you could do is justify it right? not just say you dont know after making a claim.

That equates to blasphemy and bearing false testimony and false prophecy.

This post has been edited by mobileapps: Oct 15 2012, 10:57 PM

Well, with regards to the Law, i have this:
Spiritual law, Civil Law, and Moral Law.
all laws are fulfilled.
civil laws applies on specific group of people.
spiritual and moral applies all.
Christ fulfilled all laws for righteousness.
Though we are not bound by it, we do obey it through our hearts, following Christ. Not from reading line of texts of what to do and not to do. We will know what to do eventually, for the holy spirit guides us.

1 John 5:7
(KJV)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

They are all the same. Spiritual law, moral law, civil law. In which the 10 commandments are of spiritual and moral law.

and as in all laws, NO ONE can fulfill all of them. NONE.

So regardless of what law you want to cherry pick, nobody can follow it completely. And even following it closely, it will not break us free from the bondage of sin either.
God is that strict. If you want to follow God's Laws, you will fail.


Christ only taught us two spiritual laws:

Matthew 22:36-40

36. "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37.Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
38. This is the first and greatest commandment.
39. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

That is to love God first, then our neighbours (or fellow earthlings).


Friend, this is a thread for fellow believers, new comers, old timers, etc to fellowship, learn from one another, and grow spiritually in the Lord, yes?

Why so condescending towards another fellow member?

Will you be led astray?

So you're keeping all the commandments, not just the 10? Including animal sacrifices and such?

If Christ has fulfilled the laws, then we are no longer under bondage by the Law.
If we're no longer under bondage by the Law, then are we compelled to follow it physcially?
Or, we do as what we are compelled by the Spirit to do, hence the Law is already in our hearts and soul and mind, not reading scripts after scripts of textual Laws and observing the rites and rituals, yes?

Not following the 10 commandments, does it mean we no longer are bound by the textual Laws as per se, but through grace we will know what to do from our conscience through the Spirit's guidance, or do you perceive it as complete rejection (ie doing the opposite?) I am of the former, where the Spirit shall guide me through my conscience and press upon my heart to know if my action/inaction is righteous or not. As such, I no longer need the 10 commandments nor the Law, for the Spirit shall guide me to righteous path by the grace of God. Yes?

How then do you observe the Sabbath?

You should be solidly grounded in the Word then

I believe you and him means the same thing, just differently worded.

You do observe the Law in spirit and in truth, likewise for unknown warrior.

Ain't you guys doing the same thing?

For those who claim to follow the 10 commandments like olga,

i would like to know HOW he observes the Sabbath. Because this commandment links back to the Mosaic law on sabbath. How does he correlates it?

Bro, i have one more question to ask.

If Christ fulfilled all the Laws on the cross, why is it that you say the Spirit tells you only to follow the 10 commandments?
What about all the other laws for righteousness?

I dont mean by textual adherence of the Laws. I mean from the Cross, the Spirit will impress into our soul, heart and mind all of God's Laws.
But why just the 10?

thanks

I thought you did. Because i remembered asking about adherence to the Laws, you said the Holy Spirit tells you to follow the 10 commandments.

Does this mean you follow it based on the textual codex of the 10?

From what i understand from unknown warrior, he says the 10 commandments, together with all other laws for righteousness, are not written off (ie no need to follow), but it is ingrained into us via the Spirit. His meaning is that our salvation is not based on adherence to the Law, but on grace.

The law is to make us aware. And from grace, comes salvation. From salvation, we observe the laws based on what the Spirit guides us. We no longer have to follow word by word from the old testament (ie rites & rituals) but through the Spirit we know what's right and wrong. This also means that our observation of the Sabbath (from the 10 commandments) is not according to the Jewish sabbath but from God's purpose for us, which is to rest and meditate on His Word. The date of Sabbath also becomes irrelevant.

So basically, you and unknown warrior, shares the same idea (if you concur the above).
Otherwise, you're guilty of non observing the Jewish Sabbath (on a sat based on the Gregorian calendar) in the 10 commandments.

Bottom line is, observing the 10, or all the Mosaic Laws, do not grant you salvation nor make you righteous.
Its through grace. And from grace, you are then compelled to observe it.

Thats why even back then, gentiles (non Jews) too can be accepted as believers even when they do not observe the Jewish Laws. Because they are not under the Law, God judge them according to their heart. Likewise, we too are no longer under the Law. Christ has fullfilled the requirements for righteousness.

The gist of the LAW is for us to see, no matter how much we follow, we still cannot be perfect and righteous, because no one can follow ALL. None are perfect.

So why focus so much on observing the law? Focus on God instead.

Sabbath becomes irrelevant because our heart becomes the temple of God.
So you are saying commandment #8 is irrelevant?

Is observing the Sabbath still relevant to you?

If no, then is God shooting His own feet?




This post has been edited by mobileapps: Oct 19 2012, 02:28 PM

I wonder if we should meetup for a lowyat christian gathering?

have coffee, and maybe prayer for each other.

this must be the only thread in lowyat that runs for so many pages.

Praise the Lord!



This is a nice song, for Malaysia by Jaclyn Victor

but some minority group wanna cause trouble
http://www.dailychilli.com/happenings/1935...christian-album

Lets pray for God's divine power over obstacles such as that NGO. Bind the power of satan over Malaysia and rebuild it as a nation of righteous people

Enjoy your holidays people

34million. while still many mouths goes hungry.

is this even necessary? i bet your pastors drive mercs/mpvs.

building a church is nothing wrong

spending on unecessary things is.

i've seen how mega churches boasts having alot of money. beautifying their church with sophisticated PA systems, entertainment systems, sports halls, ball rooms, etc etc.

but when it comes to donating money to orang asli, the poor, the destitutes, etc..all end up being a scrooge. ask for donating PCs for some classes for foreign workers, all end up dumping junk PCs like P166, win98, etc. Ask for more money to buy better computers so can teach them with relevant skills (as part of the curicullar activities), all say no money. but then all drive big cars, buy iphones, samsung, ipads, etc showing off.

hypocrites.

34mil for church building? come on.

Fund management? I'll scream at those who think thrice in donating to the poor and the needy while they continue living in life of luxury.

hypocrites. most of them are snobs and clicks to their own rich kind. heaven have no place for these people.