and I forgot to add:
No one said Mary not needed Jesus for her salvation
Mary herself said, ‘My soul rejoices in God my savior’ in Luke 1:47. She clearly understood herself to be a sinner if she admits to needing a savior.
She was given the grace to be "saved" completely from sin so that she never committed even the slightest transgression.

But what about "all have sinned" (Rom. 3:23) and "if any man says he has no sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 1:8)? Wouldn’t "all" and "any man" include Mary? On the surface, this sounds reasonable. But this way of thinking carried to its logical conclusion would list Jesus Christ in the company of sinners as well. No faithful Christian would dare say that. Yet no Christian can deny the plain texts of Scripture declaring Christ’s full humanity either. Thus, to take 1 John 1:8 in a strict, literal sense would apply "any man" to Jesus as well.

The truth is Jesus Christ was an exception to Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:8. And the Bible tells us he was in Hebrews 4:15: "Christ was tempted in all points even as we are and yet he was without sin." The question now is: Are there any other exceptions to this rule? Yes—millions of them.

Both Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:9 deal with personal rather than original sin. (Romans 5 deals with original sin.) And there are two exceptions to that general biblical norm as well.

To understand it again, let us look at it
Original sin is not something we do; it is something we’ve inherited.
Romans chapter three deals with personal sin because it speaks of sins committed by the sinner.
With this in mind, consider this: Has a baby in the womb or a child of two ever committed a personal sin? No.
To sin a person has to know the act he is about to perform is sinful while freely engaging his will in carrying it out.
Without the proper faculties to enable them to sin, children before the age of accountability and anyone who does not have the use of his intellect and will cannot sin.

So, there are and have been millions of exceptions to Romans 3:23 and 1 John 1:8.

Still, how do we know Mary is an exception to the norm of "all have sinned?" And more specifically, is there biblical support for this claim? Yes, there is much biblical support.

I gave them in the previous posts.

that post itself has subsequent explanation which I quoted.

the Mother of God

even though she is not divine, like the divine DIVINE Triune God:

A woman is a man’s mother either if she carried him in her womb or if she was the woman contributing half of his genetic matter or both.
Mary was the mother of Jesus in both of these senses; because she not only carried Jesus in her womb but also supplied all of the genetic matter for his human body, since it was through her—not Joseph—that Jesus "was descended from David according to the flesh" (Rom. 1:3).

Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.
There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the time of Christ.

Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither.
Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God "in the flesh" (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)—and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ.

To avoid this conclusion, Fundamentalists often assert that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature.
This assertion reinvents a heresy from the fifth century known as Nestorianism, which runs aground on the fact that a mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb.
Rather, she carries the person of her child. Women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

The Nestorian claim that Mary did not give birth to the unified person of Jesus Christ attempts to separate Christ’s human nature from his divine nature, creating two separate and distinctpersons—one divine and one human—united in a loose affiliation.
It is therefore a Christological heresy, which even the Protestant Reformers recognized. Both Martin Luther and John Calvin insisted on Mary’s divine maternity.
In fact, it even appears that Nestorius himself may not have believed the heresy named after him. Further, the "Nestorian" church has now signed a joint declaration on Christology with the Catholic Church and recognizes Mary’s divine maternity, just as other Christians do.

Since denying that Mary is God’s mother implies doubt about Jesus’ divinity, it is clear why Christians (until recent times) have been unanimous in proclaiming Mary as Mother of God.

The Church Fathers, of course, agreed, and the following passages witness to their lively recognition of the sacred truth and great gift of divine maternity that was bestowed upon Mary, the humble handmaid of the Lord.
anyway, I think thats enough? Because bro, like I said, we will find out when we enter Heaven. 

No one said baby is pure. we humans are inclined to sin, be it baby or adult because of Adam and Eve. so Neg, cannot be applied to babies sins. They have not committed, whereas humans unknowingly commit sins (Venial Sin) and knowingly (Mortal Sin) Mary has to be free from Original Sin in order to carry the Word Incarnate. End of.

Exceptions of Romans 3: as I mentioned, can be referred to Mary too.
But if you insist everything is only about Christ Christ Christ, so be it.

The Bible is deep, beautiful and full of meaning and essence, Christ is the centre figure, love as a whole book, and marriage to God in mind. But to me bro, I do not want to dispute, I like it better when I look at whole, including the wine and branches within Christ, all minor details.

no more bro,    Bec I pray you, theological discussions ..   

have a good rest!

Mary has to be free from Original Sin in order to carry the Word Incarnate. End of.

For the Church, Its based on this:

In Matthew 16:19 Jesus gives this authority over his Church to Peter: "Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven."

In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: "Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven."

I also must remind you that the Church cannot change its doctrines no matter how badly some theologians may want it to or how loudly they claim it can. The doctrines of the Catholic Church are the deposit of faith revealed by Jesus Christ, taught by the apostles, and handed down in their entirety by the apostles to their successors. Since revealed truth cannot change, and since the deposit of faith is comprised of revealed truth, expressed in Scripture and Sacred Tradition, the deposit of faith cannot change.

in RCC, every priest has the authority of Christ to "loose" (absolve) penitents from their sins through the sacrament of confession in the name of Christ (Jn 20:21-22, 2 Cor 5:18-20). The priest also has the obligation, in rare cases when he sees no evidence of contrition or an unwillingness on the part of the penitent to stop committing sin, to "bind" someone in their sins by refusing to grant him absolution until he evinces genuine contrition.

This teaching is based on the promise Christ gave to His Church in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit would “guide you to all truth.”
This singling out of Peter to bestow on him an authority which is later to be given to all the apostles shows Peter's preeminence within the apostolic college. What the apostles as a whole possessed as leaders of the Church, Peter possessed as an individual.
The New Testament also says that The Church is the pillar and bulwark of Truth, not  scripture alone  (1Timothy 3:15). 
Paul says to hold fast to the Traditions he taught, either in writing or by word of mouth (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

the Pope’s primary mission is one of service to the people of God, to uphold the oneness of Christ’s Church.
It does not mean that the Pope is perfect. It also does not mean that the Pope knows everything.
Instead, “infallibility” only applies when the Pope speaks about solemn, official teachings on faith and morals.



in this, can comes many attacks from other ppl. But to me really, I see a beautiful thing:

Apostles Creed jointly created by the Apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, with each of the twelve contributing one of the articles, was already current at that time.

The earlier text evolved from simpler texts based on Matthew 28:19

When we say weekly in Mass: I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church for the Creed Profession of Faith

It means, we believe in Universal Church. Catholic means Universal.

Therefore throughout the world, everyday, every mass, everywhere, the RCC have the same readings , gospels, but sermons are by priests themselves to comment on the readings. In it I find universalism, uniformity, and it does not break. Thats me.

Doesnt matter la. We are all God's Children. You said so. 

Bec u dont seem to get my earlier post on this part, I did some cut and paste over. 
But what I want to say is akin the baby situation to Mary in context of exception from Romans 3 as it deals with personal sin.

and that part on Romans 3 FYI: is answered by a RCC-turned baptist-back to RCC theologian.

ok, u can present your part no prob, I have to understand why things are always such from  your point of view 

No one said baby is pure. we humans are inclined to sin, be it baby or adult because of Adam and Eve.

so Neg, cannot be applied to babies sins. They have not committed,

But if you insist everything is only about Christ Christ Christ, so be it.

Doesnt matter la. We are all God's Children. You said so. 

I mentioned it, the early Church Founders concluded it, the Councils , and now, the Doctrine of Congregation of Faith lead by Cardinal *I dont know who* of one of the ministry in Vatican.
What they conclude, however cannot change the Scripture which is the truth, only to bring us deeper to the Truth.

Depositum fidei - deposition of faith that is to be preserved.

Revelation of God is perfect and complete with the gospels and Jesus Christ. The private revelations received by visionaries cannot improve on Gospels and no one is obliged to believe in them. But since Holy Spirit leads us deeper to the truth, they can help us understand the gospel better.

For RCCs, Their authenticity however, is to be tested by the church. Uniformity. unlike Jehovah or Mormons, Oh today is this, oh tomorrow is that.

where got? Babies are not to be applied personal sin, but Original sin. I did not get it wrong.

True, you said it yourself. that lost all and gain Christ and be found in him - THIS
Its just we are seeing diamonds at different angles, to me I consider the body of Christ, which is the Church, which includes u me bros n sis alike, constituting His body, including saints, angels. I do not see anything wrong in it. I just like to classify and subclassify a general thing. All minor details

i.e if u say this person has diabetes, to me I would want to know Diabetes type? 1?2? Diabetes stage? Compensation?Subcompensation?Decompensation? With complications? if yes, what?

okok, no more. tired