Wah H4E will need to close this tered leh.

the guy off-line since Aug 2012

Well I need to PM Mod to close this thread.

If no one else object, I will open V6.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Olga when you say, try to keep a short record of sins, try to confessed immediately to be clean,

you're basically saying born again believers are still sinners we are never really clean unless it depends on our act to be clean.

Our Salvation is based on Jesus Work at the cross. Since when it depends on our work?

Yes this day I rest for many many hours.

Sabbath day is a day of rest.

When you honour Sabbath day, refrain from heavy stuff even serious discussion like Family problems, GF.BF problems, etc.

Keep the day mindful of God.

lol, remind me of Mind your language sitcom of the 80's.

Ah thank you brother, that's what I've been trying to tell Alvin.

Hi Jedi, I would like to encourage you to have 100% dependency on God.

I've never pray to any of the Saints but by God's grace He answered all of my prayers.

Everyday I am seeing God's grace and his miracles of deliverance.

Some are slow but surely some are immediate, some are over night, some are days but

the fact remain all request and petitions made known to God, He answers them.

And I hope your heart is open to this.

We are Also saints together with Peter, Paul, John, David, Moses, etc.

I respect the patriarch of God because they went through Life's ordeal and suffering for God beyond most ordinary people.

Their dedication to God is commendable and exemplary but you must remember this.

There are equally dedicated Martyrs of Christ in our generation and the past after The Apostles who give their lives the Middle East and dangerous countries who strongly oppose Christianity like Afghanistan.

They too have the status of saints.

And God is the respector of no one.

If by what I practised works, It will apply to you as well.








This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 2 2012, 07:59 PM

Bro, It's never my wisdom because all wisdom and truth comes from God's Holy Spirit and whenever I say something, I always encourage people to search it and read it in the Bible. What you may find reasonable may not be the truth in the Bible. This is the danger of human reasoning versus scriptural truth IMO.

Well, if only I can convince you can look away from praying to anyone except God, you will be the one who benefit the most. I believe it saddens God when anyone lacks the Faith to reach out to him in prayer. And it pleases God (I believe extremely) when one has Faith in Him alone and I believe miracles will happen when that happens.

Baptism of water is an "outward" public confession for the testimony and benefit of other people to show that you have put away your old life and is now baptised unto Life in Christ.

I don't believe it can save neither can it wash away your sins. Only the blood of Jesus is able to wash away your sins and your Faith in Him as your saviour is your ticket to Heaven. If Baptism of water is crucial to our Salvation, consider the dying thief who gain entry to paradise without any baptism by water or laying of hands nor any works done for his life.

He was hung at the cross beside Jesus without the chance to take a lifetime journey of salvation to be refine as gold as you claim it. (I'm sure he would like to if given the chance but you know he's kind "stuck") Do you know why He was granted Salvation? It wasn't because He was special or God gave him an exception. No. He recognised Jesus as the messiah and had Faith in Him and He repented (Luke 23:40-41). And the best part is Jesus hasn't risen yet on the 3rd day.

So Faith is always the answer to our Salvation.

All the scripture verse you quoted are based on the endurance of Faith, not of works.

Refiner's fire to refine our Faith in God. The Bible says in

Hebrews 10:38 (NIV)
But my righteous one will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him."

Hebrews 11:6 (NIV)
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

When you understand these 2 foundational verses, you can read in context of Faith to other scripture verses.

The same can be said to those who quote this as counter argument,

Matthew 7:21 (NIV)
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

I've asked God about this before sometime ago and here is the revelation.

The will of the Father is found in Hebrews 10:38 & 11:6 in this context.

Do you know why God says I never knew you?

Of course the context is talking about false prophets but the underlying problem is this.

These are the people who think it's is their good work and obedience to the law (doing the work of God) that gain them entry to Heaven. That is why they say, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?

If you see carefully, these works are great works of the kingdom of God. To prophecy, to cast out demons and to perform miracles.

It is a generally accepted idea that only high ranking priest, bishop or pastors is able to do this, though it's not true. Jesus was referring that scripture verse against the pharisee but the underlying problem still applies to everyone else who thinks the same.

They recognised and depended on their self-works as more assuring than the grace of God that grants them entry. They have no faith that God is that good and Salvation is a free gift indeed. They lack the faith that it is Jesus's atonement alone that qualify them. It speaks of self righteousness. They are trying to gain entry via the Old Covenant Law. So I believe in this verse, anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus finished work, Jesus will not acknowledge that person, hence I never knew you.

And as Far as I understand God, God hates self righteousness. That is why God gave the 10 commandments for us to understand that.

I have much to say but I will close with this.

You are already clean. Your sins are already removed as far is the east to the west. All this is possible is because of Jesus.

When you quote this



You're like olga in essence saying, born again believers are still sinners. (rusted metal) aka We are still dirty and need to be cleaned before fit to enter.



It means you do not believe Jesus has remove all your past current and future sins.

Dear dear Friend,

When Jesus removed our sins, we are all fit to enter Heaven. There is no such thing as we are just " seemingly" clean but need to be worked out so that we fit. That is the problem with human reasoning. We are trying to add something that is not there in the Bible. We just have to believe it, not reason with it.


I will close with this verse for you to understand.

Colossians 1: 21-23 (NIV)
Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because off your evil behaviour. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

See that word? If you continue in your faith. It didn't say if you continue in your works, obedience, <insert whatever>.

You ARE already holy, without blemish and free from accusation, therefore you QUALIFY to enter heaven because of Jesus!

And the question to ask is, who does all this work? We? we need to carry the burden of salvation?

No.

Philippians 1:6 (NIV)
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1:8 (NIV)
He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now question, who is that "He"?

You? We?

Do you see the answer now? So rest easy and start resting and have Faith that it is God alone who save you. Not anything of yourself.

Don't panic that we have not done enough or need to do more to qualify.

If you live under the grace of God, sin will not have dominion over you, but under the law of God, it will.
Your life will be transformed when you understand grace.

Hope this helps you.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 3 2012, 02:48 AM

Praise God, happy for you mang.

Yes you say here, you do believe you're saved but yet at the same time from your post, in a contradicting statement you indicated you're not yet 100% saved maybe 70-80% (example only), aka hence need to be purge of impurities and you say Jesus will remove your sins when the fact of the matter is, He already has.

Brother, if you're saved, you're saved. There's no such thing as you're saved but need to be purified to be eligible to enter Heaven. It's contradicts.

The blood of Jesus has made you clean. Your works cannot. Neither can your obedience. I'm not suggesting a lifestyle of non-obedience either, there is a difference.

There's no such thing Jesus atonement only make you 90% clean and the rest of the 10% is up to your performance.

You would insult the very thing God did for all of us in his grace. Jesus work is a complete finish work.

And to say the "good" Thief rebuking is a work and therefore it gain Jesus favour? I didn't know a thief is a good thing and I've never heard rebuking people can gain you entry into heaven.



shalom.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 3 2012, 12:04 PM

Ah so you're a medical student. ok will pray for you.

I know what you're saying, just that I've not given you a proper answer, was holding back for this. This is not a new thing in the body of Christ.

But these people need as much help as they can in the ministry.

I just say they have weak Faith and weak understanding of the gospel. It's not that they are immoral and bad. (how can you blame? we're all sinners) They just do not understand their real identity in Christ.

The Bible makes it very clear God makes us sufficient as minister of the New Covenant of Grace. (2 Corinthians 3:6) There is no grace for those who preach the Law of God (OT) aka ministry of condemnation.

Our job as ministers of Christ is not to pound them with judgement neither enforce obedience when they lack understanding but to reveal the grace of God and his Love.

See, we are transform by the renewing of our mind. (Romans 12:2) Not by our doing. You can enforce obedience but people can still remain the same. It takes the Holy Spirit to change people (not by might nor power?). You can preach to a new convert, you must do this, you must obey, you must do that, etc. What you're doing in essence is trying to fit in the last jigsaw puzzle that won't fit when God has already complete the whole picture of Salvation. You'll be hitting against the wall because you contradict the Grace of God. When you go against what God has established, you will have problem in your ministry. (2 Corinthians 3:6)

A lot of people gets afraid when one preached abundance of grace because they think under God's grace, people will live a licentious lifestyle. This is what you're saying isn't it? (well, here it is again, lack of Faith in what God has ordained).

But that's not what the Bible says in

Romans 6:14 (ESV)
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Everything starts from the Mind and the Heart.

Right Believing will lead to right doing. Enforcing Right doing beforehand will not work in the long run because the person will be running in the strength of the flesh.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 3 2012, 06:56 PM

Eternal Redemption



Yes Indeed and praise God for this.

Never let anyone tell you, You don't know if you'll ever get to Heaven. I'm sad there are some preachings like this. They preach uncertainty. They preach, "you'll never know if you will get to Heaven because of prevailing sins". This type of sermons IMO are nothing but the devil's lies and deceit.

As Child of God, washed by the blood of Jesus, You are 100% Clean, unblemished, without sins and free from accusations. Heaven is assured and guaranteed.

You MUST believe it even though you don't feel like it. That is why God ordained the Righteous shall live by Faith NOT by feelings and emotions.

Do not let any Pastors or Deacon or Demon to ever condemn you because of your sins, you're not worthy. Those are Satanic lies.

There is no such thing for Christians, we have records of sins.

IN

Hebrews 8:12 (NIV), God says
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Ever since at the cross, there is no more record for born believers. Do you know why?

Because Jesus took all your Past, Current and Future sins into his body. When God forgives, He does not remember neither does He pull out your past mistakes to ridicule you.

Likewise we should practise the same towards others. When we forgive, let it go. Don't hold on to it.

He died only once to free ALL of you. His Blood is divine blood not like the blood of bulls and goats that can only wash sinners of the OT once a year.

Jesus blood is Eternal Cleansing! It cleanses you every seconds of your life, that is why in Hebrews 9:12, it says there eternal redemption.

Hebrews 9:12 (NIV) Says
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.

And this is the prove of scripture below that, as Christians, we are 100% clean.

Colossians 1: 21-23 (NIV) Says
Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because off your evil behaviour. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

All you need, is your Faith.

There is confusion in the body of Christ today that believe, Christians are only clean until their next sin. So they have to get ready to catch themselves from falling by quickly confessing before it's too late. They believe, on their next sin, they become 80% clean or 70% or less. The more they sin, it will go down to 0%. Just like the warning system in lowyat.

What they don't realize in essence they're saying Jesus will have to climb back to the cross to die again for every new sins they commit. That is nothing short of making Jesus blood futile and an insult if I may add.

No.

Do not add your human reasoning to the Bible. The Bible mention very clearly,

Jesus died only ONCE and it is powerful and more than enough to remove ALL your past, current and future sins. (Hebrews 9:12)

It is eternal cleansing.

If Born again believers are still able to absorb or contain sin, Jesus atonement at the cross would have been nullified and worthless. HE would have to come back again to be crucified over and over again just like sacrifices of bull, goats of the Old Testament. That would mean Jesus sacrifice is not perfect and acceptable as eternal redemption.

So start walking tall, you have been redeemed. Know that you are Holy in the eyes of God because of Jesus. You have been made righteous by your Faith!

Every time you fall from grace, do not be afraid to come to God. Know that your obedience or your works cannot make you holy. You MUST believe it that you can come to God every time you fail or sin.

You can pray like this.

"Heavenly Father, I thank you, I'm still righteous because of Jesus Blood. I thank you for the Blood of Jesus that washes continuously, and you have given me Eternal redemption in Jesus Name".

Receive that by Faith and the grace of God will flow into your life. (Romans 5:20)

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 4 2012, 05:06 PM

To fellowship n to learn.

Welcome.

Well enjoy your stay, feel free to read all the comments and devotion as well sermons.

I gtg.

See u guise later. God bless.

r u a Christian? Where u from?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 4 2012, 09:06 PM

geez, try n lose the Catholic title and claim your rightful title as a Christian.

look at me, I claim No denomination.

Just plain Christian. Follower of Christ. Hater of religion.

I mean you're welcome to stay.

Wasn't shooing you away.

Just wished that Christians would stop referring themselves as Catholic, Protestant, Methodists, Anglican, etc.

A simple, "hi I'm a Christian".

Welcome.

lol. Xtians we are.

too late, we already have.

it came to the point of talking about lizardman.

lol.

Oh yeah I promised to give you a devotion on this.

erm..not entirely complete.

give me some time.

will post it up once I have all that I need to say.

Actually, the original Thayer strong definition of Full of Grace is Highly Favoured.

Only God has full of grace.