very nice songs, do u know where to get lyric for this songs? i can't find it at google. 

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."

Any Protestant church in PJ? 

Calvary?

But is this thread about to be nuked? No religious threads wor.

Oh no, bye bye Christian Lounge, religious thread.

good day unknown warrior,

What is protestant church for?

hey guys,we cannot use this thread any longer,the admin will ban ALL of us,so i recommend you guys to close down this thread

hmm. this is like a safe house haha. kinda like how churches were back in the day.

where we can b**** about goldfries and get away with it?

oh and....yay Jesus!

Just finished class for healing ministries. 4 students becomes patient suddenly. 1 laugh, 1 cry, 1 pengsan aka slain. 1 demon refuse to go out. The demon manifest in her too long already need the pastor to follow up with her.

hi UW, in ur believe u consider jesus a god or god n man?

god die? that is impossible.
if jesus god how u explain this:
Jesus in Praying to HIS FATHER said: "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. So listen to what the son says when he calls his father THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

Jesus is a servant of God. (Acts 3:13)

I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Rev 14: 14-15 Here is Jesus is taking orders from another angel ! Can we believe that an angel who orders Christ to harvest the earth is giving orders to God Himself! Or that he would have to tell the omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing) Most High "God the Son" when and how to do anything?

is it something like the explanation in here? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_denomination
i really got a lot question these days, i wants to know more & i'm ready to explore the world of myself. 

It seems that the demon already manifest in her for more then many years. The girl just keep quite and she almost want to vomit but the the thing refuse to come out.

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U are in a wrong thread, stick to your own!

Sigh, yes i know i know...submit to his will and trust him.

But its being many many years, i am not getting any younger.

I don't want to wait for the miracle of abraham and sarah...when i marry at 50 years old and then pray and hope god can help us to produce an offspring like isaac when we are 80 and hope we will live until 150.

I attended one church, the pastor told us that he conducted a lot of marriage councilling and he experienced a lot of tough call whereby lots of couples argue and want divorce. So he keeps on telling us single guys, its better not to marry than to suffer a dysfunctional marriage. But hey, this pastor himself is married and got two kids so he does not know how it feels like to be single too.

I am not saying i like to rush into a marriage but if only, if only, the church is open about christian dating and encourage its members to try going out with each other. But most members at church are very closed up. I have asked girls at church for a date, only for them to give me big big frowns and then the church leaders come over and give me black face.

Then I decided enough is enough, I go outside and date non-christians. Why? Because the christians are not giving me any opportunity. The bible says do not mix unholy yoke with unbelievers...but hey, the church is not helping.

She is in good hands of the pastor. Will take time before the thing can come out. Hopefully she will come to the healing room every monday 7.30pm -10.30 GTPJ.

HALLELUYAH

bt really i oso want to learn abt this religion. dunno where to start. so secretive.

waa are u a priest unknown warrior???

bt if i last recall, spreading cristian is prohibited in malaysia ritee??

so how to learn if like this?

and Hello people, I have been following this thread too, I appreciate Unknown Warrior's sharing and you all to come and gather as One Body. I am from Penang, and with the Roman Catholic (Please, I hope no bashing over RCCs - I am happy to be here, to see sharing, and love within brothers and sisters)

where to download christian song? No illegal plz.

Hello my dear brother, I understand that there is this 'superstition' going on around invoking intercession of prayers, particularly when we all believe that Christ is the sole mediator between God the Father and men.
I will try my best to explain and hopefully, to clear the confusion. Still, I am very happy you ask me about this one because at the very least, to choose to stand in this interpretation or not, people will understand why RCC and Eastern Orthodox practices intercessory prayer at certain times.

In general perspective, “Pray” for non-Catholics is synonymous with worship. But, not all prayer is worship. There are four types of prayer: 1) Worship 2) Thanksgiving 3) Petition and 4) Intercession. The original meaning and use of the word “Pray” is to “petition” or “ask.” The practice of petitioning Saints or Mary dates to the earliest days of Christianity and is shared by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, the other Eastern Christians, and even some Anglicans—meaning that all-told it is shared by more than three quarters of the Christians on earth—It has only been with the advent of Protestantism (500 years old or less) that anyone has questioned the use of this word.

In Genesis 30:14, it says, “Then Rachel said to Leah, "Give me, I pray, some of your son's mandrakes." 
In Genesis 40:8, the bible says that Joseph prayed to his fellow captives as follows: “They said to him, "We have had dreams, and there is no one to interpret them." And Joseph said to them, "Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell them to me, I pray you." Here the meaning 'To pray' means merely to ask; it does not mean to talk to God only.
In 2 Maccabees 15:13-14, the dead Jeremiah appears to Judas Maccabees and it says that he prays much for the people of Israel.  The saints are not dead, they are alive. Jesus says that  "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living" (Matthew 22:32). 
Paul says that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses, in Hebrews 12:1. Witnesses have to be alive in order to testify on our behalf to the supreme judge.

As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.”
In Revelation 6:10, we learn that the saints in heaven know what is going on down here on earth. 
In Luke 16:24, we learn that dead people in hell can communicate with the very dead Abraham.
In Mark 9:4, the "dead" Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus and communicate with Him regarding his exodus from earth. People who believe that being dead in the body is also dead in the soul are called atheists, not Christians. It would be sinful to conjure up a dead person, like Saul did with Samuel (1 Samuel 28:14), in order to gain hidden knowledge (Deuteronomy 18:10-12).  But asking for intercession (1 Timothy 2:1) from live, holy people is very biblical, due to the power they have (James 5:16, 2 Peter 1:4). Revelation 5:8 and 8:3 plainly state that the saints and angels present our prayers to God in the form of incense.

So, we do pray to saints, but not to worship them. We pray to ask for their prayers. They pray with us and for us, just as others here on earth can pray with us and for us. Have you ever asked a friend or a family member to pray for you? It is the same thing. Saints pray alongside of us to Jesus as our intercessors. They do not stand "between" us and God. There is indeed one mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus Christ.  And what is He the mediator of?  Paul says in Hebrews 9:15 and Hebrews 12:24 that Jesus is the mediator of The New Covenant (the Last, Everlasting), not prayer.  Intercession in prayer does not equate to being the mediator of the New Covenant;  they are 2 entirely different things.  The saints are equal to the angels, and are His sons, according to Luke 20:35-36.  John 17:20-23 says that the saints are one with God, and that He has given them His glory.
It also means, Saints enjoy the Beatification of God - Beatified Vision, Meeting God face to face, when we enter Heaven.

Sometimes, certain Christian denominations do pray to them, but some prayer is making a request. We make requests of the saints and of Mary for their intercession, which the Bible says is pleasing to God. Paul says that Christians should intercede: “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim. 2:1–4).

A request can only be answered by God. We request God’s help, his mercy, and his divine intervention. Nevertheless, we do ask the saints, the Blessed Virgin Mary and others in heaven to petition our prayer to God for us. All with the same goal, that God will help, have mercy and divinely intervene. Of course, through Christ, whose authority lies in His and Him alone, which is why every prayer, at the end, we say, through Christ, our Lord. Amen.

In real life, for example:
You are a good friend with C. Best of best since childhood. C's mum is also very loving towards you whenever you come over to his house.
One day, you played a prank on C but C got caught in a misunderstanding and was very sad over this situation. He refuses to talk to you for weeks for He is sensitive. You are very sorry, yet C does not want to see you, he needs time to cool off. Seeing you standing at the doorway for a few hours, C's mum, who is very loving to you (it can be C's dad/aunt) wishes for both side to reconcile, and to be loving towards each other. C loves his mum very very much, and upon C's mum enlightening and loving words of encouragement and advice, C decided to give it a try, to talk to you over it. In the end, you all are best friends without problems whatsoever again.

From the story, C's mum/dad/aunt can be the Mother Mary or saints who enjoy the beatific vision (face-to-face) with God (C - Christ), and through their intercession, sometimes when the God's answer is No, or Not yet, through our persistent prayers and through invoking intercessory prayers, God, who is all-loving, would grant our wish, even though He sees a little good comes from it/time has not yet come, but God always improvise and through us, work something good out of it. But then Protestants may say, why not go to God straight? the answer lies beforehand. God will also not be jealous of this. In fact, He is happy for we are faithful in our prayers, like a loving Father to son, we too, grant our children toys in order to make them happy
Besides this, we also look at the model life of saints when they are human beings on earth. i.e St Francis of Assisi, St Francis Xavier, St Thomas Aquinas. We understand that Christ has placed the perfect role model for us, through His life and His teachings. More often than not, in today's world we are often tempted and swayed, fell down only to be picked up by God's grace again. This is how all of us feel when we, feel like we fail our Lord. But there are people, Saints now, who had done it. We may heard of this saying, 'Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.' Mother Teresa of Calcutta said, 'Saints are only sinners who keep trying'. They are an inspiration for us, but we definitely do not worship them. Afterall, heaven rejoices when we follow the Lord and our actions are pleasing to Him, through all helps in Christ and through Christ (The Branch and The Vine story)  "Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? Lk 15:4

Also exists Saints, who devote their life lovingly to the Lord our God, with such dedication that is admiration and inspiration to us, angels and God alike. Exists a supernatural phenomenon when God grants them grace and sanctity - when you have time, you can read up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorruptibility or visit some of these places for a close look-up - again, we do look to them in awe, how they live examples of Christ on earth, not worshipping. It hurts when people say we worship even over these things when we visit them. (Of course, it does not mean one has to reach this supernatural phenomenon to enter the Kingdom of God, but they are prime examples and proof of God's miracle and reward)

Addition: and yes, it happens that many catholics (elders esecially) may not understanding fully or grasp Catechism and foundation of knowledge of Christ, that is why they are constantly reminded by priests to devote attention to our Lord Jesus Christ, and not Mary. For Jn 14:6 No one goes to the Father except through Me. As for me, old habits are hard to change. Sometimes the elders refute this advice, but priest told me once: who are we to judge?  (Mat 7:1-2) Do not judge others, then you will not be judged. The way you judge others, that is the way you will be judged. When we condemn that, they are not focusing on Christ! blasphemy! etc etc. For they have a loving heart, and God judges our hearts (1 Samuel 16:7). Afterall, love points to One, who is Love - God. I was satisfied with priest's answer on that one too.

I have gone to church for past 10 years serving in food bank, street ministry, ushering, mission trip and young adult ministy. Of course I seek his kingdom first. Now after 10 years, I would at least wanna see some help from the church to pair us christians..to no avail...nothing of that.

I am not getting any younger. And the church and the bible tells us not to have unholy yoke with unbelievers. I have remain faithful to seek a christian believing wife but have not been helped much by church.

I have two friends, two christian sisters, they are now in thier 60s. They been serving obediently at church for years, faithfully but they are still single. I don't want to end up like them. Serve, serve, serve...but make not effort to find soul mate. Of course its their intention to remain single to serve...I respect that because its their calling. But its not my calling to celibate...ok.

So yes seek the kingdom of god first but we also have to make some effort in seeking a soul mate. Or else it be like you say wanna go and study medicine at a prestigous university but instead you go through the Arts stream in Form 5. Does that really going to achieve your aim??? You must have faith + action. You say you wanna achieve this, you got to do it. That is why along the way, I have ask christian girls out for a date. But time and time again, they refuse. I don't know what they looking for..man.

I even witness a few christian girls at church, rejected many of us christian guys cause we ain't good enough for them, but ended marrying non-christians. Why? Is it because we christian guys are too good people? We are not bad enough? They want bad boys? Maybe I should start smoking...(sarcasm)....

"Thats how you in the west have talked about judgement and heaven and hell.."

"He said, we have never done it that way before, because the bible doesn't do it that way."

"Its not a matter of leaving earth and going to heaven. Its heaven and earth joined together."



(HD) Transcript: " The word hell has had a checkered career in the history of the church. And it wasnt hugely important in the early days. It was important, but not nearly as important as it became in the middle ages. And the in the middle ages, you get this polarization of heaven over here and hell over there, and you have to go to one place or the other eventually. So you have the Sistine Chapel, with that great thing behind the altar. This enormous great judgment seat, with the souls going off into these different directions. Very interestingly, I was sitting in the Sistine chapel just a few weeks ago. I was sitting for a service, and I was sitting next to a Greek Orthodox...who said to me, looking at the pictures of Jesus on one wall. He said, these I can understand. The pictures of Moses on the other wall, he said, those I can understand. Then he pointed at the end wall of judgment, and said, that I cannot understand. Thats how you in the west have talked about judgment and heaven and hell. He said, we have never done it that way before, because the bible doesnt do it that way. I thought, whoops. I think hes right actually. And whether youre Catholic or Protestant, that scenario which is etched into the consciousness of Western Christianity really has to be shaken about a bit. Because if heaven and earth are to join together. Its not a matter of leaving earth and going to heaven. Its heaven and earth joined together. And hell is what happens when human beings say, the God in whose image they were made, we dont want to worship you. We dont want our human life to be shaped by you. We dont want, who we are as humans to be transformed by the love of Jesus dying and rising for us. We dont want any of that. We want to stay as we are and do our own thing. And if you do that, what youre saying is, you want to stop being image bearing human being within this good world that God has made. And you are colluding with your own progressive dehumanization. And that is such a shocking and horrible thing, that its not surprising that the biblical writers and others have used very vivid and terrifying language about it. But, people have picked that up and said, this is a literal description of reality. Somewhere down there, there is a lake of fire, and its got worms in it and its got serpents and demons and there coming to get you. But I think actually, the reality is more sober and sad than that, which is this progressive shrinking of human life. And that happens during this life, but it seems to be that if someone resolutely says to God, Im not going to worship you...its not just Ill not come to church. Its a matter of deep down somewhere, there is a rejection of the good creator God, then that it the choice humans make. In other words, I think the human choices in this life really matter. Were not just playing a game of chess, where tomorrow morning God will put the pieces back on the board and say, Ok that was just a game. Now were doing something different. The choices we make here really do matter. Theres part of me that would love to be a universalist, and say, itll be alright. Everyone will get there in the end. I actually...the choices you make in the present are more important than that."