this one like got hidden meaning only.

Until now, I wonder which part is irreconcilable?

Bro. For Believers of Christ, I don't believe, the Lord meant for a negative otherwise it contradicts the meaning of the scriptures.
God is very careful with words. As it is accurately mention reward not punishment as you said in Rev. 22:12.

For unbelievers, yes.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 19 2012, 09:24 PM

Hi Peh Kay,

I know that you know this,

but just to add why I believe there's no negative, Jesus's Death at the Cross.

That is the reason. He consumed all the fiery judgement of God against all Lawlessness, Against all curse so that we will not be condemned.

And yes as you said, the Salvation Life is much more than just being saved, we are rewarded according to the good works in the Kingdom of God.

The eternal treasure stored up in Heaven as Jesus hinted in the 4 gospels.



And Good Morning to everyone.

The Lord has given me more verse as to why the 10 commandments is not for you who are made righteous in Christ.

As Peh Kay sais, we are made righteous by Faith not by works.

I will share more on this later.

in b4 olga calling cult, picking durians, wrong interpretation, wrong understanding of scripture = going to sheoul, bla bla bla.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2012, 09:42 AM

Well morning pehkay,

I think I will rather enjoy discussing this with you seeing that you and I both have kinda similar spiritual journey.

I think you probably have gone through a lot in life, (well, I did, somewhat painful for me at times) to receive revelations as to so much you're able to expound them biblically.

Now of course God did not reveal completely how exactly we will live in Heaven but I believe Heaven will be perfect. Jesus did hinted there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain. Our body will be transcended as his, divinely perfect as well. Hence according to that verse I believe we'll either receive great reward, little or perhaps no much reward at all because for believers in Christ to receive punishment at Judgement day somewhat doesn't fit in.

Not that we need any of those rewards to live in Heaven. Without it, neither would we suffer. The reward as you mentioned, could be the right to rule with Christ in Heaven, could be rewards to do some work in the Kingdom of God. Something Good.

I believe 1 Corinthians 3:12-14 talks about the negative that we go through in this life. The trials of Life. Fire here denotes trials. Whether we based our life on the foundation of God's wisdom or Worldly wisdom, the fire of life will determined which one will stand, after it is tested and as it is, it must be based on God's wisdom. The book of proverbs is one such example.

God will leave us to our own device to fall (so that we know) if our trust is in this world. Such as worry, anxiety, books on Five steps, Six steps to financial freedom, to trust in self-help, yoga, chanting, meditation etc. God is patience and doesn't force it down our throat.

I believe Salvation is eternal PehKay. For a simple reason, we did not gain it by our good works, what makes anyone thinks he can lose by bad works? If we can lose our salvation by our works, then it wasn't a gift to begin with. It would have been a performance based salvation which points back to the 10 commandments and THAT is why I stand by faith that the 10 commandments is no longer relevant!

The Bible says in

Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

We are righteous because of Jesus's obedience not our obedience so how can we lose our Salvation and Righteousness by our disobedience?

We apply by Faith we are saved not by our good works or lack or it or obedience. The only obedience and Law which Christ require for us is to Love. That's all.

Those who advocate that the 10 commandments is still relevant fail to understand this. (sorry off track a bit, this not for you)

You say you obey the 10 commandments because you love God, then I asked What if you fail to obey, one day in your life? The Bible says you break one, you will break it all. Break just 1 law, all the laws condemn you. If you fail to obey, do you agree you have fallen from grace and sin?

If you can agree to this, then the flip side is also true. You believe you got it right with God is because you obey, you didn't sin and fall from grace. Then I ask you this again, doesn't this make your performance meriting you your righteousness and Salvation? You contradict God's grace and Jesus's sacrifice for you.

And back to your question Pehkay,

Talking about daily salvation? Let me start by saying this. The Bible says we have already cross over from Death to Life. Our Spirit is born again and thus we live eternal even after the 1st death, but our Flesh is still with us until the day we die or until the day of redemption. Our mind is still at war. So in this journey, The Bible says be transform by the renewing of the mind. We get changed in the mind by the Spirit and by applying and believing God's word over our natural circumstance or our flesh. That is why God instructed that the Righteous shall live by Faith not by works because if it's back to works, there is no assurance in our salvation.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2012, 12:52 PM

Couldn't agree more.

Brother

your first 2 sentences is right but Who teach you all this? The one in bold?


Good Day Ya'll wsup wsup.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2012, 01:30 PM

The meaning of we are saved by grace = God save you because He loves you.

not you save yourself by your effort, means your obedience.





When you are saved, you are saved because you believe. Not because you do anything.

That means your salvation is forever.

Maybe you will ask me, what if I sin? Will I go to hell?

Answer: No!

When you sin, God's grace will cover you and bring you (Romans 5:20) out so that you continue (Phillippians 3:12-14) in your walk with God.





This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2012, 01:48 PM

No, we cannot remove it because we need the 10 commandments for this reason alone.

Galatians 3:19 (NLT)

Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.


Without the Law we would not know what is sin.

IMO the Law is more for unbelievers, not so much for believers.

edit: well maybe for some believers to try and obey and find that he/she cannot fulfilled perfectly and give up and rely on God's grace.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 22 2012, 02:01 PM

Well Yes and to add to your explanation.

It comes when we give up our self confidence.

The more we acknowledge our weakness in the flesh, and the urgent need for God's spirit to empower our lives.

I think what Olga meant is that,

He knows He has the Holy Spirit but doesn't know how to submit to the Holy Spirit.

So in his own words, more of Holy Spirit = More of being lead by the Spirit and less of our resistance.

Post # 3130.

ok ok lah.

you very clever la.

Say u clever also kena. Now I bad guy?


Yes.

God gives you as a gift. (Give)

You receive it freely. (Receive)

No lah, just that your subject intended will spark long debates over about gay rights and issue on morality when it's quite clear that's not what we believe in. Not to say we will witch hunt and burn all LBGT but just that we don't condone their sexual practice.

I've watches the youtube video and can say this preacher is just trying to justify without even referring to one verse of the Bible.

That my friend is self justification.

Eternal Life is one of the composites of Salvation.

According to Hebrew word study, the word Salvation is not only just eternal life, it's more than that.

It encompass deliverance, rescue, wholeness, safety, welfare.

This one, those who are good in theology can tell you. Not me.

No problem bro.

what?

Yes. Amen.

Don't mind if I just add on to this.

Yes in all eternity, God's purpose is all about love.
If you notice in almost all the New Testament book, the authors emphasize heavily on the Law of Love, because if you fulfil Love, you fulfil all the Laws of the 10 commandments. Even Jesus expound it beautifully, if you claim to love God, you should know what to do.

And yet here is the confusion.

What I believe the Church today fail to understand, is the purpose of the 10 commandments. I repeat many times, there's nothing wrong on what's inside of the 10 commandments but the design, the purpose and the sole reason of it.

It's been proven for centuries and generations after generations, nobody could fulfilled them because it was never meant to.

But yet the confusion starts when we try to obey it.

Jesus did not come to enable you to fulfil the 10 commandments, the outward Law, in order to have right standing with God for a simple reason.

Our righteousness comes from Faith not of works (works = obedient to the law) less we have something to boast about before God. But God is a debtor to no man will not give his glory to others.

That is why your righteousness is given to you as a gift by grace and through your Faith.

And if you scrutinize the scripture, the emphasize for obedience is really pointing to Loving others.

That is the much needed obedience and one commanded by Jesus.


there you go again. Judging others.

Have you actually seen an actual sermon from him or you just see those youtube video by critics?

It will take time for Olga to really absorb all this and understand.

Olga, I just want to say something.

Believe in your heart, God is more than willing to be gracious with you and when you have accepted Jesus as

your Lord and Saviour.


Have confidence in God's grace.

Romans 8:32 (NLT)
Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won't he also give us everything else?

Hebrews 4:16 (NIV)
Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

And I didn't fully comprehend this love until I let go and let God.