Then by the same virtue you contradict this verse.

Galatians 5:4

You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (NIV)


For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace. (NLT)


You cannot have both.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 04:49 PM

ymc2303

What I'm trying to say is this.

As Christians we cannot ignore what's the content of the 10 commandments.

There is nothing wrong in the contents of the 10 commandments, mind you.

It is the Righteous requirement of God after all and you can say it is the picture of God.

But you must understand the purpose of it. Why it was given.

So that we know what Sin is and HOW sinful we are.

That is the design and the purpose of the 10 commandments according to Galatians 3:19.

And that purpose is not for you to use as a basis to come to God anymore under the New Covenant.

Because if you do that, You deny the work of Jesus. You Deny his Death and He died for Nothing. (Galatians 5:2-3) (Galatians 5:4 )

Did you know that God called the 10 commandment a ministry of death? (2 Corinthians 3:7)
Did you know, God called the 10 commandment a dividing wall of hostility? (Ephesians 2:14)

And It Takes Christ Blood to set us free from the curse of the 10 commandment? (Galatians 3:13)

Look at all the negative words God used in the Bible against the purpose of the 10 commandments.

What does that tell you?

The 10 commandments was never the Heart of God in the first place.

Do you know God hates Self Righteousness? Can you agree with that?

Do you know why God gave it through Moses back in the OT?

If you can answer that, you'll find another reason why.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 05:12 PM

It's ok bro, I'm older than you if you're 35 and I'm still learning.

I want to say something.

And it will be good for all our brothers n sisters to see this.

If you have ears to hear and eye to see as Jesus said it.

You practise Loving your friends and enemies.

Be nice to people, including your siblings and family members.

That alone, Fulfils all the Law of the 10 commandments, including God.

EVEN THAT many Christians fail to do.

And HERE we got some people going GUNG-HO so hardup for the 10 commandments.

You can't even obey the most basic thing, you think you can measured to God's perfect requirement.

Can ALL of you honestly answer that?

Let God be true and every man a liar. <---that passage is in the Bible.

No, Because Israel keep on grumbling against God. They were being resistant despite God's goodness.

For 40 Years God has been Faithful and during those 40 years they did live under God's grace.

It is only the final straw. When Israel boasted before God they are able to measure up to God's Righteous requirement,

God totally change his tone to one of distance and gave them the 10 commandments.

Look at the surrounding of Mount Sinai. God put a limit surrounding the mountain.

If they were to even touched the foot of the mountain they'll be put to death. (Exodus 19:12)

Whether Man of Animal, they will not live. Even Animals were not spared. I really kesian the Animals, they don't know anything.

God was bringing up His Righteous Indignation because by the Law, those people will have to measure up.

But What did God says in the NT despite of giving the 10 commandments after that?

Romans 3:10
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

NOT EVEN ONE.

Nobody could measure up or keep the Law of the 10 commandments despite of giving it.

If nobody could then Who's our Saviour?

Jesus Christ.

That's why when you put your Faith in Jesus Christ, God impart to you HIS righteousness as a Gift. It is a Gift. Not a reward.

He gives you the Holy Spirit as one who will guide you into all Truth.

That is why our Focus must be on Christ Jesus alone as the base of Right Standing before God, Not the 10 commandments because the design of the Law is to bring you to the end of yourself. (proven by Romans 3:10).

And It is by Grace you have been Save so that NO one can boast before God.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 06:08 PM

May I know why not?

Why do you feel as if our Father in Heaven is not gracious?

You are very Works conscious.

I think the whole problem with your thinking is that your standing with God depends very much on your performance.

And perhaps you don't really understand the life of Faith.

The 10 commandments is not what God wants you to focus on.
It's there to push you out of your self effort into trusting God completely.

Because if you say the 10 commandments is still needed to obey

you void Faith. You know why? Because you don't need Faith if the Law is all you need for God's blessings.

Which contradicts Grace in essence.

Those who humble themselves God will Exalt. Those who exalts themselves, God will humble.

That's the essence of it.

Be an advertisement for God.

Tell other people how gracious God is to you.

Be a witness.

Even if there's 10 of you challenge me, you're not really challenging me.

You're challenging the scripture.

Don't get so work up if you admit you need revelation of the Bible.

I may not be a super apostle with superior gift in Bible revelation but I do take time to study God's word.

If you're going to be a victor for Christ You NEED abundant of God's grace in your life Olga.

Romans 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.


There highlight big-big so that your eyes don't pretend to be blind.

I ask you this la.

Even if you think you're right, that the 10commandments is needed to obey and you have Jesus.

Could you obey perfectly?

Tell us honestly?

You never fail even once?

Edit: I'm not suggesting you go and sin all the 10 commandments, ok? Don't go n twist my words.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 19 2012, 12:52 AM

Bro, It's not wrong source. It's you have wrong understanding of what I'm trying to say.

I never say Because the 10 commandments is no longer relevant = go and sin and break all the 10 commandments.

You get this part?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 19 2012, 12:54 AM

Don't come and talk your theory to me.

Tell me the Truth.

Could you obey perfectly?

Tell ALL OF US here honestly?

You never fail even once?

The Bible says

Do not Judge less you'll be judge in the same measure.

There you already broke one of Jesus's commandment.

And you dare say you can obey?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 19 2012, 01:07 AM

Well you just disobeyed

Matthew 7:1-2.
1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.


You didn't speak the Truth.

lol. Ahem. Cough Cough.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 19 2012, 01:26 AM

Nah I was just joking about that.

honestly I wished it's not a debate.

If there's someone who understands this revelation.

If will set you free and if you will, it's really the Truth of the Gospel.

I need to say this out as an early warning because I really believe, the enemy (The Devil) is trying to bring back

Righteousness by works in the Church as opposed, whereas New Testament is nothing more and nothing less, Righteousness by Faith.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 19 2012, 01:32 AM

The Holy Spirit tells you so? lol.

Show us the scripture, Everything should be based on scripture.

Now remember, the Holy Spirit only came into us in the NT after Jesus died on the Cross and rose again. Show us where in the Bible, if not can I say you're spreading Heresy?

And I never said the Holy Spirit doesn't know what is right or wrong. There is a difference. Please know what you're talking about.

And yes you can even boldly you concur that's why Jesus died on the cross. ok,

So I've asked you last night and I asked you again Today (See u still want to hide or not).

Are you able to follow the 10 commandments perfectly even until now?

Answer Please. Don't avoid, Don't give excuse, Answer Yes or No?

And you cannot observe the Law without Focusing on the Law.

So prove with Scripture then.

The Holy Spirit came and give us the 10 commandments. Prove it.

The source is in the Bible.

That's why in the Bible, there is a verse about Patience and Great Endurance.

In times like this, just call out to God saying, it's painful, cry if you must, be real with God but let God heal you.

Just say, It's painful but You ARE my healer and the source of my strength.

Then Praise him for that.

NOT praise that situation. shhesh be careful what Olga teaches you.