Yes I agree his initial Target was for the Jew, Don't forget, so was our Lord Jesus Christ.

His very first target was the Israelites, the Jews.

BY your reasoning, We can also ignore words spoken by Christ for the Jews in the Bible in NT?

That's heresy and Blasphemy.

Didn't the Bible say When the Holy Spirit comes, He will guide you into ALL truth? Not partial Truth?

Don't forget, Jesus is Truth and Grace (John 1:17)

And I repeat It was only Him alone who could fulfilled the Law. And I did ask you a question. Who in the entire Bible has actually fulfilled the 10 commandments perfectly? David? Paul? Even the Rich young Man in the Parable could not fulfilled it because of the love of money.

Do you know what is the purpose of the Law or not Aleune? if you claim to have read the Bible many many time, you should know the answer.

Olga, if you just want to get stuck as basic, you'll never move on.

Hebrews 6:1 (NLT)
So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don't need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God.

Romans 5:6
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.

Not for the righteous or those who feel they have no wrong in their life.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 11:57 AM

I tell you ar, you're really spreading nonsense. You know your bible or not?


Hebrews 4:16
Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.


US there represent all of us who are in Christ.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 12:02 PM

If you say my basic is wrong, then interprete this for me lor.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Nah King James version.

Ye are fallen from grace. You think I created that word?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 12:10 PM

Ephesians 1:7
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace



You think God's grace is poor?

not to follow the 10 commandment doesn't mean to break all the laws of the 10 commandments.

Your problem = your comprehension.

I already know from the beginning, you think like this but that is not what I meant.

Siaow ar you?

I find NLT easier to understand but I look all the others translation as well just to grasp the complete meaning of it.

You're only proving to people you don't read properly one ar.......only know how to panic.

I also dunno how to calm you down.

For you when I say the commandment is no longer relevant.

In Your mind,

OH UW SAYS WE CAN BREAK THE 10COMMANDMENTS bcos not relevant anymore.

I really pity you.

For those who are confuse, read these again.


This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 12:39 PM

Could be either one or both, my wordings or just comprehension.

But bear with why I said this. Don't get angry.

If you can be patience with me, what you said is a bit contradicting. If you can agree you're not justified by keeping the Law then by the same token You can't please God by obeying it.

Bolded, that is not in the Bible. That is human reasoning. (bold n underline one)

I agree it's God's precept even until today but the very sole reason for it's existence is there, not for you to please God.

Galatians 3:19 (NIV) explain it;

What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator

NLT explains it better.

Galatians 3:19 (NLT)
Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

It's purpose is to show our sins. without it, wouldn't know.

That is why Jesus came as (you said) to show the greatest of all the commandments which really in essence is Love.

1. Love God
2. Love Others.

The Bible define that Love and Faith is basically what please God.

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God,
whom he has not seen.

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

That is the New Life and the New Law so to speak.

Look at

Galatians 3:23-25
23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christh that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Notice the word there supervision?

Some of you may say because we need the law for guidance, otherwise how to know what is right or wrong?

I have said it before, the only Flaw I find about the 10 commandment is not so much what is in the 10 commandment but the reason for it.

The Law and the 10 commandment is very centred on Man coming to God. That is self effort.

Whereas in the new covenant, Grace has been repeated mention over and over again what is given to you by God, you cannot earn it.

In the New Covenant, We look to Jesus to reach God.

Jesus is the only one who fulfilled the Law perfectly and better yet, He came bring it to a level that's more refine than the previous. You can say this is like making things more difficult.

Do you know why?

So that we only look to Him Alone. (Jesus) not the 10 commandments anymore.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 02:02 PM

Can you show me which verse says that?

We are sanctified by the 10 commandments?

That's why in Galatians 5:22-23

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

When you act in Love, you will not commit adultery. When you act in Love you will not steal, kill, <insert whatever sin or wrong doings>. Love covers a multitude of wrongs. That's why in verse 23 it says there, against such things there is no law, meaning when you act in Love, you don't need the Law to tell you what to do.
You're guided by the Holy Spirit.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 02:05 PM

That's because what I said is Old and it is in the Bible.

It's not a new trick or some new cult teaching.

If it's a new teaching it won't be recorded in the Bible.

And this is exactly why a lot of Christians always complain to God about many things.

Because you want to do things yourself, your own way, your own effort.

You don't want to depend on the Holy Spirit which Jesus already promise is in you when you accepted Him.

You want to depend on what your flesh is able to do. To live life without Faith.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 02:12 PM

Oh I thought you are?

you said that in 2011.

You may be surprise if you actually ask your cell group or pastors, you could be wrong.

You're just too proud to ask.

You say you sked ppl say you're like blur sotong after going to Church for so many years.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 02:21 PM

lol hahahahaahahaha

ok you got me.

Flying Spaghetti Monster Church.

So you're an unbeliever.

Atheist or Deist?

Exactly my point.

It's there for you to know what sin is. That is the purpose.
Without the Law you probably wouldn't know what sin is.

Good that you ask this question,



So you started off by saying it is SIN that displeases God. If that is the base factor.....

So in turn I ask you, by obeying the Law does that make you sinless?

or

It's Jesus's blood that makes you sinless?

And think about this deeply.

How can you not be in a sinful state unless it is Jesus's Blood that washes you?




Edit: to further super impose this.

Even if you completely obey the Law, does that makes you sinless? Definitely No!
The Law cannot make you Holy nor Righteous so How can you please God by that virtue?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 02:45 PM

God has taught me one thing.

You'll never be convince until you get your feet wet.

You have to experience it, go in get your hands and feet wet

go into the real practical side of it.

Love your enemies.

Believe in God for all your needs

etc.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

I agree with all the ones in purple highlighted.


Nope. Adam and Eve lived before the 10 commandments. Assuming if they lived passed after Moses gave the Law, even they WILL fail to keep it.

lol you just answer your own question in red.

The answer is Nobody can. So Again the same question points back, If nobody can, How can you please God?




I'll take the excerpt from #2935.

I know what the details of the 10 commandments.

Could be either one or both, my wordings or just comprehension.

But bear with why I said this. Don't get angry.

If you can be patience with me, what you said is a bit contradicting. If you can agree you're not justified by keeping the Law then by the same token You can't please God by obeying it.

Bolded, that is not in the Bible. That is human reasoning. (bold n underline one)

I agree it's God's precept even until today but the very sole reason for it's existence is there, not for you to please God.

Galatians 3:19 (NIV) explain it;

What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator

NLT explains it better.

Galatians 3:19 (NLT)
Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

It's purpose is to show our sins. without it, wouldn't know.

That is why Jesus came as (you said) to show the greatest of all the commandments which really in essence is Love.

1. Love God
2. Love Others.

The Bible define that Love and Faith is basically what please God.

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God,
whom he has not seen.

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

That is the New Life and the New Law so to speak.

Look at

Galatians 3:23-25
23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christh that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Notice the word there supervision?

Some of you may say because we need the law for guidance, otherwise how to know what is right or wrong?

I have said it before, the only Flaw I find about the 10 commandment is not so much what is in the 10 commandment but the reason for it.

The Law and the 10 commandment is very centred on Man coming to God. That is self effort.

Whereas in the new covenant, Grace has been repeated mention over and over again what is given to you by God, you cannot earn it.

In the New Covenant, We look to Jesus to reach God.

Jesus is the only one who fulfilled the Law perfectly and better yet, He came bring it to a level that's more refine than the previous. You can say this is like making things more difficult.

Do you know why?

So that we only look to Him Alone. (Jesus) not the 10 commandments anymore.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 17 2012, 04:44 PM