If you look at the Greek or Hebrew translation. Whenever it mention the Law, it speaks as a composite whole. Especially in the NT.

2 Corinthians 3:7

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone,....


Now why did God call the 10 commandment a ministry of death?

you can check out all the translation. It's the same.

LoL, you're very quick to change the focus of the subject and use it back against the one who share it. No problem, anyway,

And

I'm replying in kind to the subject of the contention, not about you personally.

Also the Parables is exactly related, I'm making a point why we should not be critical and judge others, it's because for one,

we don't really know the person what He has done, Where's he's from.

Exactly as what you felt. You don't like it. By the same token neither will the one you judge (if you did) like it.

Besides, what makes you think there's a False Prophet in RLS?

I did a quick check, there seems to be world food shortage according to



And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine

And

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/...acts%202002.htm

I don't know if that is the one it mentions about.

Was Making a point here.

You don't like to be judged.

What makes you think others like to be judged?

Same thing you used against me not to judge you.

So Why do you still judge others?

I know you're trying to say how else do you call a false prophet, a false prophet?

That is the part you don't get it. That is not the point.

Matthew 7 is clear. When it says do not judge. Do not judge. Jesus never give you a Go ahead.

And you're trying to justify saying as long you don't have a log <insert whatever log> it gives you a right to judge others.

That is not biblical because you contradict the meaning of grace. Your righteousness is given to you as gift, you didn't earn it. You will never have a clean Log of your own.

So by the same token, have mercy attitude towards others. That's why I quoted the parables.

Well to be honest, I don't know.

That 1/6 could refer to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Horn_of_Africa_famine

Africa is a large continent after all.

Well brother, I wouldn't go so far as to call it bull. Just because somebody question your Bible knowledge, you turn and attack RLS?

Apa la bro.

Even I don't fully understand the prophecy but I wouldn't call it like that. That's why perhaps I'm not in the gifting of prophecy, never really interest me that much.

You wouldn't like it, If I say your Glads Tiding Church Senior Pastor always focus on Money, would you?

Because everytime there's an event, the offering bag sure come out. how?

Reported.

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lol.

Sigh, sorry guys.

Olga don't angry with me ok?

No lah.

Only that mixed12 guy got banned bcos

1. dupe account and
2. His link to some Hennessey website.

I find your Church bit very-the-focus on Tithe lor.

Seriously almost every event.

My Church only during Sunday services.

Non believers may not understand you see.

Outsiders may think your Pastors is after their money.




Just talk to your cell group.

if you want to know for your comfort.

There are some principals in my Church I don't really agree lo.

Sometime they preach strongly on the Law. Sometime they preached Grace.

Come n give us your story.

Ish Ish Ish.

I tot you're suppose to give 10%?

Well that's kinda sad, May I know why?

Want to share exactly what ideas or believes? or you prefer to keep this private?
Don't worry Weldon. No forcing.

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Ok No problem. But if you feel like throwing out something so that we understand more of it, go ahead.

Bro, He just said He didn't believe in God.

lol. afternoon, no lah.

from after lunch until evening was some where else.

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You sure you're not angry?

Angry la tu.

Dun like that le.

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Well that was my point exactly. It points back to you.
You don't like it if there are people who judge you. This one you accuse me right?
What makes you think others will like it when you judge them?
It's the same thing. That is what you're trying to tell me isn't it?
I hope you get this part.

That is why, Jesus never instruct you to have an outer judgement towards others whether by words or deed because it leads to confrontation
but it's very clear from the Bible, the passage of Matthew 7 it points to one of inward discernment. That's why it says DO NOT judge others.

If you know something is not scriptural discern and avoid it. Even if you want to warn others, be lead by the spirit.
Don't do it with the tone of self righteousness. Don't do it in the Flesh.

And you are wrong to say if you don't know a person/prophet your opinion is not bias but neutral. If you don't know a person well enough, your opinion is nothing short of speculation, not the other way round. Sorry.




Now don't resort to belittling others. I don't know what makes you think you're qualified to accuse others of having a poor exegesis when you yourself have problems understanding of scripture. Why I say that?

That passage is meant to tell you, you can never fulfil the Law. In fact none of the best Man of God in the OT did, what makes you think you can?

That is why Jesus quoted



Nobody can achieve that kind of Righteousness. Jesus never came to abolish the Law but to bring the 10 commandments to a level that's more refine than the previous so that Man would come to the end of himself and look away from self and Look to Jesus as the fulfilment. It's no more self dependant but God dependant. Understand or not?


It Starts with Judge NOT with a warning that if you disobey this command, you'll be judge severely because you were never righteous in the first place. Your righteousness is given as a gift and it is Jesus's Righteousness, not yours. Don't twist this portion of the scripture thinking it gives you a license to judge others. A Don't is a Don't.

That's why I quoted

Read the parable of the unmerciful servant in Matthew 18:21-35.
Read the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collectors Luke 18:9-14.

Because it relates to this. When you judge others, you'll be judge in kind the same thing as when you're unmerciful towards others you'll be treated in kind by God. When Jesus says to look at your own log, He meant that you discern yourself that you are a sinner once too. If you were forgiven freely what makes you think you have a right to judge and be critical of others freely? You can say this part is more like a trick question to see whether you understand Him or not.

And Don't tell me you have no log of your wrong doing, therefore you qualify. That is self righteousness. Nobody can ever have a clean Log If Jesus did not wash you by his blood. Hence what makes you think you're above the rest? Cloth yourself with humility brother.


I already told you in post 2775, that's not the point and here you are repeating the question again proving once and for all you don't understand what I post. Stop your this ridiculous claim that others have poor exegesis. The more you do it, the more it speaks back at you.

You may not say it and you think you understand that righteousness is unmerited as a Gift but you are still judging others, that equates putting yourself above those you judge, like you are more righteous. So why the contradiction?

Yes I can agree the Gift of God is for building the Church but don't forget, It's also used for witnessing for Christ as well.
If you keep on wagging your finger judging others, is it a turn off or an attraction to unbelievers and is it a good testimony towards believers?

That's why I emphasize strongly that Matthew 7 denotes inward discernment. You on the other hand use words that's not in the passage.

It Say Beware, you'll know,, no where there's the word, Judge in there. So why do you want to change scripture?

A prophecy is a future event yet to happen. Whether it has come to pass or not, it denotes and serve as a warning so that people would take heed and pray for a change.

Can you explain to me, let say if a prophecy is proven wrong, how does it destroy the Church because I think you're making statements out of proportion to the extreme.




Yes the Scripture judges because the Word was God. So it confirms what Matthew 7 is talking about is inward discernment because only God qualify to judge. As you said it, the scripture judges, not you.

Secondly, you're not Jesus, so you don't get to call people vipers. Only God Can because He's All Knowing.

I beg to differ mercy and forgiveness is very much related to those who are judgemental.

You cannot hide behind scripture saying oh the scripture judges so I can judge them when the very commandment says DO NOT JUDGE.

Contradiction.

And I remember you saying God only judges with regards to Salvation? So what you're trying to say here? Other matters you can mete out judgement on others?

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