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unknown warrior
post Oct 15 2012, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2012, 11:36 AM)
Both...........
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Some of the Prophecy is for the end times, but Salvation YES.
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post Oct 15 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2012, 11:41 AM)
The purpose of the New Covenant is described in the Old T.
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Yes God has given hints of the NT in the OT.

So what is the New Covenant?

Give a summary if you know.
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post Oct 15 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2012, 11:40 AM)
I looked quickly at your River of life snactuarysite

You have false prophets in yer midst
http://www.rls.com.my/index.cfm?&menuid=118

When did we have death wiping out 1/6 of world population in 2011?      rclxub.gif
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I click on link, cannot load. So I don't know what you're claiming to be true.

QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Oct 15 2012, 11:41 AM)
and now you question about God's authority?
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Which Part?

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post Oct 15 2012, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2012, 11:45 AM)
31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
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Look at verse 34,

The word no more over there, does it mean really no more? Or depends on your performance?

If you still obey the Law of the 10 commandments, and you know you're not perfect, you stumble along the way, how does it reconcile to no more?




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post Oct 15 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2012, 11:51 AM)
i have not raed the whole thingy...
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

http://www.rls.com.my/index.cfm?&menuid=118
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I'm not in the Gift of prophecy.

But I suppose that hunger has to do with India. Whether it's accurate or not, I leave that to the public to decide.

But still for you to start judging on Churches and even boldly critical as so far to call someone False Prophet is upon your own.

I've told you a thousand times, Having a judgemental and Critical Heart is not a good Testimony.


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post Oct 15 2012, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2012, 11:57 AM)
Did i say depending on your performance?  Your performances are dross before the Lord. 
Its all about Faith. However, this faith results in DOING His will.
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You're right that it is by Faith.

And I know you're quoting that from Faith without works is dead scripture.

But that is justification before Man so that it is not just empty words.

God's only righteous requirement is Faith and it is Love the reason for you to do his will. (1 John 4:20)

The New Covenant has been focus on the aspect of Love.

Not on the 10 commandments anymore.

The the 10 commandments is faulty in the sense that not the details of commandment in there, is a problem but the reason for

fulling is Man Centred rather than Christ Centred.

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post Oct 15 2012, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2012, 12:04 PM)
Why do you take this so personal? i said there is a False prophet in yer church.
It says "world population", not India.

Next we are called to judge prophecies...

A false prophet

Det18:20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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You may judge the prophecy but I've never found anywhere in the Scripture that says you are to judge the person behind it with condemnation and go all out confronting in a judgemental method.

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post Oct 15 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 15 2012, 12:17 PM)
lol God give 10 commandments which is faulty. When he knows ever thing.
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You're right that it is by Faith.

And I know you're quoting that from Faith without works is dead scripture.

But that is justification before Man so that it is not just empty words.

God's only righteous requirement is Faith and it is Love the reason for you to do his will. (1 John 4:20)

The New Covenant has been focus on the aspect of Love.

Not on the 10 commandments anymore.

The 10 commandments is faulty in the sense that not the details of commandment in there, is a problem but the reason for

fulling is Man Centred
rather than Christ Centred.




tolong read the bold and underline.

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post Oct 15 2012, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 15 2012, 12:25 PM)
Eh? Never seen you before .... biggrin.gif
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Maybe A troll? laugh.gif
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post Oct 15 2012, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 15 2012, 12:27 PM)
lol he is God, he knows our heart. You are agreeing that God din't see this coming?
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You can only have one.

Either you're righteous by Faith or you're Righteous by the Law.

you cannot have both.

Read the bold part below.

Galatians 3

Faith or Observance of the Law

1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

6Consider Abraham: “He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”a 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”c 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”d 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”e 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”f 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
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post Oct 15 2012, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 15 2012, 12:41 PM)
Frankly you are taking Grace for granted.

Deuteronomy 6:16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah.
The 10 commandments is in us. You cannot ignored it. The Holy Spirit is there to guide us in obeying the 10 commandments and law. If we fails then only Grace will be upon us. It is up to Jesus to give Grace or not. Not we presume we are upon Grace.
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If you are born and lived in the Old Testament Era, you would be right.

The Law of the 10 commandments is a requirement for you to be Right before God.


But If you're born and lives In and After, the New Testament, the only Law you need to obey is

1. To Love God
2. Love Others.

All the Laws of the Old Testament hangs on these 2. If you understand what God really wanted, it should not even be a Law, but a natural lifestyle.

The Focus now is no more you needing to obey to fulfilled the Law but Christ who is in you enabling you to obey.

Ada Paham?

The Law of the OT is about You and your self righteousness.
The Grace of the NT is about Jesus, no more about you trying to fulfil because Jesus has finished the work.

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post Oct 15 2012, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Oct 15 2012, 12:46 PM)
that is why there all so many denominations out there.
They argue and debate just about everything out there when God gave them a mission to spread the Good News to the lost souls.
I mean no offense but what is the point of debating who is right and who is wrong among yourself when there are still lots of things to do?
which has more heavier conviction? having to debate which is right or wrong? or spread the Good News?
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Spreading the Good news is a must but in order to do that you need to understand How Salvation is attained.

Otherwise how to share Salvation?

There are many Christians who still hang on to Salvation by Works rather by grace.

Did you know that?

That is the purpose of the whole argument.

Sorry if it provokes you.




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post Oct 15 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Oct 15 2012, 12:53 PM)
so?
after you won the debate or you successfully justify that what you utter is correct, does that make you God's favorite citizen?
come on la.. since you guys are so well verse on the New Testament, why not practice what is inside instead of just debating about the contents?
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This is the point of my contention.

There are Christians who are so worked up thinking it is their obedience that earned them righteousness, it gives them a sense of self-righteousness wagging their judgemental finger at others.

This is the part where it turns off unbelievers and they get paranoid when they see Christians and it will be a problem when these brothers of mine do not understand Grace.

This part I leave to the Holy Spirit to convict.

But if this is not brought out in the open, it will continue to be a problem.
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post Oct 15 2012, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 15 2012, 12:55 PM)
lol you betul betul sesat gila. I will try ask God to give you Hell holiday if you are in there.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 15 2012, 12:57 PM)
Call me and i will try to save your lost soul.
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lol diam la ko.

I still love you as a Bro but you seriously need prayer. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 15 2012, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 15 2012, 01:01 PM)
Come lah let's meet up.
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You know, I'm being persecuted from you just like how Paul was persecuted.

He said in Romans 6:1
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?





Paul must have preached Grace very aggressively until people misunderstood him saying this above.

They accused and mis-interpreted Paul saying You can sin like crazy under Grace.

Read that verse Olga.

I think by the grace of God, I'm preaching what Paul was preaching.




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post Oct 15 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Oct 15 2012, 01:06 PM)
no la.. we are all open adults.. haha..
you and i are saved by the grace of His love for us.

Do you still remember that when Jesus call upon his first disciple, Peter?
when Peter is still fishing, Jesus call him to follow him? along with his brother Simon..

and the story of a rich guy whom could not let go of all his riches to follow Jesus?

all i want to say is, Jesus give all of you a very simple instruction to follow. To love his people and to be loved by Him.
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Exactly, if it is by Grace, It is not of works. It cannot be both.

Did you know it is the goodness of God that leads people to repentance. (Romans 2:4) in the New Covenant and Not by Fire and Brimstone Hell preaching? (Used to be in the OT)

What does that mean?

Consider Peter before Jesus call him.

The Whole Night Peter caught nothing. But At Jesus prompting, He let down his net on the left side of the Boat, and He Caught Load of Fishes.

Then Peter realize who Jesus was and Fell at his feet saying, Depart from Me Lord for I'm a sinful man.

Which one came first? The Goodness of God or Peter repentance?

That is the essence of Grace in the NT.

I love Jesus. wub.gif

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post Oct 15 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 15 2012, 01:20 PM)
Yes i agreed we are under Grace but that does not mean we keep on doing sin and expect God to forgive us at the end of Judgement day.
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That is exactly what

Romans 6:1
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?

is saying.

Under Grace does it mean you can go on sinning? Same like your question.

No that's not what it mean. But what it says that

IF you sin, Grace will come in and cover you.

THAT is the Truth.

Tell honestly, even if you obeyed the 10 commandments, you tried your best. Were you able to keep it perfectly?

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Oct 15 2012, 01:26 PM)
seems we all have mutual understanding after all..
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post Oct 15 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE
Romans 5:20 (KJV)
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Romans 5:20 (NLT)
God's law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God's wonderful grace became more abundant.
The Law of the 10 commandments cannot make you holy neither can it make you righteous because according to this verse, the purpose of the 10 commandments is to show you how sinful you are.

IF THAT is the purpose, the by the very same definition is that the more you try to obey it, the more sinful you become. You cannot.

THAT is why I'm trying to explain my brothers and sisters to look away from the 10 commandments but to look to Jesus as your Salvation.

Now I'm expecting another wave of storm to come in and persecute me for saying this, but by the grace of God, I'm ready and Pehkay, I need your help.

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post Oct 15 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 15 2012, 01:44 PM)
Hi Noyze ....

First time seeing you around here? tongue.gif
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