some angels do have wings. check Isaiah 6, Ezekiel 1:24
and there are other creatures with wings in heaven like cherub or cherubim.

This post has been edited by LovesReborn: May 20 2011, 03:46 PM

wow, i've been trolling lyn for like 3 years+ and i never knew such a thread exist
haha. hi everyone

Well, then that depends. A lot of things are foolish, not just gambling. But of course, if someone was good at poker and he earns a lot of money from it, then is it still wrong? Erm, I dunno. People make a lot of money from Starcraft and Counterstrike as well.

But yeah, those who waste their money at slots are stupid people and I don't think you'd need the Bible to know that.

I stand corrected if angel = seraphim ... you know any verses on angel specifically?

In the Old Testament there are two kinds of messengers: (1) the cherubim and (2) the seraphim. The cherubim have only four wings (Ezek. 1:6) and the seraphim have six (Isa. 6:2). The four living creatures here in Revelation resemble the four living creatures spoken of by Ezekiel-they have the faces of the cherubim (Ezek. 1:10) and the wings of the seraphim (Isa. 6:2).

Wats the use of wings for the angels? Or are they a metaphor, or perhaps Jet pack wings that the writer mistook for bird wings..

LOl ... spiritually speaking ... The seraphim, they are for God’s holiness (Isa. 6:3), referring to God’s nature, and as the cherubim, they are for God’s glory (Ezek. 10:18-19; Heb. 9:5), referring to God’s expression. Hence, they stand for God’s nature and expression.

When they bar Adam and Eve, it is saying that both of them falls short of God's expression and holiness.

This post has been edited by pehkay: May 20 2011, 04:09 PM

Err ... nope I am not talking about purgatory. It is definitely not scriptural.

Hades definitely has two parts. One part is the place of flames where the rich man was, and the other is the place of comfort and joy where Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham. Luke also calls this place Paradise, the place where the spirits and souls of the saved ones in past generations are resting.

Haha ya... .. two special cases: Moses and Elijah ... I suspect they will be the last 2 witnesses in Revelation since they are kept in a "special place".

Jude 9 “But Michael the archangel, when disputing with the Devil, arguing concerning the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a reviling judgment against him, but said, The Lord rebuke you.” The body of Moses was buried by the Lord in a valley in the land of Moab, in a place known by no man (Deut. 34:6). It must have been purposely done in this manner by the Lord. When Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ on the mount of transfiguration (Matt. 17:3), Moses must have been manifested in his body, which was kept by the Lord and resurrected. Probably, in view of this, the Devil attempted to do something to his body, and the archangel argued with him concerning this. The reference in 2 Peter 2:11 is general, but this is a definite case, concerning the body of Moses.

But <shrug> .. who knows... the Devil seem to know where it is ...

Well, some verses:

Genesis 42:38 says, “Then you will bring down my gray hairs in sorrow to Sheol.” These were Jacob’s words.

Psalm 16:10 says, “For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol.”

In Luke 23 the repentant robber who was being crucified said to the Lord Jesus, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise” (vv. 42-43). This word clearly shows us that on the same day that the Lord Jesus died, the robber went with Him to Paradise.

Matthew 12:40 says, “For just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.” The Lord died and was in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. Immediately after the Lord yielded up His spirit on the cross, His spirit and soul departed from His body, not to go to a heavenly mansion but to Hades, and stayed in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

Acts 2:31 says, “He, seeing this beforehand, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was He abandoned to Hades.” After reading Matthew 12:40 some may think that the Lord Jesus being in the heart of the earth refers to His body being buried in the earth and not to His spirit and soul being in Hades. However, concerning the resurrection of Christ Acts says that His spirit and soul were not abandoned to Hades, showing us that after the Lord died, His spirit and soul went to Hades. The Lord Jesus clearly told the robber, “Today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” Paradise is a section of Hades. From Genesis to Acts we are told that the spirits and souls of all the saved ones throughout the generations go to a place of rest in Hades after death. This place is the Paradise in Hades.




This post has been edited by pehkay: May 20 2011, 04:22 PM

what abt buying lottery? what are the difference of buying lottery and participant contest to win big prize at the same time u pay a lot whenever u sms a entry, like RM1 per sms?

i just wanna know how bible interpret that only.

This post has been edited by timetravelller: May 20 2011, 04:21 PM

its just mere mortal 's illustrations for the glorified beings created by God.
they need not jet pack.. the word almighty already are overwhelming.

The bolded part is contradicting. Typo?

No mention of lottery in the Bible either (I don't think 4D existed 2000 years ago!). The Bible speaks of casting lots, but in a different context.

You make a good point - is there are any difference in buying lottery or participating in SMS lotteries? One thing is for sure, the Bible tells us to be wise.

Personally, spending on lottery tickets which you have a tiny, tiny chance of winning is unwise.

Haha ... looks like a typo .. my bad .. the sentence "not abandoned to Hades" = "left in Hades" .. but He resurrected XD ... So he wasn't abandoned in Hades (like no way out). Only He overcome the death stronghold

This post has been edited by pehkay: May 20 2011, 04:49 PM

do note that your winnings are gained from the losses of others.
Do you take pride and joy in gaining from the loss of others then?

The key point in lottery and 4D and those SMS contest is that it gives some hope for those who are clueless to make it big. (yes, SMS contest is still like a lottery, you spend money and win by chance from the demise of others)

Now supposing you do win big...in what way then does this lump of money glorifies God then? Your win is others' losses!

the bible was written by man hence it is full of contradictions

Care to share some of them with us?

like the existence of a god for a start

go google.

but but but if you dont win others also will lose

actually i dont mind christian that play toto or 4d as long they dont overbuy it. 1 time 10 bucks still ok la. if 1 time 100 or 200 then i think its really abnormal

How is that a contradiction?

Er okay. Maybe you go google how the Bible is, in fact, quite reliable.

1. because if you think about it rationally and without prejudice, its quite obvious that there is no such thing as a "god"

2. you really dont know how to use google. the bible was basically the tabloid of its day.