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unknown warrior
post Apr 24 2012, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Apr 24 2012, 10:37 AM)

We will have to agree to disagree then otherwise we'll end up with 10 pages long arguments like what prophetjul and unknown warrior are doing.
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Nah, my conviction is in peace. not troubled at neither do I have difficulty to find the answers.

I would prefer prophetjul to explore and explain on every new answers given.
It is the repeated questions from prohetjul that causes 10-20 pages.

but then again, even if he's capable to find new answers, I don't mind doing another 30 pages long of sermons. laugh.gif
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post Apr 24 2012, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Apr 24 2012, 11:01 AM)
Doing all the above is already a sin and each of it has its own rewards.

Staying up late - you reap your reward for being tired and restless tomorrow morning and you feel miserable (The reward for your ignorance)
What happens next? You can't work properly, when you're tired, you can't concentrate on what God wants you to do.

Starving your body of sleep when you ought to sleep - same as above

Smoking - cancer (You'll reap the reward of sin later)
What happens next, would you be a good testimony to God's people at Church?

For the wages of SIN is DEATH - DEATH of Tiredness (ppl do die from tiredness of the body, gamers playing 72 hours without sleep = dead, smoking = cancer)

When you sin, it will bear fruit(or conceive) and when it is ripe, it gives birth to DEATH (Try being tired constantly without sleeping and see if you die)
But the Fruit of the Spirit gives LIFE.
God did not refrain us from eating any food. But eating excessive FATTY food knowing that it endangers your life should prompt you not to eat it so much. If you know you ought to exercise instead of sitting on the chair then do it.

WHATEVER YOU DO, IT SHOULD GIVE GLORY TO GOD.
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Actually this staying up late, starving, etc should come as personal conviction from the holy spirit.
We should not accuse all these as sins and impose judgement on others.
Let it be between each believer and God.
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post Apr 24 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Apr 24 2012, 04:55 PM)
Thank You
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I would like your opinion about this disagreement of scriptures which is 10 pages long.

What do you think?
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post Apr 24 2012, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(SummerSunshine @ Apr 24 2012, 05:01 PM)
I always read the posts here before I go to sleep and that help me in sleeping deeply and soundly.  rolleyes.gif

God bless. 耶稣爱你!
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post Apr 24 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(SummerSunshine @ Apr 24 2012, 05:03 PM)
I wonder what altar were you talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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The pulpit.
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post Apr 24 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(SummerSunshine @ Apr 24 2012, 05:05 PM)
I know.  rolleyes.gif Do you?
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post Apr 24 2012, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(SummerSunshine @ Apr 24 2012, 05:07 PM)
You don't.  rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Apr 24 2012, 05:09 PM)
oh boy I got a headache reading the wall of text for the 20 pages, probably a summary of his argument and your argument would be a good conclusion on who is right or wrong.
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Actually it's not important whether I'm right or wrong but whether the scripture supports the case.
That's more important. Because if it does, then it's up to the believer Faith. biggrin.gif



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post Apr 24 2012, 05:34 PM

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There are dinosaurs fghvbn. Genesis 1 mentioned all manners of creature, dinosaurs are included.

The only thing that's inconclusive and there are various explanation on this matter is the time frame from Adam until today.


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post Apr 24 2012, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Apr 24 2012, 05:48 PM)
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this, lol. the entire thing only you & prophetjul can follow man, you've lost the rest of us ages ago.
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post Apr 24 2012, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Apr 24 2012, 05:37 PM)
Yeap, there wasn't a time frame from God's creation (7 days) > Adam in Garden of Eden > Adam got booted out of Eden
But I think it's kind of weird, God created living animal on the 5th day, then Man on the 6th day. Does that mean Dinosaur and Human were living together ?

Or did the dinosaurs came first for a few million years then Human came after the dinosaur extinct?

Then it would mean that the 7 days time is not actually 7 days in this theory.
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I believe Genesis explains the Finished work of God in the Garden of Eden.

The land, sea and air creatures, Plants, trees, Vegetation were created in the full growth status.

Adam was a fully grown Man, not from birth as a Baby.

The reason why none of the creatures could hurt Adam was because Adam was given dominion power over everything that was created.

I believe this was the original intention that God had for Adam.

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post Apr 24 2012, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Apr 24 2012, 05:54 PM)
1. God was/is angry at humans right? Is he angry at himself as well that something created in his image that would do all the sinful things?

2. The dinosaur bones were artifacts that God created just so that human can have some archeology fun, like in games? Serves no purpose other?

3. I think for God, his 7days is definitely not equal to human's 7 days. In terms of mental computing power alone, his 0.0001seconds would be our hundreds of years right?

4. God is more then just Earth, all them planets, stars, wormholes, blackholes - they cant affect God if he chooses right? Therefore the creation of the World, includes more then just Earth. There really could be other lifeforms in the Universe. 7days to create Earth, thousands more years to create other fun things. Pardon me, God is very unlikely sitting around just listening to Gospel and the prayers for more strength from humans.
5. End of time on Earth, and Eternity in Heaven. What will it be like to constantly feel euphoria, never feel sad, live in Heaven with no Evil to struggle against?Doing nothing but the right thing and forgetting about the bad things, the fearful things.
6. Is human special because we are created in God's image or is everything that God created special? Is everything created by God worshiping and singing gospel too? Just that human generally could not perceive it?
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1. The Bible record the on going phase of God's thoughts about his creation. I know what you're leading this to. If indeed that God made a mistake, none of us would be here today. But the fact that we are here, shows the clear indication that God was right to let history unfold from Genesis.

2. God didn't create Dinosaur bones as artifacts. Dinosaurs did exist.

3. Reserve for difference of opinion, you could be right.

4. God created the entire universe including the outer reaches of unknown and undetected planets.

5. Eternal Joy. Something I longed for.

6. I believe we are special. The bible says we are the apple of God's eye. We his masterpiece.



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post Apr 24 2012, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Apr 24 2012, 06:33 PM)
1. I dont think God made any mistake. Just that anytime something is created, you have a certain expectation of outcomes, it could be good or bad. Usually if it is so bad, you trash/modify/ectectect it and restart all over again. No mistake is a bad outcome, you just learn from it and improve. The permutation of what would happen must have been expected by God, so he most likely did not destroy all lifeform with the exception of 1 of each pair of animals and one human family, not out of fit of anger. More like pre-medicated.

In the case of flooding the Earth and decimating is clearly not impossible. Heck even if comets or giant pieces of rocks and metals hurls towards Earth to create a unhospitable enviroment that is possible too.

2. Dinosaur created as it is, however all those scientist doing carbon dating/or whatever scientific methods they are using; saying the dinosaurs is hundreds of millions of years old is not doing it right. And dinosaurs and humans are not separated by hundred millions of years.

3. So God is very likely to have a Time/space wormhole/arc/blackhole machine?

4. Yeah, I think we are special, but not that special when we were still cave man. I think the programming done on us was continuously improved so that we started to become more like God. However, I frequently think I am stupid,(I dont think God will think he is stupid though), so my "firmware/OS" update still aint quite there yet.

5. Eternality is something I could barely grasp, I can understand 1second,1minute,1hour,1day,1week, ect ect up to say 1 million years. Then it becomes fuzzy for me. Once again, eternal, foreverness, is something that is quite uncertain for me. Can you love someone forever, when you dont know what forever really entails? Is it a disciplinary thing or a time machine thing?

I have a certain theory about religion. It is not exactly about constantly praying for enlightenment or solace/solutions in the difficulties of our lives. It is about management of our human expectation.
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1. Yes you're right, God knew (in the power of omniscience) the out-come would out weight the destruction of the fall of Man. That is why we are still here. I believe If Man was ever hopelessly doomed to succumbed to evil to the point of no return, All of us would have been destroyed. Fact of the matter is, there are more Believers called into his Kingdom and is progressing in increasing numbers and the kingdom advancing in full force.

2. Well I'll leave that for open discussion.

3. For an All Powerful being that is Eternal, the concept of time is rather insignificant. All we understand is that the creation of the world marked a starting point in time along the line and path of eternity. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The meaning of the word day in Hebrew hold a few meaning. Many Scholars have come to conclude a few definition. As to whether it meant a point in time, 24 hours, 12 hours, etc is inconclusive.
But on the grander scale of importance, The Bible's main purpose is to reveal God and his salvation to us. Not so much to be concern on the nitty gritty of things like this.

4. Somebody may have some opinion on this. I'll leave this open for discussion.

5. I believe God will reveal more in details as to what to do in Heaven and what would entail over there. It's rather pointless trying to figure what to do when there's already so much to do and achieve while we are still here. Jesus never asked us to live in the expectation of the future but to live one day at a time, living Now.

Christianity is really in essence Having Relationship with God rather than being a religion. When you have a deep walk with God, you don't have to rely on self effort for everything you're going through. We've learned to focus our expectation and get it in line with the One who knows better, God.

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post Apr 25 2012, 10:01 AM

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I Desire Mercy

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Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."



Mercy is really in essence a humble human trait. When you exhibit mercy, you surrender your pride and it's a mark of loving others.

The word Sacrifice here represents Man's self righteous effort.

Throughout the history Man tried to reach out or please God by offering the sacrifice of works or things that they do. Even some Christians thinks they qualify themselves to be with God by the things that they do, ie: abstain from pornography. Study Grace. smile.gif

In another passage it gives us a clue as to what Jesus is super imposing.

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Mark 12:33
To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."


Religion is like this,

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Luke 18:9-14
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”


Man self righteous effort caused him to exhibit pride and that is what happened to the pharisees and experts of the Law.

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Let us come and humble ourselves to the Lord, asking forgiveness in any areas we may have trespassed others.

God Bless.

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post Apr 25 2012, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ Apr 25 2012, 10:02 AM)
"Forgive me Lord, for I have sinned, I am not worthy of your love, but you have send your son to die for my sins, and I accepted it as my only salvation and path to being closer to you. I should be your vessel and do good in your name, to serve you, not for rewards, for you have enjoyment for me regardless of whether I completed my job or not yet."

It is a good deal to enjoy first pay later, I usually eat at restaurant first then pay afterward, so it is similar I guess. But, at karaoke, usually pay first then go sing? or is it like sing sing eat eat, drink drink then go pay.  Furthermore, I think usually eat first then got energy to work. Sing Gospel, worship God to recharge then got energy and strength to work for God.

Also, definitely try to enjoy reading the Bible and getting to know God, if you nitpick everything, you definitely would not finish the book. It is once again, the expectation you have going into the session of Bible study. Most people I think, do not think of enjoyment when reading the Bible, more like obligation to know God's words and to be closer to him, to learn his intention, his plan for us, so that we can do his work on Earth. To know God's words, is quite difficult, as thru out the whole scroll, it is very easy to take situations out of context, to find things that are ambiguous, to find meanings in a whole slew of different situation. I think for some people, God want them to enjoy, for others he want them to put in hardwork, for even more others he wants them to suffer - to learn different things. But most importantly the Bible, God's Words wants unyielding obedience, in that regards, to control a ballooning population, this kind of relationship is excellent for management of human expectation. Quite frequently though, different people, same people different time/situation will/can come up with different interpretation of God's word, however if your steadfast in your faith, usually you are not that far from the truth.

Between son and hired servants, God would still provide food first, enjoyment first? All are creation of God, receiving love from God, (probably not equal amount, but there are differences between son, hired servants, slaves, ect ect ect)
God created inequality, therefore between son, hired servants, slaves, kings, ect ect ect there are also proportionate differences in enjoyment levels. If God made me into spoon, I will enjoy the moment of hot, cold, warm, cool and ambient, probably also the spicy, sweet, bitter, ect moments.
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post Apr 25 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 25 2012, 11:40 AM)
What you wrote is decribing yourself
i tried to lead you point by point to shew the problem with your arguemnets

yet you do not see the problem because you see the trees but do not see the doctrinal FOREST

so here it goes again

i showed you: Jesus became poor inspite of whatever reason.
God commends a poor church in smryna and call them RICH!
Faith is pleasing to God. God is pleased with Smryna.
Therefore Smryna has faith.

According to you: God wants christians to be wealthy.
According to you: if you are not, you misunderstand God about wealth and richess.

My understanding is if you misunderstand God, you have no faith.

So according to you: Smryna misunderstood God. Therefore No Faith.
Hows this pleasing to God?
YET God is pleased with Smryna.

SO According to you, the conclusion would be

a) Jesus misunderstood God and was wrong because He became poor(forget the consequence)

b) God would be wrong to commend Smryna for their faith becasue they had none!


Your exegesis of scripture is STILL full of holes

The word Rich to you seems to all about material wealth.
Yet God calls Smryna RICH in their dire proverty...........Go figure God's REVELATION.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
i guess we better agree to disagree here
since we do comprehend each other!  biggrin.gif
And i certainly do not have the time to check back when its clear as daylight you wrote those
and yet deny such as
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Answered point by point below. biggrin.gif

First of all my devotion is open to all.
I don't force anyone to agree with me.
You're the one who got paranoid thinking I'm trying to change the scripture,
but people who have better discernment or comprehension would know I'm not.

You should certainly take the initiative to try read again and again if you think something is amiss.
I don't know if you're the type of reader who rush through impatiently but based on your repeated questions,
I have to assumed you are that type.

Because I've already highlighted the part where you seeing the result is the end result of your Faith not the beginning.
You definitely have to see your answered prayers with your eyes unless you're physically blind.
It doesn't get any easier to summarise this, If you're still adamant, use the dictionary and check what's the definition of end result.

Do you know the point God wanted to make when Abraham was commended for his Faith even though He didn't see it happen in his life time (Hebrews 11:29)?
The reason is this, Abraham was commended by God because He held on believing He'll receive the promise even until his death.
That is the attitude God wants every believer to have. This attitude coincides with what I posted about

2 Corinthians 1:20
For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God..

Matthew 9:29
According to your faith will it be done to you

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
To summarise since you have taken me on a long and winding journey

You said: God wants you to be wealthy amny time now. (thats a doctrine) - proven with the scriptures above*.
That's not proven....you were stretching and adding onto scriptures to justify prosperity teaching AND Deutronomy is not for you.[/color]
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Secondly learn and understand this.
There's nothing wrong with prosperity teaching as long as you understand everything you achieved,
every money that you have, every skills, talent and ability, every source of your Life
comes from God (John 15:5, Deuteronomy 8:18, Philippians 4:19, etc)
and you don't seek after it to the point you lose focus on seeking God.(Matthew 6:33)
New Age prosperity teaching by pass the Cross and focus too much on prosperity. That is wrong. I am well aware of what you're tying to point here.


2 Timothy 3:16 says All Scripture is inspired by God or God breath in some translation.
It didn't say only certain part of the Bible or only the New Testament is.
Hebrews 4:12 Says the word of God is Alive, Living, Active and Powerful.
John 6:63 Says the word of God is Spirit and Life.

This means Every Book in the Bible, from Genesis all the way to Revelation is God inspired. Every part of the book would include Deuteronomy.
You can basically meditate the scripture from Genesis and to Revelation and by God's grace, He will speak to you.

I did not stretch or add anything into the scriptures. It says exactly what it is, that God is indeed in favour of prospering you.

Deuteronomy 8:18
But remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today

2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

Deuteronomy 28:8
The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The LORD your God will bless you in the land he is giving you.

Deuteronomy 15:10
Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.

Proverbs 3:9–10
Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.

If you're going to fall back into denial, refer to 2 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 4:12 and John 6:63.


QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
i said: God commends both Macedonia and Smryna who were poor, for their faith. - Correct! for their faith, NOT because they were poor.
Jesus became poor.
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What has Jesus becoming poor has got to do with both Macedonia and Smryna?

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
Jesus became poor. Was He wrong to do that since you said those who are poor misunderstands God about prosperity and wealth?
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Jesus understood perfectly. He became poor so that through His sacrifice on the cross, He reconciled us back to God so that our Heavenly Father can reach to us and bless us with every blessing which include Material wealth, that's the meaning of the last part we become Rich.

Read the entire passage.

2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.


QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
<snip> All about Macedonia and Smryna
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Macedonia is made know in the scripture for giving beyond what they have as you can see from the verse below.
This is about their generosity, not their poverty.
Even the NIV translation put the header Generosity in the Bible.
I feel that Macedonia is irrelevant to support your opinion. Look at the word below "I testify". That is the focus.

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2 Corinthians 8: 2-3
Out of the most severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability.
Smyra is an event in the future yet to happen. The Scripture tells us that they're going through some kind of affliction and their poverty is somehow related. The word Rich according to Barnes Note relates to God's favour and grace. Here if you study the scripture, God is acknowledging their (2) conditions. 1. Affliction 2. Poverty.

According to online dictionary the meaning of commend

to present, mention, or praise as worthy of confidence, notice, kindness, etc.

I believe you're hinting towards praise. But if you study the NIV translation below, Jesus says I know, He did say I praise your poverty. Again, I don't see how you're using this to support your preposition.

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In Revelation 2:9

I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.


So what do you think?

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
hint: i am not looking at the reason.i am lookin at your consistncy of arguemnet.  nod.gif
JESUS BECAME POOR.
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Irrelevant. Jesus becoming poor has nothing to do with Macedonia and Smryna. As explained above.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
You dont seem to understand what your arguements are getting you into!
Your arguements are basically insinuating Jesus misunderstood God about wealth and prosperity.
by becoming poor to show an example.
If you cant get this, let me show you...in your own words:
i showed you: Jesus became poor inspite of whatever reason.
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The "whatever reason" is important because that is what complete the meaning of 2 Corinthians 8:9. Otherwise you'll be quoting scripture out of context as you so evidently accuse me of.


QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
Faith is pleasing to God. God is pleased with Smryna.
Therefore Smryna has faith.
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Correct.


QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
God commends a poor church in smryna and call them RICH!
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I've already explain above, the word commend is not suited because Jesus did not PRAISE (assuming that's what you meant). He acknowledge their poverty


QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
According to you: Smryna misunderstand God. Hows this pleasing to God?

According you the conclusion would be

a) Jesus misunderstood God and was wrong to become poor(forget the consequence)

b) God would be wrong to commend Smryna for their faith
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This is a matter of misunderstanding principal. Nothing to do with pleasing God.

You quote the part of Jesus being poor out of context. 2 Corinthians 8:9 never even mention about asking you as the believer to be poor and to follow as an example Because there are many things Jesus did by example and He asked us to follow. A good reference would be when He washed the disciple's feet. If we were to agree with your line of reasoning, then by Jesus walking on the water, We should give a try too? Common, have better sense.

Nope God is RIGHT to commend Smyra for their Faith.



QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
Your exegesis of scripture is full of holes

The word Rich to you seems to all about material wealth.
Yet God calls Smryna RICH in their dire proverty...........Go figure.
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Well if you think it's full of holes, I welcome your refuting points with better explanation,
don't just resort to just accusing, saying bad things about me and ask open ended questions which lead readers wondering what you're trying to say.

Already explained above and before and before, you go figure.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
i think i rather err on the side of God and Jesus!  biggrin.gif
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Which you rightly should. smile.gif

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 19 2012, 08:14 AM)
The other thing about ALL blessings being redeemed in this side of life.
If ALL blessings(incl healing) has been redeemed as you insinuated, then we should have everlasting life
NOW. Do you?
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John 6:47 NIV translation
I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.


Notice the word there has? It didn't say will have.
Unless you don't believe, then I can't blame you.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 25 2012, 11:42 AM)
Its only repeated because your arguements puts Jesus and God in errata...........
AND that in my view is a BIG NO NO    biggrin.gif
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A No to you does not mean it's a No to others.

I beg to differ on any of the points I made put Jesus and God in error because it's scriptural based.

Anyway thanks for your input.

It's clear you do not understand the points but

I do not want any enmity between you and me.

If there's anything I've hurt you, I seek your apology.

I will end all conversation with your repeated questions.

Until I see new effort from you, I will answer in kind.

But I will continue what God has impressed in my spirit and in my heart.

God Bless.

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Apr 25 2012, 11:51 AM)
i would accept a God who owns up. serious
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 25 2012, 12:00 PM)
i will state it again that you put God and Jesus in erata with your arguements

so here it goes again

i showed you: Jesus became poor inspite of whatever reason.
God commends a poor church in smryna and call them RICH!
Faith is pleasing to God. God is pleased with Smryna.
Therefore Smryna has faith.

According to you: God wants christians to be wealthy.
According to you: if you are not, you misunderstand God about wealth and richess.

My understanding is if you misunderstand God, you have no faith.

So according to you: Smryna misunderstood God. Therefore No Faith.
Hows this pleasing to God?
YET God is pleased with Smryna.

SO According to you, the conclusion would be

a) Jesus misunderstood God and was wrong because He became poor(forget the consequence)

b) God would be wrong to commend Smryna for their faith becasue they had none!

Your exegesis of scripture is STILL full of holes
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post Apr 25 2012, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 25 2012, 12:03 PM)
Still full of holes and putting God and Jesus in erata   smile.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 25 2012, 12:04 PM)
Especially based on your BASE statements

According to you: God wants christians to be wealthy.
According to you: if you are not, you misunderstand God about wealth and richess.

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lol. Which is correct (in bold red).

See, to claim that it's full of holes and to say it's in error, you must give explanation as to why the new points made to refute your repeated questions is in error.

Repeating the same questions will lead you no where. smile.gif

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Apr 25 2012, 12:07 PM
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post Apr 25 2012, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 25 2012, 12:11 PM)
Which makes God and Jesus in erata as i have explained to you.
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And I have answered your explanation in kind.
Believe me, there are new points in there.
You did not read probably because TLDR.

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