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toda_II
post Apr 19 2011, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(-Davidoff- @ Apr 19 2011, 10:58 AM)
Hey all, my church is having a 4th Diocesan Worship Conference in Ipoh St.Peters church. Anyone interested to join?
http://www.psalmistgeneration.webs.com/home.html
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too far mwahaha. St is abbreviation for Saint, right? Peter is a Saint?
toda_II
post Apr 19 2011, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 19 2011, 11:04 AM)
That is a loaded question .... logically, you know the answer, no tongue.gif

But I cannot sense or deduce what is the reason that you ask.
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just asking your opinion lol.
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post Apr 19 2011, 11:05 AM

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pehkay. by any chance, are u a priest? u sound like 1. just asking.
toda_II
post Apr 19 2011, 11:06 AM

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pehkay, u go work la. no work meh.
keep typing here. boss marah nanti.
don't tell me...u work in church.

This post has been edited by toda_II: Apr 19 2011, 11:07 AM
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post Apr 19 2011, 11:07 AM

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Why Christian use a cross as sign of Jesus when he is hang on cross? For me, the logical thing is to hate the cross.. lol
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post Apr 19 2011, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(toda_II @ Apr 19 2011, 11:06 AM)
pehkay, u go work la. no work meh.
keep typing here. boss marah nanti.
don't tell me...u work in church.
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Lol, yeah ... you are right tongue.gif
toda_II
post Apr 19 2011, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Apr 19 2011, 11:07 AM)
Why Christian use a cross as sign of Jesus when he is hang on cross? For me, the logical thing is to hate the cross.. lol
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u ask Romans la. ask "why your ancestors use cross to punish people to death?".
Since Jesus happens to die to cross, they use that as the memorial.
That's my personal opinion.

If Jesus died here
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Then maybe that's the symbol.

Then you will say "I hate that symbol"
debbieyss
post Apr 19 2011, 11:13 AM

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mumeichan & pehkay, thanks for answering my questions. In that case, how come a pastor would share something unbiblical to the public? Anyway, this is not my concern anymore.

Yes pehkay, I have heard of the interpretation of 10 virgins story from a churchmate. I don't mind to know your interpretation though. Perhaps you may share it tomorrow since your fingers are tired... biggrin.gif
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post Apr 19 2011, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(toda_II @ Apr 19 2011, 11:12 AM)
u ask Romans la. ask "why your ancestors use cross to punish people to death?".
Since Jesus happens to die to cross, they use that as the memorial.
That's my personal opinion.

If Jesus died here
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Then maybe that's the symbol.

Then you will say "I hate that symbol"
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that's so obvious to hate the symbol of punishment of YOUR GOD!!!


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post Apr 19 2011, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Robin Hood @ Apr 19 2011, 11:05 AM)
pehkay. by any chance, are u a priest? u sound like 1. just asking.
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I will give you a few verses and hope you consider it tongue.gif

First Timothy 2:4 says, “Who[God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the full knowledge of the truth

After the Israelites came out of Egypt, they came to Mount Sinai. God charged Moses to speak to the Israelites, saying, “Ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation” (Exo. 19:6). God told the Israelites that they would be a kingdom of priests. He meant that He wanted the whole nation to be priests. No one in the nation would be an ordinary person; the whole kingdom would be priests. This was God’s purpose.

1 Peter 2:4-5 and 9 says, “Coming to Him, a living stone, rejected by men but with God chosen and precious, you yourselves also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house into a holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ... You are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired for a possession.”

All New Testament believers are priests.

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post Apr 19 2011, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 19 2011, 09:02 AM)
Yes, I have already thought of that, as I said, I have many many questions on my mind, and that's why you can see me replying your comments right away.

Then I have 2 questions here:
1. If hell isn't for christian who has already attained salvation, does it mean what Ps. Philip Mantofa said in his testimony - seeing religious christian in the hell, is a lie? Or an illusion only?

2. If that "Luke 13:28 - weeping and gnashing of teeth" is only indicating self blame, then who are these people that self blaming? And when and where do they self blame?
Many commentary says that this verse indicates the believers who do evil and can't enter heaven, so they are weeping and gnashing of teeth. And again, if it's works that determine human's destination, it simply means salvation is not by grace, but by works.
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Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,


You no longer work FOR your salvation, but to work OUT.
Just like how one does his daily work out to build his muscles and body, so shall you WORK OUT to build up your spiritual life in God, which has given you through grace.
Just as faith without works is dead

James 2:14-26
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


If you claim you have received Christ and has salvation, then by all means work it out and be the salt and light to the world.
Doing evil deeds would only GRIEVE the Holy Spirit and nailing Christ back to the cross all over again!


QUOTE(gogo2 @ Apr 19 2011, 11:07 AM)
Why Christian use a cross as sign of Jesus when he is hang on cross? For me, the logical thing is to hate the cross.. lol
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The empty cross and the empty tomb symbolize victory over sin and death.

Cross is not a sign of Jesus
Its a sign of victory. Man shall no longer by bound to the slavery of sin and death.
Its a symbolic gesture of such victory
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post Apr 19 2011, 04:47 PM

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I know we are to work on the salvation, but how do you know if what you are doing is right? Even each christian has his own justification and judgement, some christian says bow down to idol for certain special occassion is ok, as long as you know your heart is right with God, where some say can not, some still go to pubs oftenly some do not etc...

This is also another issue that arouse many arguements among christians. If you are saying salvation is by grace and faith, then those strong faith who eats offered food is ok while to those who has little faith eating offered food is a sin, both parties also correct; if both parties also correct, just the matter how strong one's faith is, then why are there so many arguements?
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post Apr 20 2011, 01:36 AM

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hey, what are you guys think about lady gaga, after she released the song named Judas?

i used to like her Just dance and Telephone, after hearing judas it just make me feel sick. do you think she over the limit now?
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post Apr 20 2011, 01:50 AM

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btw, i got some question regarding about the bible

in matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. ........

how few is few? as we all know, at least 30%(well in my opinion there is more than 50%) of world population is a christian. so is 30% consider few?

the verses makes me wonder that only a certain percentage, maybe only 2 or 3% can only enter the kingdom of God....
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post Apr 20 2011, 02:11 AM

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why god gave jebus lame superpowers instead of awesome superpowers?
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post Apr 20 2011, 02:17 AM

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shalom evryone... smile.gif
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post Apr 20 2011, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(thken @ Apr 20 2011, 01:50 AM)
btw, i got some question regarding about the bible

in matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. ........

how few is few? as we all know, at least 30%(well in my opinion there is more than 50%) of world population is a christian. so is 30% consider few?

the verses makes me wonder that only a certain percentage, maybe only 2 or 3% can only enter the kingdom of God....
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not all christians go to heaven u know.. doesnt mean that if a person is a christian he/she can enter eternal life. correct me if im wrong, only few can enter, meaning that only those that keep the words of the lord, obey the commandments will be rewarded. of course nobody knows how few is few, but make sure that you are included in that few
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post Apr 20 2011, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 19 2011, 04:47 PM)
I know we are to work on the salvation, but how do you know if what  you are doing is right? Even each christian has his own justification and judgement, some christian says bow down to idol for certain special occassion is ok, as long as you know your heart is right with God, where some say can not, some still go to pubs oftenly some do not etc...

This is also another issue that arouse many arguements among christians. If you are saying salvation is by grace and faith, then those strong faith who eats offered food is ok while to those who has little faith eating offered food is a sin, both parties also correct; if both parties also correct, just the matter how strong one's faith is, then why are there so many arguements?
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true. there's always aguements among christians. take for example a church that I know does not celebrate christmas, because they said that there's no proof that Jesus was born on that day. that church also does not believe in the cross symbol, when u enter that church u wont see any symbol of cross, according to them christians are supposed to pray to Jesus not the cross, therefore putting or praying to the cross, even wearing it is not recommended.
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post Apr 20 2011, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Apr 20 2011, 02:37 AM)
true. there's always aguements among christians. take for example a church that I know does not celebrate christmas, because they said that there's no proof that Jesus was born on that day. that church also does not believe in the cross symbol, when u enter that church u wont see any symbol of cross, according to them christians are supposed to pray to Jesus not the cross, therefore putting or praying to the cross, even wearing it is not recommended.
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mind asking....u RC?
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QUOTE(bibie86 @ Apr 20 2011, 02:40 AM)
mind asking....u RC?
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no... why? do I sound like one? LOL

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