It's all been answered. Smyra, Macedonia, Jesus, exegesis full of holes, Material Wealth, Blessings.
1. You didn't bother to read or
2. You don't understand
If you did understand, then refute the new points. Repeating your old questions will only entitle to the old answers in kind.
, then there we have it, the problem to your demise.
What you want to hear is like saying I don't care what you have to say, I only want to hear what I want to hear.
You should try and look up the meaning of the word revelation.
First of all my devotion is open to all.
I don't force anyone to agree with me.
You're the one who got paranoid thinking I'm trying to change the scripture,
but people who have better discernment or comprehension would know I'm not.
You should certainly take the initiative to try read again and again if you think something is amiss.
I don't know if you're the type of reader who rush through impatiently but based on your repeated questions,
I have to assumed you are that type.
Because I've already highlighted the part where
you seeing the result is the
end result of your Faith not the beginning.
You definitely have to see your answered prayers with your eyes unless you're physically blind.
It doesn't get any easier to summarise this, If you're still adamant, use the dictionary and check what's the definition of end result.
Do you know the point God wanted to make when Abraham was commended for his Faith even though He didn't see it happen in his life time (Hebrews 11:29)?
The reason is this, Abraham was commended by God because
He held on believing He'll receive the promise even until his death.
That is the attitude God wants every believer to have. This attitude coincides with what I posted about
2 Corinthians 1:20
For no matter
how many promises God has made,
they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God..
Matthew 9:29
According to your faith will it be done to youSecondly learn and understand this.
There's nothing wrong with
prosperity teaching as long as you understand
everything you achieved,
every money that you have, every skills, talent and ability, every source of your Life comes from God (John 15:5, Deuteronomy 8:18, Philippians 4:19, etc)
and you
don't seek after it to the point
you lose focus on seeking God.(Matthew 6:33)New Age prosperity teaching by pass the Cross and focus too much on prosperity. That is wrong. I am well aware of what you're tying to point here.
2 Timothy 3:16 says
All Scripture is inspired by
God or God breath in some translation.
It
didn't say only certain part of the Bible or
only the New Testament is. Hebrews 4:12 Says the word of God is
Alive, Living, Active and Powerful.John 6:63 Says the word of God is
Spirit and Life.This means Every Book in the Bible, from Genesis all the way to Revelation is God inspired. Every part of the book would include Deuteronomy.
You can basically meditate the scripture from Genesis and to Revelation and by God's grace, He will speak to you.
I did not stretch or add anything into the scriptures. It says exactly what it is, that God is indeed in favour of prospering you.
Deuteronomy 8:18
But remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you the ability to produce
wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today
2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become
rich.
Deuteronomy 28:8
The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on
everything you put your hand to. The LORD your God will bless you in the land he is giving you.
Deuteronomy 15:10
Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in
all your work and in
everything you put your hand to.
Proverbs 3:9–10
Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;then your barns will be
filled to overflowing, and your vats
will brim over with new wine.
If you're going to fall back into denial, refer to 2 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 4:12 and John 6:63.
What has Jesus becoming poor has got to do with both Macedonia and Smryna?
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Jesus understood perfectly. He became poor so that through His sacrifice on the cross, He reconciled us back to God so that our Heavenly Father can reach to us and bless us with every blessing which include Material wealth, that's the meaning of the last part we become Rich.
Read the entire passage.
2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich. Macedonia is made know in the scripture for giving beyond what they have as you can see from the verse below.
This is about their generosity, not their poverty.
Even the NIV translation put the header Generosity in the Bible.
I feel that Macedonia is irrelevant to support your opinion. Look at the word below "I testify". That is the focus.
Smyra is an event in the future yet to happen. The Scripture tells us that they're going through some kind of affliction and their poverty is somehow related. The word Rich according to Barnes Note relates to God's favour and grace. Here if you study the scripture, God is acknowledging their (2) conditions. 1. Affliction 2. Poverty.
According to online dictionary the meaning of commend
to present, mention, or praise as worthy of confidence, notice, kindness, etc.
I believe you're hinting towards praise. But if you study the NIV translation below, Jesus says I know, He did say I praise your poverty. Again, I don't see how you're using this to support your preposition.
So what do you think?
Irrelevant. Jesus becoming poor has nothing to do with Macedonia and Smryna. As explained above.
The "whatever reason" is important because
that is what complete the meaning of 2 Corinthians 8:9. Otherwise you'll be quoting scripture out of context as you so evidently accuse me of.
Correct.
I've already explain above, the word commend is not suited because Jesus did not PRAISE (assuming that's what you meant). He
acknowledge their poverty
This is a matter of misunderstanding principal. Nothing to do with pleasing God.
You quote the part of Jesus being poor out of context. 2 Corinthians 8:9 never even mention about asking you as the believer to be poor and to follow as an example Because there are many things Jesus did by example and He asked us to follow. A good reference would be when He washed the disciple's feet. If we were to agree with your line of reasoning, then by Jesus walking on the water, We should give a try too? Common, have better sense.
Nope God is RIGHT to commend Smyra for their Faith.
Well if you think it's full of holes, I welcome your refuting points with better explanation,
don't just resort to just accusing, saying bad things about me and ask open ended questions which lead readers wondering what you're trying to say.
Already explained above and before and before, you go figure.
Which you rightly should.
Notice the word there
has? It didn't say will have.
Unless you don't believe, then I can't blame you.
Job, Abraham, Solomon Are extremely blessed in Material Wealth.
Not only them, but many Christians today, even Christian Businessman are richly blessed by God.
True enough as what you said, God is not against wealth.
If God wants to bless you, why should you claim self righteous morality to defy what God wants to give?
That is pride.
Then again, there's a group of Christians are in taboo especially when it come to this topic.
Why? Simple. They lack understanding out of fear.
Everything must be Scriptural based.
God's own words in the Bible says what it says. Even if you read it 100 times, it still says what it is.
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