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post Apr 3 2012, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 3 2012, 12:17 AM)
Not my church, some "churches" :/
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Ok.

QUOTE(Blackops981 @ Apr 3 2012, 12:18 AM)
Hey guys, I was approached by a Caucasian male in his 50's during the weekend and he handed me a pamphlet. It turned out to be an invitation, I have been cordially invited to attend to their commune or something and they're associated to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Now I've heard a lot of things about them and since you guys are more knowledgeable than I am when it comes to such matters I would like to ask about the differences of the aforementioned denomination as compared to the conventional ones such as Catholicism and whatnot. Enlighten me please.

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Everything is almost wrong with JW.

Their doctrine is not in line with the Bible.

They are the one who predicted the 2nd coming of Jesus on a certain date and it didn't happened.

My advise is don't go.

They are a new age cult.
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(SummerSunshine @ Apr 3 2012, 12:18 AM)
LOL old is old sleep.gif
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yup old enough to nag all you. laugh.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(fakeshadow @ Apr 3 2012, 12:26 AM)
hahaha it is good to have you here. at least an older one compared to us. spiritually more matured. btw how do you differentiate cult from the pure?
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Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is Way, the Truth and the Life. No one goes to the Father except through Him. (John 14:6)

JW do not believe in the Trinity and emphasize less on Christ.

The Bible did mention there are many form of Anti Christ.

Anti Christ is just basically anything not in line or distraction from the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the saviour.

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post Apr 3 2012, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(SummerSunshine @ Apr 3 2012, 12:26 AM)
I like old people.  happy.gif
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I think God put a care in my heart for all the sheep in /k/.

Jesus cares about his sheep.

I told God I'm willing to be used by Him to reach out.

So here I am.

But I also request those others who have similar burden to share the responsibility.


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post Apr 3 2012, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(replymela @ Apr 3 2012, 12:40 AM)
it'll be good to provide a list of cults.. I don't have it..
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http://www.watchman.org/index-of-cults-and-religions/


this is a complete list of cults and definition of religion.

The list contains everything, it doesn't mean everything inside there are cults.

As summarised from the link.

This Index contains brief definitions, descriptions or cross references on over 1,200 religious organizations and beliefs, as well as world religions (including Christianity) and related doctrines.

I don't know if there's a better list than watchman.


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post Apr 3 2012, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 3 2012, 12:44 AM)
Is illuminati real?
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organization is real but as to the conspiracy and hype attach to it, I don't really know, neither really care much about it.
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 3 2012, 01:03 AM)
Some say they worship the devil.
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Well no big deal, don't have to get afraid or hype about these organizations. I mean what the heck, there's even Satan's Church which is really a direct slap on the face (face palm.jpg)

What matters is that you know who you are in Christ. That's more important.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(replymela @ Apr 3 2012, 01:13 AM)
yeah. They are correct in all except one part.. If i remember correctly , they believe must baptise only considered christian.
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Well they also claim they are the only true church in the world and salvation can only be found in their organization.

And they use manipulative controls on most of their discipleship, like pressure to evangelize and are forced to contribute a significant proportion of their income to the church.

Kinda extreme IMO.
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post Apr 3 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 3 2012, 09:56 AM)
I enjoyed this today:

Christ as the Cornerstone for God’s building (see Psalm 118). Many believers praise Christ as the Lamb of God, being filled with appreciation for what Christ has done for us on the cross for our redemption. But the Bible reveals time and time again that Christ is the stone for God’s building – He is at least nine kinds of stones for the building of God. It is so easy to enjoy Christ only as the Lamb of God, but He is also the Stone – rejected by the builders but set by God in the head of the corner! May we see the importance of Christ being the stone for God’s building!

The Bible reveals Christ in at least nine aspects as the stone, the rock, for God’s building work. Christ is the eternal rock (Isa. 26:4; Matt. 16:18), the foundation stone (Isa. 28:16; 1 Cor. 3:11), the living stone (1 Pet. 2:4), the cornerstone (v. 6; Acts 4:11; Eph. 2:20; Psa. 118:22; Isa. 28:16), the precious stone (v. 16; 1 Pet. 2:4, 6-7), the topstone (Zech. 4:7), the cleft rock (Exo. 17:6; 1 Cor. 10:4), the crushing stone (Dan. 2:34-35; Matt. 21:44b), and the stone of stumbling (Isa. 8:14; Rom. 9:33). Wow, what a Christ!

Do we experience Christ in our Christian life as the stone for God’s building in a positive way in all these aspects? What are we actually building in our life? We may have our project, our career, our family life, our business, etc – but does Christ fit in our project? Is Christ the foundation stone? Do we take Christ as the cornerstone supporting the whole building? What about the finish, the conclusion, the topstone? If our career is for God’s building, Christ will fit and He will become the cornerstone! But when we have “our own thing going on”, our own project, we may be like the Jewish builders, rejecting Christ as the stone.

In the ancient times the Jews used to build their dwellings with at least three main stones: the foundation stone (a large rock on which to put the building), the cornerstone (a strong support, equivalent to today’s columns), and the topstone (the roof, joining all the building together). We need to experience Christ as the foundation stone – especially in the times of troubles we are experiencing Christ as the foundation stone for the church. Christ is the only foundation which has been laid by God – there is no other foundation that man may lay! Christ is the rock on which we build, which can withstand the storm and the tide.

After we experience Christ as the foundation stone, we will gradually experience Christ as the cornerstone – the One who joins the building of God together. Who holds us together in the church, the building of God? It is not having the same doctrine or our preference – it is Christ as the cornerstone for God’s building! The walls may be solid, we may be constituted with the truth, but we need to be connected and joined by Christ as the cornerstone. All this is experienced and made real to us in the church life – outside of the church life, we cannot experience Christ as the stone for God’s building. Praise the Lord for the church life!
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Dear Friends,

The only way to let Christ be our cornerstone or foundation is to put our Christian Life into practice.
There's no other way.

When you do that as what Pehkay posted, then our lives will be strong and unshakable, even when troubles come.

*just like how wintersuN ask whether it's wrong for Christian to gamble.

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post Apr 4 2012, 12:14 AM

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Man is spiritually and morally bankrupt!

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Romans 3:23

for All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


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Ecclesiastes 7:20

There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins.


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1 John 1:8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.




God is basically saying everyone, literally mean every single human being on earth.

I look at my own life before knowing God.

I lied, I cheat, had murderous thoughts, watched pornography, full of pride, egoistic, really hated everybody, etc etc.

The list is long. If there are millions like me, the world would be a messed. Guess what? There are billions like me on planet earth. That is the real fact.

That's why the world is a big mess. That's is the problem with Sin.

The best part is, by Today's standard what is considered morally detestable decades ago is acceptable today.

People curse and swear as if it's nothing. People steal and cheat and say it's nothing. People sin in lust and promiscuity and says it's nothing. People mistreat and hurt others out of insecurity and thinks it's nothing.

What they don't realize is, it's nothing to them but it's something to others. Every act of sin has a cause and effect on people. It hurts people.

Hurts beget Hurts. Eye for an Eye. It's a chain effect. problem is, nobody knows how far the damage cycle last. I'll tell you, it spreads non stop. That is the truth.

Take for example, rude driver A drives carelessly to intimidate and mistreat other drivers B,C,D, etc. Those victims (B,C,D) of the bully in return, mistreat others out of disgruntled treatment (E,F,G, etc) and hence the 3rd wave of mistreated victim mistreat others. They (E,F,G,etc) go to office, emotionally disturbed, mistreat their co-workers (H,I,J) and the (H,I,J) evening come home from work mistreat their wives, kid, etc.

The list goes on and on. The pyramid effect is really wide spread and hard to be contained.

God is right. Man is spiritually and morally bankrupt . There's nothing to argue about this really.

There are people who says they're basically good and don't really believe that he/she fallen short in sin.
That's basically is self righteousness and it's a form of prideful sin.


What is really disturbing is, the bible says:

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John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light (Jesus) has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.


In the last days, Man is so corrupted and morally bankrupt, they actually love Sin rather than doing what is right.

I believe this moral decay is deeply rooted by the world's philosophy.

The believe system that are of this world basically ingrained everyone to look to self and be self-centred.

ME ME ME I I I.

Study all the religions of this world and all of them is basically teaching everyone to be self centred, self focus, self zen realization to self salvation/enlightenment, etc.

Self Effort is corrupt and stain with Sin.

How can spiritually and morally bankrupt Man alleviate themselves when they themselves are stained? You get the idea.

It's like this, if you killed someone, no matter how many good deeds you've done, you still did killed someone.

That is never going to be erased. Whatever good deeds you do, is not in the least remotely related to the murder you've done.

If your other good deeds are not even remotely related to the wrong you have done, how can your other good actions cancelled out your wrongs?

Answer is, it's never going to. You have to answer for each wrong you've done.

So if Today,

Anyone says that Man's own effort is good enough to bring him to his own salvation, to me that is like digging your own pit 10 miles deep and say you can climb out without a rope. It's a hypocritical statement.



But there is hope. Our Hope is in Jesus.

Why Jesus? Because the Man who knew no sin and is without Sin came to our world to be punished for our sins and iniquity so that we do not have to.

He is the perfect example of where to put our Hope in.

And He has done it, overcome all Man's imperfection, Flaws and sin. That is the best part.

To the point even death could not hold him and is raised from the grave.

The point is this, all the world's system of believe points to self effort and their model of hope is either dead, non existence or ever unsure.

Our model of hope Lives Today.

Hallelujah. Praise n Glory to God.


God Bless.

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post Apr 4 2012, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Apr 3 2012, 09:01 PM)
Is it true that if I am a guy, I cannot pray and intercede for a girl?

e.g I go to a female and lay hands on her to pray for her.
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Nothing wrong IMO.
Just make sure you do it in public and lay your hand correctly on the head. laugh.gif


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post Apr 4 2012, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(Blackops981 @ Apr 4 2012, 12:19 AM)
Thanks, won't be attending anyway I was just curious.
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post Apr 4 2012, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Apr 4 2012, 02:45 AM)
Oh I did. But my hands were on her shoulder instead.

I was reprimanded by a more "Senior" Christian who said it's best to leave this to a female "leader" to do prayer for "female" follower although we have the same holy spirit unless the "Preacher" is a male then he's allowed to lay hands on a female.

I was like in my mind "huh ? then how did Jesus first minister to females? he must be a girl then in order to do this ?"
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Normally laying of hand are pointed directly to the person and you don't have to necessary touch anyone.

It can be done from a distance and still be effective. I do pray for Male and Female and most of the time I do it from a distance without touching.

This actually have to do with the Flesh. And if you suspect as to why, yes it also has to do with temptations of the flesh.

Physical contact is after all very personal space for some. Some people, even a normal pat on the back, they are overwhelm in emotions. Girls are emotional creatures.

Best not to arouse any potential "whatever".

The scripture did mention that even a bad thought about somebody is equivalent to murder. Why? Because from thoughts, it give birth to consequential effects that leads to actions. That is why Jesus says if your hands cause you to steal, it's better to chop it off. Jesus is speaking figuratively to cut off your thoughts before anything happens.

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1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.


Although this sounds kinda extreme, but all scripture is God inspired and it is the truth.

Don't feel bad or discourage, give yourself time, you will come to see the understanding of it as you mature.


Leaders are God appointed and they have been given authority to pray, to bless, etc. Yes in that sense they pray for all. But even their laying of hands are normally done on the head, no where else. But you notice most Preachers or Leaders are of aged and they are experience.

The scripture says

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1 Peter 5:5-6

Young men, in the same way be submissive to those who are older. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time.
This scripture is basically saying we are to submit to Church Elders and Leaders because they are ordained by God.

But if you humble yourself by being obedient, God will raise you up to a higher position to minster to others. God is indeed looking for the right candidate who can stay in the spot light and yet not get burned. Humble yourself. smile.gif


I hope the explanation helps.

P.S: I'm not saying you cannot pray and intercede for a girl. Just do it in a group of believers and as above, stretch your hands without contact.



God Bless.

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post Apr 4 2012, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(fghvbn @ Apr 4 2012, 05:19 PM)
hmm.gif hmm ok, looks like things got complicated.

Anyway my intentions were pure and I did it with other group of believers around so.... yeah anyway I still feel it's a little too strict.

It's as if saying that "if I touch any girl, I will feel sexually arouse" or like you said "the girl will feel emotional".

Gosh sleep.gif even I do feel emotional when a guy pray to me, does that mean I am literally gay? No, it's the Holy Spirit that is dealing with me.
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Nah don't get upset, just be your best everyday, humble yourself, be obedient, love everyone, be at peace.
And God will promote you.



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post Apr 4 2012, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(Patrick Star @ Apr 4 2012, 09:51 PM)
you hear God's voice before?
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Yes. His still small voice.


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post Apr 4 2012, 11:51 PM

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Night Devotion.

Evidence for Jesus

We all know that Michael Jackson was a real person in history because most of us seen him on Television, His Albums, His Biography, etc.
The younger generation might not know him but if they ever come across his album, they just might be intrigue to know what's so special about him.

But What about after 2000 years later? That's about 200 decades. Will his legacy live on to tell his existence?
IF somebody preserve his records, yes. He will be remembered for his music.

What about Jesus Christ then? Sceptics argued that Jesus only "exist" in the Bible. One of the underlying assumptions is that Christians created the Bible and that makes it untrustworthy.

Consider then these several ancient non-Christian sources that confirm the facts about Jesus Christ. Best part is, many of these writers were hostile to Christianity.

Cornelius Tacitus - Cornelius Tacitus was a Roman historian. Tacitus refers to Christ in the Annals, which he wrote in 115 AD.

Thallus - Thallus in 52 AD, wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean world from the Trojan War to his day. He referred to Jesus in Julius Africanus, Chronography 18.1

Pliny the Younger - Pliny was the governor of Bythnia in Asia Minor. His letters testify of Christ being worshipped as God.

Gaius Seutonis Tranquillas - Seutonis was the chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian (117-138 AD). He wrote that Christ was the reason for Christ was the reason for the Jewish and Roman riots.

Lucian - Lucian was a second century Greek satirist. He spoke very negatively of Christians and an account of Christ being crucified.

Celsus - Celsus was a Roman Philosopher who wrote a work in 177 AD, criticizing the Christians who worshipped a Man.

Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD) - Josephus was a member of the Pharisees who became a historian for the Roman Empire and wrote a detail account of Jesus.

Talmud - The Jewish Talmud records the oral traditions of the Jews. This compilation began in the first century AD and was completed by 200 AD. In Sanhedrin 43, a reference is made of Christ.


Dear Friends, by these non Christian account, it's hard to accept that Jesus was a myth. It's beyond a shadow of doubt, He is real and was recorded in history. Their writings testify and complements the writing of the scripture in the Bible.

If He's REAL then we need to considered ALL that transpired about what Jesus says about himself.

Jesus says He is the only way to God and He says it with unswerving firm authority.

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John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


If his words challenges your belief today. Perhaps, He is the one you are looking for all your life.


God Bless.

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This is dedicated for all the young people out there.

Walk on the water.





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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Apr 5 2012, 04:23 PM)
ayam so sad always when watching this this mv cry.gif
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I think if Jesus is anything like depicted in this movie, He's awesomely beautiful.
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Apr 5 2012, 03:47 PM)
My lord my god why haf u forsaken me
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Stop using your natural eyes to see and understand him.

Use your spiritual eyes of Faith.

Understand what is Faith and why Faith.

Then you will see and understand.
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QUOTE(SummerSunshine @ Apr 5 2012, 05:50 PM)
That is the song I always hear in camps I joined last time. and I always feel touched happy.gif
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God is more touched if all of us are willing to give Him the sovereignty and the right to be led by Him in our life.

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