If its predestined to be that way, it would be in that way anyway

Isn't it pathetic then? God wants us to extend every single request to Him, God says He knows what we want, pray and believe you have received, and it will be given to you, in the end He sends us the wrong person that betrays us and make us broke down in despair.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Apr 7 2011, 05:01 PM

In the middle of every difficulty lies an opportunity - Albert Einstien

Don’t find fault. Find a remedy. – Henry Ford

Not really biblical words from the Bible but it just might be God inspired words of wisdom that any person can take.

First of all i believe God wants us to marry the right person for each other. But the choice is up to us. We can ask God who we wana marry, pray about it etc. He may/may not give an answer. If He gives blessed is he/she. If not, He probably wants you to use your own wisdom, maturity and judgment.

God wants us to extend all our hearts content to Him , yes. But He isnt forcing. Its one's choice. Freewill. If God didnt give freewill then we are akin to being under dictatorship by a super-all-mighty leader. Its not God's nature.

Therefore it isnt God that marries two ppl together. He would give a certain degree of blessing (like good finance, children, or good home) but He does not force marriage. Marriage is the mutual agreement between two souls to join together in matrimony (which shud be holy and sacred). Its up to the two individuals. God cannot stop a marriage even He finds it unsuitable because He cannot go against His nature of freewill to let the creations He loves to share life together.

God knows what every person needs and wants. But He cannot possibly force upon someone anything he/she doesnt want, even though it maybe good. Having said that, God isnt really keen to punish those who dont listen to Him. He would watch your steps, and He wouldnt lead you to a dead end. But if one does end up in a dead end, thats where one can ask God (if the person wants) for a solution.

If it is in Gods plan that ones path is slightly narrow, hard, difficult, or painful..........dont find fault. Find a solution. And that can either be turning to God, praying, counseling etc. In the middle of difficulties, lies an opportunity to seek God. I mean, still the choice to seek is up to the person. God doesnt control ones feelings, mind, emotions, decisions. Those are entirely up to the person. Its just that God will always be ready for a change of plans. Its probably like God has even planned to have unplanned plans to plan for unplanned circumstances. In God there isnt a Plan B. I , nor anyone can ever understand how God works coz He's just too big for our tiny minds.

Thats my sharing.

As a Christian myself, what if I tell you that aside from reading the Bible, you have to seek and summon your own spirituality to understand what it ALL TRULY means?

Do not fight fire with fire. Those who are victorious are represented by presence and example, not by instant gratification versus instant gratification.

Live, and believe, and you shall be revealed the answers.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Apr 7 2011, 10:01 PM

Well, not that bad. I mean, come on...God manifested as a human, got broken into pieces, nailed too. Even more despair. You wanna try?

Many people missed this very important point.

When man is in pain and ask God questions, He did not give answers.

He gave Himself.

If He has paid the debt on our behalf, then why can't He blesses each person who sincerely and genuinely ask for a committed spouse?

Why some have long lasting loving marriage life but some do not?

Why some good christians suffers even though they truly seek guidance beforehand?

I was once thought like "It's not that bad, just move on, etc" but when things really happen on you, you just can't tell yourselves what you ever thought.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Apr 7 2011, 10:37 PM

WTF? y u no add me?! this is against my rights. pls la unker this aint your forum ok. im trying to be a good christian and network with my peers but you aint letting me

The debt was paid so that our sins can be forgiven and the link between humans and God is restored. Meaning we can have access to His rich blessings and favours etc. It DOESNT guarantee sin/troubles/grief/bad stuffs WILL be removed permanently, as long as we are here in this sinful troublesome earth. Thats obstacle no.1

The other obstacle is the devil aka Mr S.A.Tan who just wants to steal kill and destroy lives. Thats obstacle no.2

He wants to bless everyone YES. You are right here. But not everyone has asked. So He wont force a blessing on anyone. I want to bless you with a really nice dinner, but you dont want to eat. So it cannot be forced though it is good. God respects ppls choice.

And those who asked , some get it. Good then. Some dont get? God said that His grace is more than sufficient for our needs. If you dont get what you asked, still those who surrender under God's mighty hands are covered by His grace still to get tru the bad times. Why sometimes God doesnt give what ppl asked for? This is something nobody can answer except God Himself. But His reasons are always with a purpose. Are we to just believe in God JUST SO we can get all the blessings? I think God has something higher for us than just living with blessings. He wants us to live EMPOWERED to do great and mighty stuff. That is the core of Gods purpose. The blessings are just side bonuses if you will.

Why good christians suffer? Coz we are all in the same wicked and sinful earth. We are not immune. The only place we wont suffer is in heaven.

The vision God has for everyone is far greater than many will think/see. But alot of the times, even christians together and non christians see what is in front of their eyes, or what is predominantly on their minds.

If you really want to know what God actually wants from us or wants us to do, i can only share these few verses :

Matthew 22:36-40 (The Message)

The Most Important Command
34-36When the Pharisees heard how he had bested the Sadducees, they gathered their forces for an assault. One of their religion scholars spoke for them, posing a question they hoped would show him up: "Teacher, which command in God's Law is the most important?"

37-40Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from them."


Matthew 28:16-20 (The Message)

16-17Meanwhile, the eleven disciples were on their way to Galilee, headed for the mountain Jesus had set for their reunion. The moment they saw him they worshiped him. Some, though, held back, not sure about worship, about risking themselves totally.

18-20Jesus, undeterred, went right ahead and gave his charge: "God authorized and commanded me to commission you: Go out and train everyone you meet, far and near, in this way of life, marking them by baptism in the threefold name: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Then instruct them in the practice of all I have commanded you. I'll be with you as you do this, day after day after day, right up to the end of the age."

u r so un-christian now..

you are not my lord and saviour and shepard. please dont judge me or you shall be cast into hell. lett he who is not withouteth sin casteth the first stoneth

This post has been edited by mekboyz: Apr 7 2011, 11:24 PM

You're doing it all wrong.

spouse problem?? and you hoping god would actually gives a response?

its kindda absurd dont you agree considering how many ppl around the globe suffered more serious problems,.. famine, deceases etc that leads death to some of the love 1. and now you having problem with god because of some relationship problem?

i got a question here:

isnt that the 10 commandment has been fulfill by Jesus?

therefore we dont just obey for the sake of obeying God's law but instead obeying it because Jesus had died for us? which is also means that Jesus told us to obey the 10 commandments therefore we should do it?

1 of the example which is the 4th 1. the sabbath. actually we no need to go church on saturday, instead we gather on sunday. so actually means that Jesus had been fulfilled this commandments, therefore we need to obey the other 9 to show our love to God?

This post has been edited by thken: Apr 8 2011, 12:00 AM

try reading about Job. You're not alone.

The 10 commandments were Laws written because ppl in the time before Jesus came only know how to obey instructions by rules and written guidelines. Thats why God had to write it down so the Israelites could read and understand them. It was the only way to keep them from sinning and to obey Gods commands.

When Jesus came, He came as the sacrifice for anyone who broke those laws, and therefore completing/fulfilling them from start to end (life to death) (Not just the 10, but all of Gods laws) (Penalty of sinning against Gods laws is death). We obey because we have opened our eyes and seen that its good to obey some good common sense that God has for us or else we will be like sheep without a shepherd.

The 4th commandment was to keep the sabbath day holy (means to honour a special day for God as He has determined). In the old days its saturday. Nowdays its sunday (popularly). But it doesnt mean we cannot have church on saturday. We can. Just what God means was keep one day of the weekend for Him to gather as a church, worship praise and listen to Gods word together. The purpose of sunday/saturday church is to GATHER TOGETHER and WORSHIP + LISTEN to Gods Word and experience Him deeper.

So it shud be we love God so much that when we are filled in our hearts with Gods love, and the Holy Spirit, it will be natural to follow His commandments. The Holy Spirit has a nature of being righteous. This is our conscience. NOT we obey the commandments to show God we love Him. Its different. But because our sinful body and mind still has the potential to sin, therefore sometimes its good to read these laws as reminders. Not to condem ourselves or use it to judge others.

So if you ask. SHOULD WE? Yes we should.

But it is humanly impossible and i dare say no Christian can ever keep all of Gods law. Simply coz we have a sinners nature in us all (passed by Adam n Eve). If we sin we die (Die as in our spirit will be destroyed in hell, seperated from God forever). Christ died so that His blood can wash our sins. God see's Christ blood as the only thing able to redeem all sins. And the only way to receive Christ blood is by believing in His death and resurrection on the cross.

To receive Christ blood is to be forgiven. Once forgiven , we are empowered with many things to do according to Gods purposes.

To those who think God is being unfair to them.

Listen.

Until you understood the meaning of pain and sadness, you will never understand the importance of happiness.

The universe is created in such a way that pain is an inevitable prerequisite, so much so as to give new meanings to those who overcome it.

Because if pain is so unbearable, I tell you the truth.

Happiness is not what you're getting usually, but rather, it is in abundance.

It is painful I know.

You ask questions.

You complain.

And what did God do?

He did not answer your questions.

He gave no answers.

Instead, he gave Himself...that inevitably leads Him to the cross.

Do y'all understand that you may be asking the wrong questions?

When you asked, why let me suffer the pain?

He did not give you answers. He gave Himself, and my goodness, how much pain has he given unto Himself.

Not only did He suffered, but He ACTUALLY DIED.

Wouldn't that be the saddest way to answer of painful questions about our problems?

You bet it does.

But I suppose y'all know the story.

The Resurrection. It changes everything. Pain and Death was faced, and defeated utterly.

The pain and happiness network and algorithms that God created is so bizarre that even one with full wisdom about pain will experience pain. The only reassurance right here is for wisdom to enlightened within us, to tell us that happiness exist in all of these pain, except that it MUST go through the process of pain.

One exception. Only those who are completely enlightened with pure wisdom, can actually experience happiness all year round, with minimal pain in life, unlike most people. But if we do not possess such wisdom, then you BETTER LOVE the HARD WAY than TAKING THE EASY WAY OUT.

Such is the system between pain and joy. Remember the story of one who owes more money than the other person. When the creditor decided that both do not need to pay their debts anymore, who will the one with the most joy? The one who owes the most money, i.e the most pain.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Apr 8 2011, 12:56 AM

having evil thoughts is not satan telling us what to do, its just jekyll and hyde bickering.

and having a religion is like having a phony lucky charm. another way of putting it, when a bear was spotted in springfield, a bear patrol was initiated.

homer: ahhh, not a bear in sight. the bear patrol must be working like a charm.

lisa: thats specious reasoning, dad.

homer: thank you honey.

lisa: (picking up a rock) by your logic, i could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

homer: ooo, how does it work?

lisa: it doenst work, its just a stupid rock. but i dont see any tigers around here, do you?

homer: lisa, i want to buy your rock.

The one who steal, kill and destroy is not Satan. Read the whole chapter of it and you will see. At first I also thought the same but it actually is not.

No. I don't think this is absurd to consider betraying spouse is hurtful. When you actually sacrifice yourselves, time, efforts, you genuinely work on it for so many years but in the end he betrays you.