you can get the np8170 with the gtx485m.

try to customize it in mucro.asia.

Even the X7200. Very stupid business practice haha.
Yeah I read the whole thread during my spare time haha, it was pretty bad. NBR users don't think highly of Eurocom.
There are two 17" laptops offered by Sager/Clevo. Both of them mentioned above; the Clevo X7200 and the Sager NP8170.

The NP8170 does not have SLI (dual GPU), but currently it is faster than the M17x R3 because the M17x does not have 485M as a config (correct me if I'm wrong here) and the NP8170 can have the 6970m and the GTX 470/485M. However, the M17x has dual GPU solutions.

The X7200 however destroys the M17x R3. Why? It is the only 17" laptop that has desktop processors built in AND dual GPU solution, while running cool. But it is quite heavy...

Cubehub SG and other usa/europe/aus reseller also sell it. You can get Clevo x7200 (a.k.a NP7280) in any reseller. (refer to product catalogue at 1st post)

based on review, the battery can last more than 2 hours. The speaker config is 2.1 (except NP7280 which have 5.1), THX certified.

NP5160/NP5170/8130/NP8150/NP8170 can add extra hard drive in optical drive slot.
NP7280 have two hard drive slot and can add extra in optical slot.

Spec comparison (not include shipping)

Alienware M17x - $1,724.00

PROCESSOR - Intel® Core™ i7 2630QM 2.0GHz (2.8GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache)
OPERATING SYSTEM - Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit
MEMORY - 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz (2DIMMS)
VIDEO CARD - 1.5GB GDDR5 Nvidia GeForce GTX 460M
HARD DRIVE - 320GB 7,200RPM HDD
LCD PANEL - 17.3-inch WideFHD 1920 x 1080 60Hz WLED
WIRELESS CARD - Wireless 802.11 g/n
INTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVE - Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
SYSTEM COLOR Alienware M17x, Soft Touch Stealth Black
WARRANTY AND SERVICE - 1 Year Basic Plan
SOUND OPTIONS - Internal High-Definition 5.1 Surround Sound Audio
POWER ADAPTERS - Alienware M17x 240W A/C Adapter + battery
Sager NP8170 - $1,513.08 (config in cubehub)

Display: 17.3" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Video & Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 460M GPU with 1.5GB GDDR5 Video Memory
CPU Processor: 2nd Generation Intel® Core? i7-2630QM Processor ( 6MB L3 Cache 2.00GHz)
Thermal Compound: Stock Standard Thermal Compound
Operating System: Genuine MS Windows® 7 Home Premium 32/64-Bit Edition ( 64-Bit Preloaded ) (add 90)
Memory: 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 X 2GB
RAID Storage Options : Non-RAID Storage
Primary Hard Disk Drive: 320GB 7200rpm SATA 300 Hard Drive
2nd Hard Disk Drive: None
Optical Drive : 8X DVD±R/RW/4X DL Super-Multi Drive
Caddy Case Options: None
Wireless Network Card: Internal 802.11 B G N Wireless LAN Bluetooth Combo Module
Primary Battery: Smart Li-ION Battery Pack
TV-Tuner: None
Microsoft Office:New! Microsoft Office Starter 2010 - Included in Price
Warranty:CubeHub 1 Year ASEAN Limited Warranty (Both Way Shipment covered) US warranty covered (add 100)

not sure about student discount, but cubehub offers discount if pay by cash/cheque/bank draft
better e-mail them. You may get accurate answers.

I think there should be a FAQ in the first post... So that people don't ask repeated questions. Not trying to discourage people from asking but there has been a lot of the same questions going around...

E.g. Warranty (How to claim, How it works, Who has the best, etc.)
Tax (Customs Tax, Delivery Tax, etc.)
Payment (Who accepts what, How to pay, Bank Account Number(s), etc.)
Discounts (Who are entitled, How much of a discount, What type of discount, etc.)
Resellers (List of resellers, Contact info, "Review" of the resellers)
Shipping (Price, Who has the "lowest" charges, etc.)

Again, I am not trying to discourage people from asking questions but there should be a FAQ section in the first post and hopefully it would be implemented.

I'm quite busy so I can't really help much in finding the needed info. Scream at me in PM if you want.

^

Don't worry. I'll try to compile all repeated questions into FAQs. I forgot to reserve the second post to add more info, so first post considered crowded already.
I may not be able to provide answers for warranty/tax/discounts since I don't own the unit. I can ask other users to give some info on it.

Yes you are able to install a second HDD/SSD to the NP8170. So you have 2 HDD plus a DVD drive. If I am right, you can go as far as having 3 HDDs, if you take the DVD drive out. I do not have the NP8170, but I can say that the sound should be better than the M17x R3 because the NP8170 has a subwoofer, that adds some "ummpph" into the sound.

And also I am wrong about the M17x R3 having two GPUs; I just read that it only has one GPU. So clearly I think the Sager will be the winner, unless you are after nice lights and things.

Battery should about about 3 hours, medium brightness without doing much.

What happened to my Alienware (It's an M17x R2 by the way that has two GPUs)? http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=40140204

And the Clevo x7200 is quite common in many resellers (it is also called Sager 7280).
Mucro sells it here: http://www.mucro.asia/index.php?/Mucro-Sag...-NP7280-S1.html
XoticPC: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7280s1-clev...200-p-2935.html

Well if ure not much into gaming better take np5170

Well, the M17x can last longer because they enabled Sandybridge's GPU, and they only have the GTX 460m as an option now. Sager didn't enable this because they know Sandybridge's GPU has driver and compatibility issues. However, you are buying a gaming laptop, and battery life is never really part of the equation. And I did not purchase extra batteries, because seriously, I don't game on batteries. You get half of your performance by using batteries. If I'm doing work or whatever I'm fine with running 3 hours.

You can add Windows 7 by yourself, if you think it's cheaper. This is entirely up to you. I already have a Windows CD before, so I didn't order Windows with my laptop.

And XoticPC, you have to send it to USA with shipping...sorry. They stated this in their website:

"This warranty is only good in the United States of America. Repairs are only done at the US factory. In the unlikely event that you would have to return your computer for warranty repairs when outside the US, you would have to pay for the shipping/handling and insurance to and from the Repair Center.

*sigh* I've sent in my order to Cubehub last week (with wire transfer as payment), until now, no one has gotten back to me in regards to their bank account's details... sien...

I think I'll go for the NP8170... convenient for SSD+HDD+DVD...
No need to take out the DVD for the 2nd bay...

if budget constrains you to get 485m, you can pick hd6970m

Hell yes.

Are we spoon feeding? lol

The answer lies behind www.google.com

HD 6970 is better than GTX 460m a lot
GTX 485 is slightly better than or almost the same as HD 6970

EXACTLY! Why so many ppl says that Mucro is cheaper??

It's always the most expensive when I configure NP8150-S1!

Check this out:
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MUCRO.ASIA = RM5,309.80

and,
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MALIBAL=USD1,634.00 (before 3% discount), after discount and conversion of RM4,802.98 (assuming USD1.00 = RM3.03)

So where got cheaper??!?!