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dreamer101
post Feb 16 2011, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(SevenTwentyOne @ Feb 16 2011, 10:12 AM)
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SevenTwentyOne,

When you asked the WRONG question, you will NEVER get the RIGHT answer!!!

The CORRECT question should be

If you are NOT passionate about something, how could you DEVOTE 100% of your time and effort on IT?? Money can ONLY motivate a person so much...

Now, if you are REALLY passionate about something, why would you CARE whether you ACHIEVE anything out of it?? The JOURNEY is the REWARD.

It is OBVIOUS that you are NOT passionate about anything yet.

So, have you EVER do something just because you LOVE it?? And, you DO NOT CARE whether you get something out of it?? That is PASSION!!!

Dreamer

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post Feb 17 2011, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(SevenTwentyOne @ Feb 16 2011, 10:27 AM)
Dreamer,

I believe my question is crystal clear; How to achieve wealth why maintaining your passion in doing things you want as practical as possible.
Yes, without passion, one wouldn't care to put his fullest of attention here. Well said.
This is not pragmatic enough, sir. Because if you having difficulties to put food on the table and fulfilling the basic of Maslow's, passion could be rather a superfluous dream only.

While for the rest, there is no Points of Informations as they are not relevant. However thanks a lot for your reply. Especially from a forummer of your calibre.

Regards,
721
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SevenTwentyOne,

<<How to achieve wealth >>

Your question is NOT on how to put food on table. It is ON how to achieve wealth.

And, I had answered the QUESTION. Without PASSION, you cannot PUT in the EFFORT needed to achieve wealth and success.

Dreamer


Added on February 17, 2011, 11:19 pm
QUOTE(dkk @ Feb 16 2011, 08:22 PM)
How do you measure success? A pile of money in your bank account or making an impact on the world?

Was Mother Theressa successful?

In the software world, what about people like Linus Thorvalds, Larry Wall, or even Richard M Stallman. People who did not seek to maximize the money they get from what they make. They've certainly left their mark in the computer world. But they did seek to turn it into a big pile of cash like what Marc Andreesson got. Not to say that doing so is bad or evil in anyway. But does refraining from doing so mark you as unsuccessful?
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dkk,

It is VERY SIMPLE. If you are living in lifestyle that you are happy with and doing the things that you like, you are SUCCESSFUL.

YOU determine whether you are successful. YOU compare what you are and have versus what your goal is. If you are HAPPY and CONTENT, you are SUCCESSFUL.

Nobody else know whether you are successful except by detecting whether you are HAPPY.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Feb 17 2011, 11:19 PM
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post Feb 18 2011, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(SevenTwentyOne @ Feb 18 2011, 02:20 AM)
Dreamer,

According to your saying, would it all come under this precedent: Passion-->>Effort-->>Hardworking-->>Money-->>Wealth ?
If it is so, then you are indeed indicating the 5 levels contained in the Hierarchy Of Needs

According to m-w.com, passion, other than the often capitalized usage in the biblical studies, are:
intense, driving, or overmastering feeling or conviction

Hence, if one needs to make things right first, conviction is needed, hence passion.
Good one indeed.

However still, this is still NOT enough to make a person to achieve something groundbreaking I believed, and I also thinks that my believe is nothing since it is not from a scholar, but still there is a missing piece of virtue that is ultimately needed to ensure not a conviction, but a FULL and UNDIVIDED one. Ideas are needed here, dreamer.

Regards, 721.
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SevenTwentyOne,

Whether that is ENOUGH or NOT, that is a SEPARATE question. But, without PASSION, you will NEVER START and SUSTAIN your effort. Hence, you will not have a SHOT to achieve anything significant to begin with.

Do you UNDERSTAND something SIMPLE??

You could ONLY put in YOUR EFFORT and give your BEST SHOT. There is NEVER a guarantee that you will be successful. You could NEVER control all the external variables that determine the FINAL OUTCOME. But, if you do not give your BEST SHOT, your chance of succeeding is even lower.

Focus and execution. The rest is up to God / Karma.

Dreamer

P.S.: My statement is from the FIRST HAND OBSERVATION of my life and many of my friends and family members.

P.S.2: How old are you?? What have you done in your life?? There are things that I could tell you but until you experienced it yourself, you will not understand what I am talking about.


Added on February 18, 2011, 6:47 am
QUOTE(teongpeng @ Feb 17 2011, 11:29 PM)
Actually, as long as you achieve what you want to achieve then you are succesful.
A successful person would then be simply categorized as one who constantly achieve their goals.
It has nothing to do with how you feel.
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teongpeng,

The SECRET of Happiness is contentment.

Contentment = achieving goal.

They go together...

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Feb 18 2011, 08:06 AM
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post Feb 18 2011, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Feb 18 2011, 09:33 AM)
First of all i wasnt talking about happiness. i was talking about the definination of success.

Second of all, contentment IS NOT about achieving goals. Contentment is about having no more goals to achieve.


Added on February 18, 2011, 9:35 amThus the purpose of this thread. We know that wealth does not lead to happiness. But the question is, can happiness lead to wealth?
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teongpeng,

I am content NOW. It does not mean that I have no more goal to achieve in the FUTURE. But, I had achieved what I wanted to achieve NOW.

Past is gone. Future is uncertain. What you have is NOW. Live at the MOMENT.

Dreamer


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post Feb 18 2011, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Feb 18 2011, 09:46 AM)
This is correct. However as a practitioner of zen, you should also understand that success or achievement arent only revolved around getting a result. Look deeper, the very act of doing, the very act of putting in your best effort, is already a success because the journey is now the the goal. When your goal is just to do your best, and you did your best, you are already succesful in that goal.


Added on February 18, 2011, 9:47 amYou may be content now, but if you have future goals to achieve then you are no longer content. Can you understand this?
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teongpeng,

1) I understand non-attachment. Just too hard to explain...

You may be content now, but if you have future goals to achieve then you are no longer content. Can you understand this?

2) So what?? That is the future's problem!! Zen means LIVE NOW. Aka, at the MOMENT. Always at the moment. Be the best. Do the best that you could NOW. Let's tomorrow take care of the tomorrow's problem.

3) You do not live at tomorrow. You LIVE NOW. And, NOW is all you have...

Dreamer



 

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