I think most of u here know about Hippo Gumstick superior Sound quality. BUt wait u haven try CUbe C30, highly praised even when compared to Hippo Gumstick as it is equipped with BBE technology and battery life of up to 20 hours---->it's much longer than hippo Gumstick battery life =) HOW GOOD IS IT? COME DISCUSS!!

With BBE technology that is used even in high end COWON player.

Package include Cube F1 in-ear earphone which is also highly praised as among the best stock earphones.

HOW GOOD IS IT? COME DISCUSS!!

U can get ur Cube C30 here. CLICK THIS =)




Original Cube C30 is hifi MP3 music player. Sound enhancement experts BBE and Cube have joined forces for the Cube C30. C30 player is compatible with FLAC and APE lossless playback and has memory card expansion. Adopts MAX9722 stereo headphone amplifiers, max up to 130mW output. Supports FM radio, TTS voice reading, eBook reader, digital recording and C30 comes in 3 colours: blue, brown and purple.






BBE Sound is a premier audio technology company dedicated to improving the quality of amplified sound for all people, from everyday consumers to music and sound professionals. BBE High Definition Sound technologies are found throughout the audio entertainment production spectrum; from the stage and studio, where world-renowned musicians insist upon using BBE professional audio processors, to consumer electronics manufacturers who implement BBE High Definition Sound technologies into their products so that they provide a more satisfying audio experience to their customers.


Reviews: CUBE C30 source: clieOS http://www.inearmatters.net/2010/11/impression-cube-c30.html and fellow audiophile Lyners http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/483129/+2000






[size=7]Reviews: Cube F1 earphone[/color] source: clieOS http://www.inearmatters.net/2010/11/impression-cube-c30.html and fellow audiophile Lyners http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/483129/+2000









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This post has been edited by beederbest: Dec 15 2012, 04:18 AM

The Rocoo A(Gumstick equivalent) seems to be hiding their specs. I'm not even sure of their output(website says 10mW+10mW but for some reason using 32 Ohm load unlike 16 Ohm like most). Dunno what kind of output with no load they can put out.

I think I might buy one from you and do a head to head with my Gumstick. later la, after I got a HM-601.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Feb 15 2011, 02:23 PM

This does look good, but do you mind quoting and referencing the origins of the reviews?

welcome u anytime to order 1 from me. but of course the earlier the better

I dunno.....I might sell off the F1 earphone though.
I think if the F1 has bass, it'll be easier to sell off. I have a DDm that I want to test the Cube with.

What colours do you have?
I think at the end of this month la. I'm waiting for my Fuze+ to go away.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Feb 15 2011, 02:35 PM

can order with me the version without cube F1 earphone but the price wont differ much. Just take the cube F1 u might surprise with its sound man.

Can order this first then only sell off ur Fuze+ no harm right?

I have blue or brown colour to order for this babe.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 15 2011, 02:52 PM

may i know where is your reference for the quotes?


GUmstick has much pushing power compare with Cube C30, which i would say is comparable.

sounding wise? i dont really find any relevant and accurate comparison at all.

updated with the source of the quotes in the first posting.

please note that c30 has a built in amp too so if wanna compare the pushing power I guess u have to own one to compare right?

check out my updated source of quotes. I would like to know too the how the SQ compares to Gumstick from someone who owns cube c30 too.

But for ClieOS, he eventually leave the burn in job for gumstick and take c30 btween the 2 as the portable player. I guess that really means something.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 15 2011, 03:02 PM

OK, PM me details about the non-F1 version.

I MAY be able to help with that.

PM sent.

I've heard that Cube C30 uses Class AB internal amp...
not sure where I've heard it

Well, that would explain the better battery life.

mind explain difference btwn Class A and Class AB amp?

how bout this one MAX9722 opamp? is it a built in amp too? same with gumstick?

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 15 2011, 03:32 PM

I suck at amps but
Class A amp normally gives very clean natural source
Class AB is like Class A but energy saver (of course there comes slightly different sounding signature)

aargh... just read the wikipedia link down there for accurate explanation
you'll get some of the idea

Link

Class A can give better and more pure in sounding/ more powerful.
however it consumes more energy

thanks, I noob at amps thats why i go for gumstick last time but eventually it turn me off but short battery life.

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Added on February 15, 2011, 3:46 pmNever forget bout BBE in Cube c30, it's used in high end Cowon player.
I think it might compensate the sound quality to match with that of device with class A amp or even better than it.

Just my personal opinion

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 15 2011, 03:46 PM

Class A amplifies the analog signal wave fully. Therefore you get no distortion. But on the downside, at best, for every unit of power you give in, that is the power you're putting out.

Class AB IIANM, only amplifies half of the analog signal wave. You get a bit of distortion but over twice the power efficiency over a Class A amp.

amplifier PRO coming in

This is actually somewhat tempting if not for the fact I have my portable player already (which I don't see a reason to replace), especially if it can playback FLAC at a healthy 20 hours. Had been looking for something like this some time back.

for those looking at gumstick can definitely consider this. btw what portable u're using now?

Rave reviews of the CUBE C30 courtesy of Indonesian audiophiles:

Audiophile Indonesia <<<---

how bout cube c60? any news?

thanks. not bad based on the indonesian review too.

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Added on February 15, 2011, 5:54 pmcube c60 is in the market ad. faster processor but no microSD slot. bigger screen i think 2 or 2.4 inch screen but price much higher.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 15 2011, 05:54 PM

iPod Shuffle 4th Gen.

This post has been edited by Enigmatic: Feb 15 2011, 05:57 PM

Actually, theres no amp that has no distortion. ALL amp introduces distortion. However, class A amp is biased higher so that it is conducting ALL the time. this means that even if there is no music playing, current still pass through the transistor/tube, hence lots of wasted power. The advantage is that there is no crossover distortion like in class AB or D.

Class AB amp has a pair of complimentary transistor/tube that conduct (more than) half of the wave form from each.

IINM, gumstick also uses MAX9722 opamp. How does that affect the amp class?

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

I can't make heads nor tails of the translation. If someone can read Chinese it would be great if he can confirm if the Cube F1 IEM is using Sennheiser HD600 drivers. I read it somewhere and then lost track of that part.

Cube F1 IEM

U.S. BBE + letter + United States-United States SIGMATEL, came to China to help CUBE sound artifact <br /> C30 achievements BBE sound engineers, now the United States --- the world of high quality HIFI leading technology company's U.S. Maxim Engineer - Analog Devices, the world's largest Company USA SIGMATEL Engineer - Freescale's technology company, has the king of sound RIO (Diamond) Brand




BBE sound artifact +209 +130 mW per biological diaphragm headphones Sennheiser HD600 Direct Push legendary sound quality for half a century = 299 yuan / 4G trial now price of only 149 yuan, you can get CUBE C30 opportunity to test sound quality artifact


C30 description:
BBE high-quality sound reduction system, and created a unique C30 CUBE sound artifact. By Michael? Jackson, Madonna and other superstars top HIFI techniques used to break the sound concept, and create a new more realistic so that the new non-destructive sense of hearing. From 1990 King of AIWA Walkman adding BBE high-quality system, the most professional 2002 MP3 manufacturers IAUDIO by BBE, many decades, BBE sound artifacts have the utmost support. CUBE C30 reduction by adding BBE high-quality system, and sent the value of measuring biological diaphragm 209 HIFI listening ear headphones F1, embedded Maxim MAX9722 headphone amplifier (stereo headphone amplifiers), up to 130mW output, to better promote HIFI headphones, creating the legendary peak of pure-tone sound quality MP3! Direct support for WAV lossless audio playback, Speech / TTS / book / recording / AB repeat study. Zinc magnesium alloy roll cage designed to allow high-quality sound with the top luxury craft the perfect integration of player history to create a miracle! Amazing bionic submarine design, Aegean blue metallic gray powder Valentine 3-color options.
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Half a century, the United States BBE company, are a sign of high quality HIFI

Specific video interview from PCONLINE
http://audio.pconline.com.cn/pingce/mp3/0912/1980115.html


BBE technology stands BBE Sonic Maximizer, the promoter of this technology is the same name as the BBE company and the origins of BBE's also quite legendary. Back in 1961, BBE's predecessor Barcus-Berry Inc has been established, to 1985, BBE Sound Company (Barcus-Berry Electronics) was established, it establishes a better offer for the various fields of professional audio services to locate, followed by BBE Sound company has acquired a Barcus-Berry Inc and G & L Guitar (by Fender's founder, the legendary instrument maker master Leo Fender and the system of musician George Fullerton, Co-founder), which all the BBE resources into together. BBE Sound's M & A and the core team-building is not a traditional technology companies like "the technical staff get together up", but the technology and the actual music in close contact: in addition to a G & L brand, BBE Sound company's many employees themselves considerable level of player; Chairman John C. Mclaren has served as a Yamaha, CBS music department director or chairman, and he himself was a good pianist; the company's vice president of technology Paul Gagon not only experts in audio technology or a very talented musicians ... ... and so on to the professional qualifications of musicians and performers, along with professional and strong R & D strength, which forms the style of BBE Sound sound system: professional, rigorous, true and practical. And the final, BBE technology has become the most professional fields mainstream and the best audio processing technology solutions.





BBE is a sign of high quality --- AIWA IAUDIO many high-quality products, provided by the tuning BBE

Cool sound artifact than C30, from the BBE senior engineers carefully tuning adjustments, mathematical calculations, BBE's strengths, and by the human ear, and the tuner, allowing a more beautiful sound. Cool artifact than the C30 BBE host by BBE sent a senior engineer: TAKEO KUDO (Kubo husband)

The figure on the left for the Chinese representative: CUBE Peng working right product manager on behalf of a senior engineer for the BBE: TAKEO KUDO (Kubo husband) photo



C30 tuning process





Lossless music you hear is the combined result of repeated damage, the new BBE high-quality technology to enhance the non-destructive playback, a high-quality basis. BBE sound system to correct the harmonic losses caused by the delay and makes the sound more into clear and transparent, is not a simple balance control, but to improve the sound clarity, improve voice intelligibility level.

Why lossless music, is lossy. Such as FLAC / APE formats, such as music, the singer sounds from the beginning to the moment, after the microphone collection, the emergence of the first loss of the sound, the microphone by the music recording equipment recorded to memory, this is the analog to digital conversion, this is the second loss, to get the CD from your files, or APE / FLAC file later, through the audio signal may have experienced tens to hundreds of e- components, and these electronic components, especially capacitors and inductors features with speakers, the audio signal will cause the occurrence of small phase shift, this shift will usually be more high-frequency signals to reach our ears later, and since people ear's auditory characteristics, and feel the music has become more ambiguous uncertainty, and can not be that accurate to the person at the scene to locate the instrument, so will the third, fourth loss. lossless music you hear, is not destructive , is a very comprehensive loss many times. He has not become the basis of high quality

The BBE technology for audio signals will be offset to compensate for this part, therefore, sound, BBE treated with music, more clearly. This is the world's numerous studio, superstar, top record companies use the BBE sound reduction technology because of high

*giggles* nice pictures they use. Hahaha.


PS: I think they're just saying that the Cube C30 has no problem of directly driving the HD600. Nothing to do with drivers or what not. Stomach ache now, just took a glance through the article. Brb.


PS2: Seriously, just stomachache, I'm not going off elsewhere to do anything else because of the pictures.. >_>

This post has been edited by Enigmatic: Feb 15 2011, 06:36 PM

yes that gal they use in the C30 advert is really cute!

oh ok. that prolly means the HD600 is not easily driven by wimpish mp3 players. it would need POWERFUL dap like the C30 to drive it! LOL

not just in love with cube c30 now, also the girl in the advert

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Added on February 15, 2011, 6:50 pmi think the class of the amp refers to the method of the amplifier functions like how all the amplifier sifus here describe. the class A is not a rating system.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 15 2011, 06:50 PM

Yeah, I never thought of class A as a rating system. Just wondering whether the type of opamp used could define the class of the amp, or is just a part of the circuit; i.e. how the opamp is used will determine the amp's class.

Looks like my previous post is a little confusing. Sorry. (and maybe this one is confusing too I guess. )

for ur information

gumstick also can drive Beyer DT880 250 ohm or HD650 without a problem in volume.
Sounding wise?
ofc not perfect

I don't think perfection can be found even in a RM2K dap what more a RM200 one? Individual preferences in SQ is highly subjective. I've known gourmets who have such a higly developed sense of taste that they can tell you what were the ingredients that went into the dish but that doesn't mean they enjoy their foie gras more than I relish my hokkien mee.

Just to be clear, Rocoo-A uses a totally different hardware compared to C30 or Gumstick. Rocoo-A is Rockchip Nano based while C30 / Gumstick is Sigmatel based.

Older version of Gumstick actually sound louder because of the old firmware it used. New generation of Gumstick sounds softer because the max volume is limited to lower distortion during EQ - thus newer Gumstick is about as loud as C30 is going to be (the volume limiting already applies to it as well)


Also to clear things up, SQ wise the two are on par. I simply choose C30 because its has BBE.

Not owning a gumstick I am curious if the EQ settings on it is as interesting as the BBE on the C30?

ok lol... I got a question... shy to ask

what is BBE anyway XD
what does it do?

its from google translation so its not very good. if you can read Chinese go to the link provided a few postings ago. its some kinda sound technology like dolby... thx ... equalization ...etc



This post has been edited by wongpeter: Feb 15 2011, 11:57 PM

great comparison----> hokkien mee and cube c30

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Added on February 16, 2011, 12:28 amTHe respectable reviewer ClieOS has come.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 16 2011, 12:28 AM

Just curious, is the C30 using BBE or BBE+? I'm asking coz the newer Cowon models (>S9) use BBE+

y not get one n compare it with gumstick?
who knows it might be able to drive them well too?

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Added on February 16, 2011, 12:47 amcube c30 using BBE+ according to here.
http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-700612-1-1.html (if u can read chinese)

This post has been edited by beederbest: Feb 16 2011, 12:47 AM

EQ on Gumstick is pretty basic. You get the typical rock /pop / etc kind of EQ and a simple User EQ, that's all.

And having them on in the Gumstick isn't that good too.

thanks for the info.

Whether it is a purist, audiophile or even a layman like me, we can't get away from the use of electronics in the production and reproduction of sounds and music. A purist might say he wants sound as close as possible to the real thing but given the current situation and the state of the technology is in at the present point in time, a large number of musical instruments are no longer purely acoustic. Electronics features in all stages of the production/reproduction from the performance right up to the finished product that is the CD. And with electronics who is to say what is a pure sound produced from a musical instrument or something that is has been electronically sampled. Which is why I am fascinated with this BBE thingy. It is all about the 'good' sound as perceived by the individual with the help of the electronics. I for one am not so obsessed with the 'pure' sound. With the BBE I can maybe say it's not just the 'good' sound but rather the 'fun' sound. I find it highly 'musical'.

This post has been edited by wongpeter: Feb 16 2011, 09:35 AM

same with me too, i find I enjoy more with a musical iem instead of one which is highly accurate but not so musical.

Hehe, same here.
Musicality puts the fun into music. There's nothing wrong with colouration, if it's done right.

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Added on March 8, 2011, 11:25 pmtested out the cube c30 for the first time today, without BBE it's similar like the Hippo Gumstick sound, but once BBE is turned on, I say it's like using NOS on racing car.

some say once with BBE, it's like adding kicap to half-boiled egg. if without BBE=eat plain half boiled egg without kicap= NO KICK.

BBE=KICK.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Mar 8 2011, 11:25 PM

Hi, where can i buy cube c30 in KL?

Latest Comment from tunertoobe:

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Added on March 10, 2011, 6:36 pmso far I do not know if there's any shop selling this from KL cuz it's still quite new n rare in Malaysia.

I can however help u bring in, can get it 2 to 3 weeks time for this batch.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Mar 10 2011, 06:36 PM

Give a trial on the cube. Not get used to the control yet. . This is my first mp3 player, other than iphone.

What i can said is, great player with awesome SQ.

have u tried the BBE? it blast once u on it.

yea for the navigation it does take some time to get used to it. But once u get used to it, It will be pretty easy.

do check out the instruction booklet if find any doubts on the navigation issue.

Hmmm...I tried to max the C30 out and found that beyond 20, the volume lowers immediately. Didn't expect that.

prevent u from blasting too loud maybe, that is with BBE on or off?

It was with BBE on. I didn't take notice exactly what volume because I held on to the volume up button. The volume rose quickly and I expected it to be very loud but then suddenly, the volume immediately lowers.

since the BBE already jam up the volume, would u mind try out without the BBE?

last time I faced the problem with Gumstick the volume sometimes very loud at 10 sometimes put 10 like very soft voice only, n it's not due to the influence of surrounding noise or whatever.

Nope, I have BBE on and have pushed it to beyond 25 without the volume lowering by itself. Could be you have tweaked some setting on the C30.

I dunno, haven't checked. I did a reset on the settings and I'll try again.
Or maybe it's holding down the volume up button that activates that 'protection system'?

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Added on March 10, 2011, 7:31 pmOh wait, it's at 26 that it starts to lower. So I guess it's normal?

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Added on March 10, 2011, 7:33 pmHoly crap it's loud!!
Yeah I turned off BBE and the volume barrier isn't activated.
I didn't go to 31, only got to 29 and I pulled my IEM out.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Mar 10 2011, 07:36 PM

maybe cube company is responsible enough to consider the safety of consumer's ears that's why they set a volume barrier at 25 as max when the BBE is on since BBE already jam up a lot of the volume?

This post has been edited by beederbest: Mar 10 2011, 07:39 PM

Yeah. Imagine the volume with BBE on and without the limit.

So without BBE, the C30 sounds very much like the Gumstick?

it's the same to my ear. so it does to tunertoobe's ear. if do a blind test, I doubt can easily differentiate between the two. But once with the BBE on, it's a different story, different animal if wanna compared with gumstick. A tiger VS a cat? U need to test it out only u know what I'm talking about.

can this thing play flac?? why my flac put in can't read?? plus can this thing view chinese song title?? coz i wasn't sure which cause all my cai qin collection to skip all instead of playing it...sifu plz help~

I feel that my ears hurt after use the F1 for about 30 minutes. Maybe my ears not suit to it. I pair it up with my Sony MDR-XB300 with BBE on. Nice, but have to up the volume to 20+

It can play flacs but not 96khz/24bit flacs. I can't read Chinese so no comment. Is your Cai Qin 96khz/24bit flacs?

Can I question what earphone/headphone which u all use to test with the C30?

check the size of ear tips used, the design of earphone is different a bit so may take time to get used to it.

So that is the point......sad~

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Added on March 10, 2011, 9:52 pmcurrently with me is the F1 and my PL30,this saturday when i back my hometown i will try it on my triplefi and PL50

This post has been edited by silver69: Mar 10 2011, 09:52 PM

if not mistaken last time i tried on gumstick with the flacs. when it comes to 96khz/24bit flacs, it just skip to the next song.

What about other full size headphones?
Like HD 650?

Changed to the smallest ear tips, feel better now. I just can't believe my ear hole so small. All the while I'm using the medium size. But my XB300, nice bass.

Hm.. since I don't really know where to start, I'll do it chronologically.

First I tried the F1 while waiting for file transfers to the C30. Tested the F1 with my W902; I guess my stand on it is pretty much the same as clieOS's. Personally Sony HPM-77 is the better IEM for me. In comparison, it's colder, better isolation, better transparency. Little lacked in treble when compared to F1, but with treble boost, in overall it's better than the F1.

File transfer and charge completed, I went on with trying the C30 with Sony MDR-Q68LW, my mostly used headphones. Thought I'd go with this since I use it most of the time.

The navigation pretty much is basic portable player. The only thing new to me is the AB and EQ through long press AB. Had no problem with it.

I was gonna compare the SQ on all players I have, but after turning on BBE out of curiosity, I just don't want to turn it off nor do I feel like using other players.

BBE is sweet. The first song I played with BBE is 'Brave Song' from Angel Beats! (both original and Gldemo ver.) and the sound is just, wow. Especially the vocal.
All of BBE presets to me is a hit and miss on different phones. As an example, with my Q68LW which somewhat lacks in bass but great mids and highs, the BBE fits. However with VIVA, the highs become too much, and the sound isn't fun anymore. With HPM-77 however, VIVA sounds great. So far I believe that there's a BBE setting for every ear/headphone.

Last thing I've to say is that as how I remember, C30 is better than Sony nwz-b142f and nwz-b153f. Both, should I say PMPs that are in the same class to Cube C30 in terms of size, and Cube C30 blows them away in price, SQ, stock earphone, and of course, BBE. (The only thing I prefer from the said Sony PMP is the 3 line browsing instead of 2 in C30, but it's not a big deal anyway. )

Oh yea, can't wait to use HD668B with this.

not seem, is indeed it's great. haha =)

Looks like we got another BBE addict and a fan of the Cube C30!

Gumstick do not play 24bit, same to C30.

C30 is using Class AB amplifier where gumstick are Class A amp. Class AB have less pushing power, so i do not think that it can push well on higher impedance headphone

Gumstick use about 85%-95% of volume to push DT880, so i do not think C30 can do that well as it have less pushing capability.

On the other hand, just read and i wish to correct some point here. Based on the technical design of this mp3 player. Class A amp are supposed to have better design and hence it is actually sound better.

BBE equalizer do not actually improve the sound, but it equalize the sound, as everybody know, Equalizer general make the sound changed, not better, It is always equal, one thing go up, the other thing go down, as layman term.

Jaben has come

difference between class A and class AB is actually class A keep on operating without on n off while operating hence consume more battery though less interference, thus the battery life of Hippo Gumstick is way lower than Cube C30, maybe almost only half of that of Cube C30.

Have u tried Cube C30? would u justify the pushing ability of Cube C30 only after trying it? I can give u special price

BBE equalizer is used in High end Cowon players worth more than Rm1000, it does add colouration to Cube c30 which makes it sound much much better. when it's on, I wonder if Hippo Gumstick is still worth mentioning. Come on, give it a try. U wont regret for the price of Rm170 free postage, u get a much better sounding player than Gumstick. can give u special price oh

Cube with BBE vs Hippo Gumstick = Tiger vs Cat?

This post has been edited by beederbest: Mar 11 2011, 01:27 PM

LOLx....actually i off BBE,for the sake that i don't really like color to my collections....but c30 does shines even BBE off.............
p.s:none(if i not mistaken) of the true audiophile will wish to color their song with eq,at most we will only EQualized some freq if some pairing issue with the system,which ultimate goal is to make FLAT recording,the true enjoyment of the music the way it's meant to be heard by the recorder.

haha. newbie here.


thanks for this.


THere are also many people who simply wish to enjoy music instead of focussing which one is high, mid and low.

And it seems that BBE makes the music really enjoyable.

In audiophile terms, or should I say technically, you're definitely right. To me, BBE is better in terms of fun sounding and something different for the songs that I loved, but was bored with.

Apparently that's what I've heard from audiophiles.

Ultimately, to me, true enjoyment of music... Is that when we listen, we enjoy. Naturally, I won't be happy or enjoy the music just because I think it's how it's supposedly the way it's meant to be heard.

seems you are not welcome me.
I m here as i dont wish to have anybody to be mis-informed.

From your point of view, So the factory shall discontinued their Class A model as it is no point keeping it, Class AB have bettery life and etc? If then why would Hisound Audio price their Class A higher than Class AB. For your informations, the design are different, and you get different grade products.

I have tried this C30 months, or year ago.

Please do not point out, where this BBE used. Do this justified this is a high end settings or things like that? and i m not sure, whether BBE have grade different? It is just a equalizer. But, how can a equalizer make song better? It is one thing up, and one thing down, that's why it called "EQUALizer". I have tried with one friends here, with his cowon player, i think he will totally agree with me, equalizer is something to make yourself happy, not to make yourself to have better sound ?

Sorry i will not wish to have any war here. Just retained this as pure discussion ok?

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:25 pmYes, you got the correct point, BBE is not something to make sound better, it is a equalizer, to make sound changed. BBE is more on a shortcut of good EQ settings. Enjoy your music

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:28 pmYes, i will agree C30 is a good player even if the BBE is absent, Everyone have the rights to enjoy their music in the way they wan, in this world, there is no any equalizer settings that can make the player better, but no doubt, some EQ settings do shine in some earphone, but not with every type of music. As such you seen the EQ settings are named by Genre of music.

This post has been edited by yuheng: Mar 11 2011, 03:31 PM

I'm happy u come. it means Cube c30 is something worth mentioning

What's wrong with pointing out where this BBE is used? This means that it uses the technology similar in some high end player. anything wrong?



no problem as long as u dun flame me like in previous post. ayam sked later u ask all Jaben fan come, later I die.


BBE makes music more enjoyable. that is what many of the people want, right?

BTW, price doesn't really justify whether the product is of higher end. It might be due to the seller wanna rip off the buyer by confusing them that a more expensive item simply performs better.

Thanks for letting me to write something here.

I have never use any of my authority if you can seen all my previous reply. I came here as personal LYN (not Jaben) and i do not hold any special power. Because i worked in Jaben store, it make me always have the difficulty to post anywhere, the new user here tend to perceive me to promote this and that. But you can find that, i hardly post, to prevent any misunderstanding. All of the senior member here told me to have same problem, so everybody hardly came here, and it become so cool here. We need more technical ppl to explain to everybody. It is out, let's cut it here.

BBE is not something to mentioned as it do not represent to be higher end. It is used in higher end player, but it do not justify to claim that, this give better sound, as my previous post, it is just to give you a better shortcut on better equalizer. Equalizer are always equal, one thing up and one thing down.

But as you can find from post above, it do not actually make sound more enjoyable, it is different from people to people. Your customer also point out that, BBE is too color to them? Not to flame you but i will admit C30 is a good player, from my ear it is not better than gumstick, and the BBE will not make any player, or any sounds to be tiger and cat? agree?

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Added on March 11, 2011, 3:57 pmIf you can understand what is the design of both player, Hisound Class A and Class AB, you will know the grade is really defined by the price differences.
I have both unit of Class A and Class AB Hisound player at my side, all of my customer told me, Class A is better than Class AB.

This post has been edited by yuheng: Mar 11 2011, 03:57 PM

maybe ur ear has been trained until u can differentiate between gumstick n c30 BBE off.

forgive me for my noobiness, I have not come to that level but my noobie ears does feel gumstick sound seems to be inferior than cube c30 when BBE on cube c30 is on, just my preference anyway, which appear to be most people's preference too.

JUST IMO.

Not that anyone are noob or pro....enjoying music do not differentiate by level of listening that you have go thru or trained, but you just cant conclude that one player is superior/inferior than the other player, by just saying that, one have this EQ and the other don't. As EQ will not make the anything sounds better, Forever. This can be proved as your customer also mentioned he do not like the coloration of the BBE.

We just need to have neutral comments, you can love this or that, without people agree or so. that is your personal preferences

Given to that facts that, add in special EQ might make you love the sound presentation more, but you will never able to prove that it sound better. As BBE is an equalizer, and so sorry for my last description, one thing up and the other thing will go down eventually. "sound better" have to be done in proper comparison, more on refinement testing already as this is DAC comparison. that is another 3 pages stories ald. I will cut from here

This post has been edited by yuheng: Mar 11 2011, 04:27 PM

Sifu, should I say BBE makes the sound appearance /colouring to be more appealing to most of the people?

even if do not like the colouration, can turn the BBE off n it comes alive again, right?

so, I would say BBE is the EQ setting technology that makes the sound more appealing to most people, n which makes the music more enjoyable to most people.

This post has been edited by beederbest: Mar 11 2011, 04:54 PM

Don't call me Sifu, I am not.
For my understanding, BBE is an EQ, that have better shortcut, give more options on how's the frequency tuned.
You can defined how you like it to be. I have no control. as long as it is neutral enough to be studied by other friend who wish to seek for accurate informations.

Enjoy

Maybe the Gumstick's true potential is when driving high impedance, highly inefficient full size headphones. Maybe at higher volumes does the Gumstick really shines.

Someone should do a comparison again.

Speaking of Gumstick's pushing power, I did remember it being louder on the old firmware.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Mar 11 2011, 05:18 PM

Gumstick doesn't shine when played loud... it distorts quite a bit

Hehe, as expected la.
But with high impedance headphones with low sensitivity, will there be a difference between the two?

Lol bro, you say that BBE is used in 'high end' Cowon players. All (or most) Cowon players are more expensive than the C30 price that you offer. I'm just pointing out that you're contradicting what you said.