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 Nokia and Microsoft enter strategic alliance !, Symbian will be phased out, Meego stays

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post Feb 12 2011, 03:55 AM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Feb 11 2011, 09:53 PM)
One bad things on Symbian currently & in the past is slow boot-up time, Not so good multi-touch comparing wth ifon, and also the worst Internet browser  compare wth others..

Hopefully wth WP7, they can posper more and solve those mysteries..Their superb ovimaps covering almsot everywhere in the world, superb GPS chipset & the superb camera are Nokia good point during Symbian era...
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+1.

Now, Nokia is taking a very big gamble to turn around the tables. While i am still quite skeptical about the decision, but only god knows what Nokia and Microsoft can roll out.

The issue bugging me about migrating to Android is because of the hardware manufacturer. Each of them have the cons that i am not yet ready to accept it fully and they are expensive.
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post Feb 12 2011, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(gstoh @ Feb 12 2011, 11:49 AM)
I will not say Nokia&M$ will beat down Google.
Since google's strength is its FREE services offered. Besides that a lot of apps in google market are free too.
But one thing I don't like about the android is that android has too many different customized versions by manufacturers. That's why we cannot get the new update instantly when google annouces new version of android.

So perhaps Nokia and M$ can learn from the weakness of android and avoid it in their own products. Do it like Apple. when announce the new version, all devices with same platform are allowed to update immediately.
Perhaps Nokia can also integrate its Ovi map to WP7 to offer FREE Offline GPS in their products. This is a great advantage over the other WP7 phones =)

I believe NokiaM$ will create competitive products/services in future to fight with iOS and Android.
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If Nokia did not integrate the Ovi maps into their mobile phones, it would be a big waste for them since they acquire the company that is specialize in navigating and mapping services.

For Android, I am still surveying for the suitable hardware manufacturer for me to invest in.

Hopefully the alliance will boost back the Nokia position.

QUOTE(lch78 @ Feb 12 2011, 12:53 PM)
Nokia CEO has his reasons to enter into such arrangement with MS. But if he is smarter, he should instead use all WP7, Android & Symbian concurrently and let the software developers fight for Nokia attention. Then Nokia will be the winner.

By entering into exclusivity deal with MS will limit Nokia options to expand. Most likely, it is Nokia who helps MS to expand in the early years rather than the other way round. MS intention is to make money through software updates like in the PC market. I still remember last time when I want to upgrade my pda WinMo6.1 to WinMo6.5, they wanted to charge me RM126 for WinMo6.5 OS licence!!

And if the scenario (GREEN texts) you put up is true in the future, the real turkey will be you and other WP7 users, and MS will be the one dining turkey out of your wallet.  tongue.gif
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+100.

QUOTE(cy97 @ Feb 12 2011, 04:03 PM)
Microsoft is really suck ! Want to make my mic working on my pc also so difficult ! Apple is really cool ! And not fragmented at all!
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Are you sure that it is the Windows fault? It might be hardware issues as well.
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post Feb 12 2011, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(randytsx @ Feb 12 2011, 07:39 PM)
a) really? even those aunties and uncles who know nothing about the OS they're using? XD my gf's dad is using Xperia X10 mini pro...and he knows nothing about the OS...he just said, "WOW it's SOOO FAST!!! COMPARED TO SO MANY PHONES I'VE USED IN MY LIFE in 20 years!!!"

b) this i agree with you, symbian is usable, but it's outdated, especially its interface, they shud get on with it...

c) i'm a Microsoft hater but a Nokia lover, so errr......i hate Microsoft for their dirty business tactics, how they say Linux is inferior to M$ software when their software itself is flawed, and how they treat Linux users...i love Linux but I did not hate Microsoft, until i got deeper into the Linux world and learned about how Microsoft treated Linux...but funny, when it comes to hardware, i don't mind at all...i'm using a M$ mouse, and i dream of getting an Arc Mouse...so err?

and what do you mean lousy handphone maker?

- Samsung makes lousy handphones?
- Sony Ericsson makes lousy handphones?
- LG makes lousy handphones?
- Motorola makes lousy handphones?
- HTC makes lousy handphones?

so everybody makes lousy handphones except Nokia?

or you're saying that lousy handphone makers use android in their phones too? like those cheap shanzai phones from china, which many are utilizing android as their main OS instead of MTK because android is free and can be customized easily to their needs?

Just so that you know, the number of these shanzai handphone makers don't represent the majority of handphone makers....they don't represent quality handphone makers...

So what do you call people who love Microsoft and refuse to know and learn the truth behind things? Microfag? Smallfag? Picofag? Femtofag?

soon, somebody might just say, Microkiafag butthurt coz even after Microkia marriage happened and rolled out their awesome product running WP7 and hardware from Nokia they still fail to get even a significant % of market share.
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Symbian is an established OS for me. Apple and Android offers something better.

At the same time, Nokia have to look out for their product quality. Cheap phone with unattractive specification is reasonable, but high end phone that suffer a lot of issues after released? That is something Nokia have to look out. Users are not guinea pigs. N97 and N8 are the proof.

Nokia is famous, so any problem that is related with them also being trumpet loudly.

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post Feb 12 2011, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(DJFoo000 @ Feb 12 2011, 08:52 PM)
@randytsx, no point entertaining him. You've done your best to present your points. Better save your energy for better cause. gogo2 is an obvious fanboy who doesn't understand the severity of a failed venture to Nokia at this moment. When he sees the light he will understand.
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While i am a Nokia user as well and i like it, i also think gogo2 is a little bit too 'far" about it.

gogo2,

I also like Nokia as well and reluctant to toss it for any brand yet, but try keep this to yourself. Hardly anyone is appreciating your effort as well. Just spend your time in more meaningful post if you are addicted to LYN like me, especially in the cupid corner or kopitiam. tongue.gif
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post Feb 12 2011, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Getz @ Feb 12 2011, 10:09 PM)
Nice argument here, like you guys are Stephen Elop +Steve Ballmer + Steve Jobs that trying to argue on forum in disguise. I don't know lowyat forum made it to America. Nicee
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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Feb 12 2011, 10:14 PM)
Maybe the recent event will make Symbian programmers step up their game (to save their neck) and actually give us more updates.
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For the OS? hmm.gif
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post Feb 13 2011, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Feb 13 2011, 09:41 AM)
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plan A:nokia+android plan B:nokia+microsoft what about plan C or even plan D?
plan A is definitely not a smart move coz there are plenty of player in the market.plan B,yeah,nokia probably will dominant the pizza(WP7) market but look at 10 devices launched at past few months ago,total 2million sales.its even lower than a single phone powered by symbian 3,N8.
y not plan C?since symbian is very mature OS,why not continue their investment by modifying it to be more user friendly,fix some bugs and it just need a little bit improvement.symbian major problem is UI.their UI is very not user friendly compared to android,iOS and WP7.second problem,default browser,nokia/symbian have noticed the problem of browser and they promise will launch an update on the future for new browser.
look at symbian pros and cons compared to the other OS.(i point out the major factor only)
Pros
1.bluetooth is easiest to use
2.Ovi Maps and Garmin support which is the best gps software
3.plug and play,connect to pc,laptop,other electronic device is easy,fast and no need any software to sync(i feel annoying when i use sgs,iphone)

Cons
1.lousy UI which is not suitable for finger use.very not user friendly
2.internet browser is problematic,old,not user friendly as well.browser crash always happen
3.a lot of bugs waiting to fix..

so now they are adopting WP7 and abandoning symbian 3?such a giant like Nokia never keep their word?updates?besides that,i don't understand y they burning so much money in investing symbian,meego,qt in the past and now they just abandoned it by switching to another platform.it doesn't make sense.
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+5.

QUOTE(DJFoo000 @ Feb 13 2011, 11:28 AM)
@ViRaViRa, you forgot to factor in one condition: you're in desperate need to regain market dominance, and your store has shareholders. You have invested too much in sushi (analog for symbian). While you're still formulating the 'perfect' pizza, your investors are not earning any money (you tell them you will stop selling sushi, and WILL BE SELLING pizza, means you in R&D now, not earning any money).

You tell them your pizza will work, but other stores that sell both burger and pizza give feedback that pizzas are not selling well. Shareholders lari. Left you and the pizza distributor. Pizza distributor might be distributing other products too, so they can survive. But you can't, coz your stall is ALL IN in the pizza business.
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+100.

Nokia is taking a huge gamble about this step. New things surely being hammered by critics until they prove that they can bear good fruits, then it will silenced by the success.

I really hope that Microsoft can modify the WP7 radically.
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post Feb 14 2011, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(techmostwanted @ Feb 14 2011, 03:35 PM)

Thats true if they just polish up Symbian and continue to use it for low and mid end market. But we all know what will happen once Nokia kick Symbian out from their face.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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The issue lies with Nokia. Why wanted to dump out so many years of hard work?

Why not do some radical changes to make Symbian more competitive or perhaps change name and edit some of it feature to make it nicer if people are so fascinated with the new names.

It is quite a sad story actually and i really wonder what have those people in Symbian foundation been doing for the past few years.

 

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