Symbian and Meego will stay...they can't afford to alienate current symbian's huge user base of course.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-a...windows-phone-b



This post has been edited by hypermount: Feb 14 2011, 08:22 AM

WP7 and Meego are in conflict, if they go with WP7, you can expect meego to "die". As a platform, nokia cannot have 2 competing products, they have to choose one. Sadly, it seems like they chose the inferior platform

Wrong move.. Should have choose Android.

Well what to do, the current new boss was ex-microsoft...so he choose to alliance wth his own ex-boss.

MeeGo = open source.
It won't die one. xdadevs will embrace it.

MeeGo is based on linux and can run Android apps. I say i'll be a good competitor to Android.
But we'll see how it goes.

Maybe he was planted there and this was Microsoft's goal. Now there's even more brand recognition for Microsoft.

Yeah...I also having the same feeling....more like reverse take over of Nokia by Microsoft

still can dual boot ma

meego android dual boot?haha.

lol i can't believe Elop cited Android's "differentiation on that platform would have been very difficult for Nokia." Fragmentation eh?

And "The Microsoft option represented to us the best opportunity to build and join and fight within a new ecosystem."

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/live-fr...dest&refresh=60

WP7 looks stagnant to me. At least there's nothing interesting in it to me.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 11 2011, 06:49 PM

He's a f***ing mole planted there by microsoft. What a prick, WP7 is not going to take them anywhere

If you read properly, MeeGo and Symbian is dead.

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Added on February 11, 2011, 8:57 pmI'm not sure why WP7 not going to take them anywhere. Nokia need a OS that is better than iOS and Android.

WP7 is an OS which is better than Android and iOS.

Have you use a WP7 before?

Let me show you the UI:

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Added on February 11, 2011, 8:58 pmAndroid is wrong move actually. Android cannot provide differentiation product and make Nokia
look like another hardware maker. Also, Android is having legal issue now.

Furthermore, WP7 is better OS than iOS and of course much much better OS than Android.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 11 2011, 08:58 PM

Wouldn't making a WP7 make Nokia even more of an 'another hardware maker'? WP7 offers no variation in terms of specs with its strict tech requirements. Look at all the WP7 phones out there. I can't tell the difference, other than one with AMOLED, one with physical keyboard. That's about it.

So in choosing WP7, it's more of choosing brand than choosing specs. You like a HTC WP7? Get the HD7! (Yeah I know mozart and the other one. Frankly I don't see the significant difference). Want a Samsung? Get the Omnia 7! Want an LG? Get the Optimus 7! What's the main difference between all these WP7 phones? You get the point.

There's no 'in between' in WP7. There is one WP7. It's sorta like making iPhones, but by many manufacturers. Same experience, everytime, in every one.

Not really. Microsoft let Nokia tinker with WP7 even further. So Nokia can differentiate itself
from others.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-w...indows-phone-7/


So WP7 is the best choice. If Nokia goes for Android, then really facepalm. Since there's no Androidfag or Symbianfag here, i'm sure everyone will agree with me that WP7 is the best way forward.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 11 2011, 09:10 PM

If Microsoft really did allowed that (coz Elop backtracked saying they won't tinker too much, probably coz he probably said it without consulting Balmer first), HTC and other manufacturers will be looking for similar privileges too, or else WP7 on these brands will be a one-off, and WP7 will be left to one brand. And depends on how it develops, will either be a Nokia-Symbian kind of domination in the 2005 era, or WP7 will fizzle out and make MS decide to close down it's mobile OS division.

Nope. Microsoft won't let WP7 die so fast. Xbox example lose a lot of money but Microsoft still went ahead and do Xbox 360 which is a success. Now Xbox revenue more than Windows revenue. You forgot that Microsoft and Nokia is huge company with large amount of capitalization and expertise.

Elop did not backtracked. He said he will not change that much. But he definitely confirm Nokia can change anything. Unless you're
Androidfag, you won't pour cold water on this right?

HTC once said they're allowed to customise WP7 too. Rumors were flying about how they're going to implement Sense on WP7. In the end all they had was a HTC Hub. Yay?

MS won't let WP7 die, but WP7 will die on it's own if this trend of not-interesting-ness of WP7 continues.

Wouldn't talk about XBOX coz I'm a non-gamer. But AFAIK XBOX was a success, but only because of Halo.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 11 2011, 09:40 PM

not really bro. XBox success because the multiplayer experience is great.

Not interestingness because got WP7 get bad treatment from manufacturer of phone such as HTC.
HTC allowed to customise but cannot use their sense UI. HTC Hub was added as differentiation product.
Not sure what's the "yay" for though.

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Added on February 11, 2011, 9:42 pmand also, with Nokia on board, the interest will be very very high since Nokia will build the best mobile phone for Windows and concentrate doing that only for WP7.



This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 11 2011, 09:42 PM

I'm ex-WM user-lor..And I hate that platform long time ago..WP7 although i hv not used it b4 but from the Youtube clip, the iu dun looks good and I stil prefer S^3 in N8.

Furthermore, I heard WP7 having connectivity problem similar to Ios i.e you can't BT file trf, can't connect via USB & copy & paste proble. On current S^#, trf of files via BT are superb & even you can opy & paste whatever files via USB and even a thumbdrive. I dun think any other platforms having these right now...Well..hopefully Nokia on WP7 in future

i have multiple phones and one of it still using Winmo 6.1. I really hate it.

We all hope the best for Nokia la...

Nokia is definitely going downhill.

It makes sense that their next route would be MS WP7 which centers around the Indian software community and Nokia users are mostly Indians.

If you look at Windows Phone Ads the front screen shows an Indian photo album!



While Android development community is more Chinese oriented. Google Android Lab is based in Taipei.
Google establishes Android team in Taiwan
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10194652-94.html

racist people detected. this is not kopitiam bro.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 11 2011, 09:47 PM

What I'm saying is the HTC Hub is the most HTC can 'customise' their version of WP7. You also said HTC was apparently allowed to 'customise' and all they get to do was add HTC Hub. The 'yay' was an awkward celebration for the existence of an apparent ability to customise WP7 by manufacturers.

In case my overuse of the word "apparent" confused you, apparent means "something that does not exist". Apparently means "thought to be so but wasn't".

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 11 2011, 09:50 PM

I did not say that HTC can customise. Please point out where ???
So its kinda weird you put yay too. Apparently in the link I give you, it say HTC cannot customise.

You start to talk weird now.

One bad things on Symbian currently & in the past is slow boot-up time, Not so good multi-touch comparing wth ifon, and also the worst Internet browser compare wth others..

Hopefully wth WP7, they can posper more and solve those mysteries..Their superb ovimaps covering almsot everywhere in the world, superb GPS chipset & the superb camera are Nokia good point during Symbian era...

Read the bolded part. You said it yourself.

In July 2010 HTC said the same about them being given the green light to 'customise'. HTC Hub was all they can do.

http://www.biggtech.com/mobile/htc-will-cu...sense_2308.html

What link are you talking about?

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 11 2011, 09:57 PM

thats why in the new alliance, Ovi Map is ported in to WP7.
GPS and camera no need to say is from Nokia.

While Microsoft provide the OS for multi touch, fast boot, and great internet browser experience...

All I can say is ....


THIS IS FULL OF WIN!!!!

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Added on February 11, 2011, 9:59 pmThis means that HTC cakap besar saying they can customize.

But Nokia is different. This is alliance. Integrating software between two manufacturer.

This is gang up bro. Different with HTC putting in WP7 into HD2 to become HD7 and tweak a bit of the hardware.

That's why Microsoft hate all the WP7 manufacturer. They need a partner. And Nokia came along....

ITS JUST SO FULL OF WIN

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 11 2011, 09:59 PM

at the moment & long term future, joining forces of 2 titans nokia and windows mobile represent de greatest threat to android.
in a few years once their partnership is established, high-end smartphone market will be dominated by apple wt IOS and nokia with Windows phone.

android is like a headless chicken, initially going fast & everywhere but very soon will die easily.
simply bcoz de android marketplace is too lousy.

true true...

Also, if you read this http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2010/11/did_google..._own_enemi.html

Google probably will not earn money in the future... lol

Google made so much money from else where they can buy companies and put their products up for free, and in the process make even more money.

What my previous post was saying is Nokia probably made the same slip of tongue about customisability. And in what article did you read that Microsoft hated the other WP7 manufacturers? Do you know what consequence that would lead to in terms of partnership opportunity? Or you just made that up?

Slip tongue? Nope.. this is different bro... you dunno how this partnership is???? its so huge...and deep

Apple dun need partnership opportunity. So microsoft and Nokia dun need others too.

Microsoft + Nokia will just come out with 1 device to pawn all Android device like what Apple is doing.

lol you're putting your hopes too much in the future, while the a lot of us are looking at the track record. I have presented what I came to present. Have fun hoping for that copy and paste feature on the Nokia WP7.

Its not hoping bro. Its coming out in March.

Of course we hope for the future.

Looking at track record is only for fanboy bro.... we look at what the manufacturer come out and buy accordingly...

you're not buying business bro... u just buy gadget.. track record is not determine what you buy in the future...

it is like this.
nokia possess capability to produce phones wt great design and hardware, but their weakness is software eco-systyem.
while windows 7 mobile possess great potential in software.
this is best partnership especially considering the resources of both companies.

I'll believe a WP7 Nokia phone will be a success only when it happens. I have too many doubts about that coming true now.
Reasons:
- WP7 is still immature, missing a lot of features (e.g. copy and paste, multi-tasking) that exist in iOS and Android.
- Nokia has said they'll need time to make a WP7 phone. I expect earliest you can see one at the end of this year. But that time Android would be entrenched even further with more high end phones and Ice Cream Sandwich released.

QFT.

Now is still too early to argue about the impact of Nokia WP7 in the future. Let Nokia comes out a WP7 phone first.

IMO, Vic Gundotra might be wrong about "two turkeys do not make an eagle". If Nokia WP7 is successful, Nokia will be the turkey, and MS is the eagle dining the turkey.

It depends. Nothing last forever. Last time we also dun think Nokia will fall like this.
Now you dun think Android will die. But believe me. Next year, Nokia WP7 will conquer the
word. That time you'll eat back your own word.

I believe Nokia and MS become eagle while Android is turkey.

+1.

Now, Nokia is taking a very big gamble to turn around the tables. While i am still quite skeptical about the decision, but only god knows what Nokia and Microsoft can roll out.

The issue bugging me about migrating to Android is because of the hardware manufacturer. Each of them have the cons that i am not yet ready to accept it fully and they are expensive.

As the CEO mentioned in his speech, Nokia discount Android due to the fact that Nokia is too late to adopt Android n the difficulty in term of differentiation ! To me it is all bullshit why would u dump something good because due to ur own mistake in getting it earlier! When it is good, you should embrace it no matter how late. As Indians still dominate Microsoft, you would never see great thing come out of it. I m sure the CEO will lose his job come next year! Let's wait n see!

I still believe Nokia should do it themselves like Apple did! Put more effort to develop Meego n not hide below the shadow of another loser, Microsoft! Put two losers together u get what?

Sony Erricsson is a good example!

This alliance is nothing without the support of the East Asian countries - China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.
Nokia has never gain much entry there and Android is always their preferred mobile OS platform.

While with the console market Microsoft can pump in enough money to overtake the Playstation, the Android is another story,

Behind the Android is giant Google, Samsung, Sony, HTC, China Inc.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Feb 12 2011, 11:17 AM

android alliance will not survive long. very soon nobody will develop games or apps for it bcos no control & lack profits.

I'll bookmark this page so that next year I can eat my words.

Or laugh and laugh at your post.

I will not say Nokia&M$ will beat down Google.
Since google's strength is its FREE services offered. Besides that a lot of apps in google market are free too.
But one thing I don't like about the android is that android has too many different customized versions by manufacturers. That's why we cannot get the new update instantly when google annouces new version of android.

So perhaps Nokia and M$ can learn from the weakness of android and avoid it in their own products. Do it like Apple. when announce the new version, all devices with same platform are allowed to update immediately.
Perhaps Nokia can also integrate its Ovi map to WP7 to offer FREE Offline GPS in their products. This is a great advantage over the other WP7 phones =)

I believe NokiaM$ will create competitive products/services in future to fight with iOS and Android.

I'll join you to laugh.

Android apps/games is only 2nd to Apple iOS and fast catching on.

Older Nokia phones will also not be able to work with NoWin phones until the next batches are out.
They are way behind Android development community

Did you know that WinMo phones are useless? Many of my friends say their WinMo phones frequently drop calls and apps are just crap.
No one wants to pay royalty to M$soft without given the freedom.

My guess is many will buy the NoWin phones and hack them to install other Unix platforms such as Android/Meego/Linux eventually.

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Added on February 12, 2011, 12:16 pmHow can you call it competitive when M$ refuses to lower their Windows software prices when Linux is free?
M$soft has never stepped back when it comes to charging for their Win apps. NoWin phones won't be priced competitively because their phones will include WP7 OS pricing added as well.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Feb 12 2011, 12:16 PM

These some views to ponder.....



Nokia share drops 14% since announcement made!





Finns' reaction to this!




This decision is not fully endorsed by Nokia Board of Directors yet!

This post has been edited by cy97: Feb 12 2011, 12:23 PM

lets be more realistic
alliance implied that m$ will offer some privileges to Nokia perhaps cheaper license ?
apart from that, let's see how much the similar spec of WP7 phone and android phone cost? they are not much different.
for instance, HTC Desire and HTC 7 Mozart, both of their retail price are not much different(HTC Desire is slightly cheaper). However, 7 Mozart is little bit better in term of spec.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPho...0&idPhone2=3077

apart from that, WP7 is very smooth, is able to match with iOS.
one thing is lack in WP7 is openness.

This post has been edited by gstoh: Feb 12 2011, 12:45 PM

Nokia CEO has his reasons to enter into such arrangement with MS. But if he is smarter, he should instead use all WP7, Android & Symbian concurrently and let the software developers fight for Nokia attention. Then Nokia will be the winner.

By entering into exclusivity deal with MS will limit Nokia options to expand. Most likely, it is Nokia who helps MS to expand in the early years rather than the other way round. MS intention is to make money through software updates like in the PC market. I still remember last time when I want to upgrade my pda WinMo6.1 to WinMo6.5, they wanted to charge me RM126 for WinMo6.5 OS licence!!

And if the scenario (GREEN texts) you put up is true in the future, the real turkey will be you and other WP7 users, and MS will be the one dining turkey out of your wallet.

looking good? actually, after I did saw myself how really is w7 phones in youtube, they are quite interested to be tested
source of picture http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusi...ncept-revealed/

It kinda look cool but we'll see

Microsoft is really suck ! Want to make my mic working on my pc also so difficult ! Apple is really cool ! And not fragmented at all!

What about Xperia Play? And Playstation Suite? Are they running on WP7?

If Nokia did not integrate the Ovi maps into their mobile phones, it would be a big waste for them since they acquire the company that is specialize in navigating and mapping services.

For Android, I am still surveying for the suitable hardware manufacturer for me to invest in.

Hopefully the alliance will boost back the Nokia position.

+100.

Are you sure that it is the Windows fault? It might be hardware issues as well.

Latest news:

With Nokia and Microsoft alliance, WP7 will be changed to have this feature by end of 2011 with Nokia
will be the phone come out with the latest build of WP7:
Also, Microsoft and Nokia confirm that fragmentation will not happen because Nokia will set the minimum
hardware standard that all other manufacturer need to follow.

I believe Microsoft and Nokia will become future of mobile phone.... yahooo

'by end of 2011'. When that time comes, I doubt if Nokia's shares are still worth any money. And Android phones will be breathing fire by that time.

Fragmentation will not be a problem for WP7 (lol I dun remember anyone saying WP7 has that issue). The problem with WP7 is VARIETY. Making one device is not what Nokia needed to bounce back. Nokia will lose it's budget range smartphone sector.

Seeing as how Nokia failed to enter the netbook market with its Booklet 3G (remember this guy?), Nokia cannot afford another failed venture.

Don't worry. Be happy.

FYI, Nokia and Microsoft combine have a lot of cash.

Nokia is not going to do that, symbian is weak, and Android is too common from different manufacturers. Since Nokia is left behind from other manufacturers in term of RnD and experience in Android. Furthermore, even in the same platform Android, Nokia is very hard to compete with its competitors, they can only compete in term of hardware features. This will cost Nokia a lot $$$ in order to gain the crown.
Besides that, I think Nokia is focusing on quality rather than quantity. if too many platforms for nokia to develop, it will cost Nokia a lot $ and the quality is still unknown. But I believe Nokia will still continue Symbian for mid and low end market.

WP7 is good choice for nokia.
why?
it is rare, motorola and SE don't even have a wp7 concept device. HTC LG and Samsung have it but the number of models is still limited. It means that there is still a chance for Nokia to compete with others in this platform.
the new wp7 provides smoother interface than Android. The limited features we knows such as copy and paste soon will be released too.
The update is controlled by M$ and hence you can get update directly from M$. I can see that M$ is also focusing on the wp7 quality. They are slowly releasing good quality features through update rather than throwing you a bunch of buggy features.

Actually those that bash Nokia and Microsoft marriage are only 3 types:
a) user of other OS such as Android and iOS. We call them Androidfag and iFag
b) user of original Nokia Symbian/Meego/Maemo OS. We called them butthurtfag
c) haters of Microsoft

I believe they are combination of a) and b) or b) and c).

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Added on February 12, 2011, 7:18 pmby the way, Androidfag and iFag raging now because deep inside their heart:
a) Androidfag failed to get Nokia hardware which is acknowledged to be the best in the world to use Android. So they are really really butthurt yo coz they are stuck with lousy handphone maker
b) iFag actually think that WP7 UI is quite good. They feel threaten yo.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 12 2011, 07:18 PM

a) really? even those aunties and uncles who know nothing about the OS they're using? XD my gf's dad is using Xperia X10 mini pro...and he knows nothing about the OS...he just said, "WOW it's SOOO FAST!!! COMPARED TO SO MANY PHONES I'VE USED IN MY LIFE in 20 years!!!"

b) this i agree with you, symbian is usable, but it's outdated, especially its interface, they shud get on with it...

c) i'm a Microsoft hater but a Nokia lover, so errr......i hate Microsoft for their dirty business tactics, how they say Linux is inferior to M$ software when their software itself is flawed, and how they treat Linux users...i love Linux but I did not hate Microsoft, until i got deeper into the Linux world and learned about how Microsoft treated Linux...but funny, when it comes to hardware, i don't mind at all...i'm using a M$ mouse, and i dream of getting an Arc Mouse...so err?

and what do you mean lousy handphone maker?

- Samsung makes lousy handphones?
- Sony Ericsson makes lousy handphones?
- LG makes lousy handphones?
- Motorola makes lousy handphones?
- HTC makes lousy handphones?

so everybody makes lousy handphones except Nokia?

or you're saying that lousy handphone makers use android in their phones too? like those cheap shanzai phones from china, which many are utilizing android as their main OS instead of MTK because android is free and can be customized easily to their needs?

Just so that you know, the number of these shanzai handphone makers don't represent the majority of handphone makers....they don't represent quality handphone makers...

So what do you call people who love Microsoft and refuse to know and learn the truth behind things? Microfag? Smallfag? Picofag? Femtofag?

soon, somebody might just say, Microkiafag butthurt coz even after Microkia marriage happened and rolled out their awesome product running WP7 and hardware from Nokia they still fail to get even a significant % of market share.



This post has been edited by randytsx: Feb 12 2011, 07:52 PM

no more nokia after this. their reign is over

Too early to predict.

Example is HTC really make lousy handphones. Just look at the camera and GPS. Lousy compare to Nokia.
Just accept the fact that only Nokia can make gooding hardware yo.

Well, soon is future. Let's see how it work out. But I have good feeling in this.

Also, you hate M$ because of their business tactic? hahahahahahahahahaha ... tat's really ... laughable yo

Symbian is an established OS for me. Apple and Android offers something better.

At the same time, Nokia have to look out for their product quality. Cheap phone with unattractive specification is reasonable, but high end phone that suffer a lot of issues after released? That is something Nokia have to look out. Users are not guinea pigs. N97 and N8 are the proof.

Nokia is famous, so any problem that is related with them also being trumpet loudly.

So, you buy phones only for GPS and camera? Then why get a phone at all?

Yes as the future unfolds we will all see.

Seems like you don't know anything, as though your knowledge is built upon advertisements and other marketing ads. That's why you can so casually laugh at the matter

Nokia made 100% good phone. So having a good GPS and camera means Nokia is great camera maker and HTC is lousy camera make
which I have said earlier. I just reply a question. I don't mean to say phone is for GPS and camera. Don't put words into my mouth.

I laugh at the matters because I buy phone that is good. Not based on how M$ do their business last time. That's why I'm laughing
at him and now I'm laughing at you now. You guys are like those idiot tat boycott Jews product but their computar CPU is made
by Jews. Hahahahahaha

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 12 2011, 08:52 PM

@randytsx, no point entertaining him. You've done your best to present your points. Better save your energy for better cause. gogo2 is an obvious fanboy who doesn't understand the severity of a failed venture to Nokia at this moment. When he sees the light he will understand.

Wow, who are you? How you know the venture is failed? You're some clairvoyant from the future? But unfortunately you're not.
You're just some fanboys butthurt because Nokia dun wan to make phone for lousy OS such as Android.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 12 2011, 08:54 PM

While i am a Nokia user as well and i like it, i also think gogo2 is a little bit too 'far" about it.

gogo2,

I also like Nokia as well and reluctant to toss it for any brand yet, but try keep this to yourself. Hardly anyone is appreciating your effort as well. Just spend your time in more meaningful post if you are addicted to LYN like me, especially in the cupid corner or kopitiam.

How can it be too far when Nokia is making great hardware couple with great OS like WP7?

I'm posting meaningful post here by tell people why Nokia and Microsoft will win. Else, they won't married if they won't succeed.

I believe those that bash this glory alliance that have problem. They simply can't stomach the fact that Microsoft and Nokia will
be the greatest mobile manufacturer in the future.

As we know, Nokia sure die if they do anything soon. Symbian? haha.. Meego? I believe they know Meego is a problematic OS
for now since its probably not full fledge yet.

If you think people need to appreciate my effort, then you're wrong. They are just fanboys. They are the one who should rethink
why they hate M$ in the first place. Don't be like kid ok. Hatred is not welcome here in phone thread.

It's tiresome trying to explain facts to somebody who refuse to understand....First, are you even tech-savvy? Do you even know anything about what you're talking about? How much knowledge of computers and IT that you know? Why don't you go into the Android and Linux world and learn more about them first. No offense, but you're making yourself look more and more dumb and irrelevant with every post here... and also in the other threads that you posted your replies... I think it's best that you stop. If you are urged to reply, Google for more info first, and learn not only about WP7 / iOS or anything that only you are in favour of, but also things that you don't like because of ignorance, like Android, or even Linux.

You look like you're getting paid by Microsoft or Nokia to post here. Well, maybe you're doing this for the money...but if that's the case... ah well... sigh...

huh? after u failed in your argument, you said people dunno about IT and computer? haha.. ok la. what ever rock your boat.
also, after lost argument, some of the fanboy will say other is troll la. This la.

also, in your post above, you don't have anything better to say, pls dun reply. You're wasting bandwidth.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 12 2011, 09:26 PM

gogo2, I said the 'severity of a failed venture'. I did not say that the venture is a failed one.

Most of us who voiced our disappointment over Nokia choosing WP7 is because we see the adoption level of WP7 by USERS, which is disappointing to say the least. If this trend continues, the venture will fail to yield, which means Nokia going down.

Yes I butthurt coz Nokia did not choose android, or else Android will have good hardware. But even without Nokia, Android as a whole has been creeping up Nokia's @$$.

We're talking about brand survival here, and Android obviously offers a much better expansion and survival package. HTC will survive w/o WP7, so does Samsung, LG or Dell, because they all have Android.

But Nokia WILL, since they are all into this venture (like gamble 'Sai Lang'. Go watch God of Gamble if you dunno wat it means). If it fails, Nokia will be off the smartphone world. I don't even know what the other possibility is because the chances of Nokia going #1 with WP7 is very very bleak. Stock prices don't stay there constant to wait for the release of Nokia WP7.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 12 2011, 09:41 PM

If I continue to argue, the thread will get more and more irrelevant. Because you don't understand, and you refuse to understand, I need to go through a very complicated process, but even that doesn't guarantee that you'll learn.

First, I need to Google for links to all the websites that talk about Free & Open Source software, the concept of software freedom, then Linux, itself has many many different distros serving many many purposes, each distro with countless documents, tutorials and guides, before that you need to learn programming and scripting, which, consist of many many different languages, then talk about the various processors a particular Linux distro could run on, then before you could understand everything, you need to learn about mobile processors, then mobile platforms, what a mobile OS should be like, before you come to specific mobile OSes like WP7, iOS and Android.

And that's not all yet. *gasp*

So, you still insist that I continue to debate with you? That's why I told you, go learn before you say anything. Don't talk so much but all are pointless and makes you look like you don't know anything (which is, true?).

I love your post. Finally you talk straight instead of bashing me left and right.

I'm not sure why we talking about open source now. Are you saying that open source is the best?

^WTH? You only started to read after I posted that? Or I did not make my point about 'brand survival' much more clearer in my previous posts?

I've been talking about brand survival since the start of the discussion. I would appreciate it more if you have understood everything me and randy said in earlier posts.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 12 2011, 09:45 PM

anyway, I have not reply your post yet. wait ya...

This post has been edited by gogo2: Feb 12 2011, 09:51 PM

Because you're insulting Android without knowing anything. Do you know Android uses a modified Linux kernel? Do you know what's Linux?

PLEASE MOTHERf***ING LEARN ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW BEFORE POSTING.

Yes, open source is the best. Do you know what OSes or platforms most websites are hosted on?

EDIT: I feel bad for TS, sorry. gogo2 if you want to continue the debate, open a new thread and we can play there.

This post has been edited by randytsx: Feb 12 2011, 09:53 PM

how the fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuu i dunno about that... i'm linux user also... waffak..

also oracle suing stuff also i know...

we debate later.. i got something to do.

Well of course it will stay. Even MS won't drop support for Windows XP after Vista and Windows 7.

Nice argument here, like you guys are Stephen Elop +Steve Ballmer + Steve Jobs that trying to argue on forum in disguise. I don't know lowyat forum made it to America. Nicee

Link was "old news"

Later after that, Nokia has indicated on how will the support be, which is almost no support, especially for Symbian.

I bet, you supported oracle...but that has nothing to do with Linux....-.-

This post has been edited by randytsx: Feb 12 2011, 10:11 PM

Maybe the recent event will make Symbian programmers step up their game (to save their neck) and actually give us more updates.

For the OS?

no la. I no support anyone. Some more, Androidfag are starting to rewriting that part of code already

gogo2, my advice go learn about the thing you want to bash about first. Experience it first hand IMO.

But still due to the lack of WP7 adoption. it's probably a NoWin (pun intended) for Nokia and Microsoft.

Nokia + WP7 is a good combination. It is a good move. Whether it will succeed or not is another story. I am unable to predict the future.

But I have a simple logic on why Nokia + WP7 is better compared to Nokia + Android.

Scenario : Burger stall (Android) and Pizza outlet (WP7) in town A

There are about 50 burger stalls in town A and no Pizza outlet at all. And if I am Nokia, does it make sense for me to open the 51st burger stall? Well, my burger will taste good because I have my secret recipe (good camera etc). It will definitely sell well but I still share my profit pie with other burger stall.

Although my burger is the best, if I don't open my stall tomorrow, I lose business. My profit pie will be snatched by others. (this refers to regular updates etc)

If I open a Pizza outlet, I will be the 1st person. Well, my pizza will not outsell burgers as burgers are more popular. But hey, I am the only one selling pizza, and there are enough people who likes it (although not as much as burger lovers). I don't need to share my profit pie. I still make money. I will come up with new recipe and will try my level best to promote my pizza so that more people leave burger for pizza.

Tomorrow if I decide to close shop for a day, I don't need to worry of losing my business (this refers to irregular updates etc)

I know that if my pizza business is good, there will be more people who opens pizza outlet. Before that happens, I can either patent it (get exclusivity) and franchise it or; I can let new players to come in because my pizza business is already established. When pizza is mentioned, everyone will remember my outlet.

Now, to those who feels, "why not both burger and pizza at the same time?" I don't have enough resources. I rather concentrate on one thing and do it well rather than stepping in everywhere and be average everywhere.