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The reason for me to compare such way is because the 1st 15 Android phones were neither cheap. They were high end phones too. The lower end phones just came into the market.

Even most of the low end Android phones in the market today are crappy ones which can't fully make use of the OS (mainly due to screen resolution). Android has its minimum requirement too e.g. a min screen resolution but they don't implement a restriction which I don't understand why. Are they going for quantity and not quality? Looks like it.

Most of the low end Android phones that I've used were nightmares after switching from some decent Android models. Even now, the cheapest Android phone with decent screen resolution will be the HTC Aria which is nearly RM1500.

I believe WP7 @ Microsoft don't want to sacrifice the quality for the sake of quantity and that is why they have restriction (and that MAY change too in the near future).

Even if Nokia comes up with low end WP7 phones, it will cause another problem as they will kill their own lower end S30/S40 models. Those OS are less buggy / stable compared to Symbian and having a good sale worldwide too.



Time frame from the launch of Desire HD and HTC HD7 was less than a month. Was that way toooooo long for you? And I don't see anyone actively promoting HTC Desire HD either.

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 14 2011, 11:38 AM

^that's the point. Because more promo was done for HD7. Now someone said HTC was to be faulted for the lack of promotion of WP7. Isn't that contradictory?

And since when ppl started expecting awesomeness from low end phones? You pay what you get (dun talk about 2nd hand and old models). You pay kancil price, you get kancil. You pay Gallardo price, you get Gallardo. But the point made by Android is variation. They can make both Kancil and Gallardo.

WP7, in terms of specs can only make Gallardo. Now someone said Nokia leads in the Kancil segment. Adopting a platform that will limit resources to your lead selling sector, isn't that, for the lack of another word, stupid?

And to reiterate a point, not everyone wants a Gallardo, though however attractive that idea might be.

Nokia owning half of the WP7 in the agreement. OMG, if you never read stuff, pls dun post here lah.

yeah, but Nokia can do anything they want yo

yeah, only you is clear minded on this. The other are clouded with hatred for Microsoft. They think its cool to hate Microsoft.

What you talking about? Mostly replies are sensible. But because you're fanboy, you can't take different idea from what you can brain.

That's so wrong. After Nokia come out with WP7, you'll realise it looks like Symbian because it has Ovi maps and other feature from Symbian OS.

because HTC and other manufacturer busy promoting android... so Microsoft angry and give all to Nokia.

That's so wrong. Android is clone from Senzhen la. You go see around. Those China phone are using Android. Its proven that Android
is pasar malam OS clone...I no support piracy...

^lol it's as if you've seen a working Nokia WP7. You and your high hopes on this 'awesome' Nokia WP7 amuses me.

Wouldn't it be shameful if a ShenZhen small company can make more money from Android fake phone than Nokia can from ori WP7 phones?

Oh yeah, I forgot. You know nothing about neither Android nor WP7.

This really sums up what I think.

Nokia needs plastic surgery not a brain transplant

A real leader would seek to fix the problems. Symbian isn't a bad operating system, it just needs a makeover. Definitely the user interface is dated, but the performance is there. The core is solid. Nokia's software and Ovi services platforms do desperately need cosmetic surgery. Instead, Elop proposes a brain transplant, by swapping out Symbian (and Meego) and Ovi for Windows Phone and Live services (except for maps). A brain transplant will kill the patient.

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/...lant/1297657921

Hot sauce pls?
What you say cannot be confirmed w/o valid sources.

Anyway, they already too slowpoke. Many already jump ship (me included).
I don't want something to look like a Symbian, i want the features in a better UI with less performance issues.

Thus, i picked Android.

Care to clarify more? If android keep giving compatibility problems, there wont be people buying new devices and let a lone more developers embracing Android SDK for the past 365days.

This is what Rovio said here : http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/angry-...blems-20101119/
-"With our latest update, we worked hard to bring Angry Birds to even more Android devices. Despite our efforts, we were unsuccessful in delivering optimal performance."
-The 17 now-unsupported devices, as well as a general exclaimer regarding custom ROMs and Android 1.5 owners will be unable to use the current official version of Angry Birds.
-Rovio made changes to their game that increased the required resources to an unnecessary level
-this has nothing at all to do with fragmentation, but rather a mistake on Rovio’s part that is being corrected in the form of a lightweight version

You are giving twisted facts.


Oic... got any apps which works like that where only 2.1 able to run but 2.2 , 2.3 and all newer iteration will crash?

By the way, if there are apps which works on 2.1 but wont be working on 1.6, i dont think developers even give a damn to this issue. versions older than 2.1 is way lesser and users who still using 1.6 or 1.5 might be those 2years+ budget phone users which i dont think they give a damn much on apps that extend.


Please stop posting twisted facts, this is the last thing we need in tech forum. Steve Jobs made twisted facts on Android to divert buyers away from buying Android phones and he really earns more $ by saying twisted facts, but you didnt.

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Added on February 14, 2011, 3:44 pmThats true if they just polish up Symbian and continue to use it for low and mid end market. But we all know what will happen once Nokia kick Symbian out from their face.

This post has been edited by techmostwanted: Feb 14 2011, 03:44 PM

Wow. So many strong opinions. Some well-worded and some just 1-sentence trolling.

I suggest just wait and see what happens.

The issue lies with Nokia. Why wanted to dump out so many years of hard work?

Why not do some radical changes to make Symbian more competitive or perhaps change name and edit some of it feature to make it nicer if people are so fascinated with the new names.

It is quite a sad story actually and i really wonder what have those people in Symbian foundation been doing for the past few years.

Once Symbian developers and OS developers are out of Nokia, i believe Google is eagerly waiting for them.

im totally agree from the bottom of my heart.

@ DJFoo000. I see that you statements contradict with each other.

Your earlier statement was :


Your next statement was :


Earlier, you are the one who said that HD7 is not being actively promoted. Later, you said that more promo was done for HD7. So whazzup?

You also mentioned the following :



So the someone that you said is yourself right? So you actually realised that you are contradicting with your very own points.



Well, it is easy to say but unfortunately human nature works this way :-
1) they want Kancil price for Gallardo.
2) they know that they can't buy Gallardo at Kancil price
3) they get settled with Kancil
4) they compare Kancil with Gallardo and then say Kancil sucks

Ok, that was out of topic. Now......Kancil and Gallardo is not the same. Kancil is KANCIL and Gallardo is GALLARDO. Android just doesn't fit into your example.

Let me give an example. Perodua makes Viva Elite EZi and sell for RM45000. It is a full spec Viva.

At the same time Perodua also makes Viva 660 BX which doesn't have air-cond, radio etc. It is being sold for RM25000.

Hey, anyone can do this shit. So what is so special with that? It is not that a company CAN'T do it but it is a matter of whether the company WANTS to do it or not.



Who is THIS SOMEONE? Also you? Well, I am just curious because that's what happened above.

Anyway, nothing wrong with that statement. Nokia CAN do Gallardo (WP7) and they can also do Kancil (Series 40). Do you know that they can even do bicycle? (Series 20).

Why would Nokia want to take out aircond, radio, music compartment from a Gallardo and sell it at Kancil's price? As mentioned above, they already have Kancil and they don't need to sell their Gallardo at Kancil's price. So............I don't see any stupidity there

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 14 2011, 09:49 PM

A big serious WHAT THE HELL to you. Do you even read the things that you quoted me in the context that I wrote? You left out a lot of bits in the thing that you quoted me. Seriously. Please read back what you quoted me in THE ORIGINAL post that I wrote it in.

The HD7 thing, the ENTIRE sentence was:



DO you even know what I said? What I meant? What is the context?

Please no UMNO style rephrasing words here. You want to quote then quote properly.

Shit you Microkia fags should really learn to read, like every word (i respectfully leave out those who do read every word).

Gosh why is it so hard for ppl to just read and reply in an orderly manner? First you ppl came up with contradictory statements, then you misquoted me and said I'm the one who's contradictory. You know in online forums you can't debate without learning how to read.

To answer your part containing kancil and bicycle. Developing S20 and S40 has always been a Nokia proprietary thing. We're talking about smartphones here. S40 and S20 are not smartphone platforms.

And I quote nicholasbeh regarding Nokia being leading seller in low segment phones.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1750092/+120#

OK maybe I shouldn't bring that quote in in the first place because obviously Nokia's best sellers in that segment are not smartphones in the first place.


I lazy talk to you until you re-read everything I said and fully understand them in the context they are being said in.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 14 2011, 10:40 PM

Of course I read. Just because you don't know English (I assume because you deny your own statement now), I can't help much. Probably you can help your self by staying away instead of arguing just for the sake of "jaga muka".

Probably you want to read all YOUR posts again and if you still don't understand what you have said, probably you need a translator .

Even now you are not explaining your context and coming up with new things which is nowhere related to phones such as UMNO. I've quoted your statements properly. It is you who don't understand on what are you saying here in the 1st place.

Don't worry. I will not call you a faggot because the word is not enough to describe you. I've SHOWN that you contradict. You are just SAYING that I am contradicting. Those who can't agree with your bullshit are contradicting to you? Come on, get a life.

Alright, S20 and S40 is Nokia proprietary thing and it is not a smartphone which I am not bothered about because I've already explained on why WP7 may not need low end phones at this point of time.



Well, I don't remember saying anything AGAINST Nokia being leading seller in low segment phones . So why are you mentioning this NOW to me?



Phrase corrected. Thank you

M$ is really returning now
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/live-fr...west&refresh=60

as i said earlier, m$ is being conservative to the design of wp7, it will slowly release useful high-quality features one by one. =)
The update is very promising !

FINE. I explain will explain this:



In the English language, this method of presenting a statement is meant to question one's awareness of a situation, which is 'HD7 was available on the market before Desire HD'.

The follow up statement was meant to question one's awareness that WP7 was being actively promoted, by mentioning that 'HD7 was available on the market before Desire HD', implying to one that HD7 was being actively promoted.

At post #133, you said

Of which I said



In post #124, you wrote



You whining about 'it is still early' implies that you think WP7 was not promoted enough.

Please tell me, at which point did I contradict myself? It is you who twisted my statements.

Gosh I really need to bring myself down to your level to make statements eh?

Anyway, go read gogo2's posts. I might be refering to his posts when I was making my point.

This post has been edited by DJFoo000: Feb 14 2011, 11:49 PM

Erm, who is your English teacher by the way? Which English school ever thought that way TOO LONG is actually JUST before?



The quote above did NOT mean the way you are currently explaining, seriously. Is that your fault or mine?




Here is where your English fails miserably, AGAIN. I never mention anything about PROMOTION.

YOU SAID that WP7 phones don't have significant difference and I REPLIED with "but if you are comparing 15 WP7 phones in total (and mostly from the same maker), you can't expect a significant difference YET. It is still early."

How the HECK did PROMOTION came into the picture? Brother, you drunk ar?



No point telling. You still won't realise because you don't understand English. Otherwise you would have realised by now.



Haha, you are a big joker lar bro. As if now you are a PhD holder from Cambridge University and you have to come "down" to my level

lol this thread has fallen way out of topic...

Unfortunately for Android fans, it'll be quite doubtful to see Android on Nokia hardware anytime soon.

the problem with this Androidfag is that they think they are good in English, IT, Linux and what shit. But actually they don't know that
we are better than them. And I saw some of their post saying they just finish class. OMG...we're already have >10 years developing
linux product and what's not. And this 2" want to challenge us. What the hell.

That's why all the butthurt yo.