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 Nokia and Microsoft enter strategic alliance !, Symbian will be phased out, Meego stays

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post Feb 13 2011, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Feb 13 2011, 09:41 AM)
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plan A:nokia+android plan B:nokia+microsoft what about plan C or even plan D?
plan A is definitely not a smart move coz there are plenty of player in the market.plan B,yeah,nokia probably will dominant the pizza(WP7) market but look at 10 devices launched at past few months ago,total 2million sales.its even lower than a single phone powered by symbian 3,N8.
y not plan C?since symbian is very mature OS,why not continue their investment by modifying it to be more user friendly,fix some bugs and it just need a little bit improvement.symbian major problem is UI.their UI is very not user friendly compared to android,iOS and WP7.second problem,default browser,nokia/symbian have noticed the problem of browser and they promise will launch an update on the future for new browser.
look at symbian pros and cons compared to the other OS.(i point out the major factor only)
Pros
1.bluetooth is easiest to use
2.Ovi Maps and Garmin support which is the best gps software
3.plug and play,connect to pc,laptop,other electronic device is easy,fast and no need any software to sync(i feel annoying when i use sgs,iphone)

Cons
1.lousy UI which is not suitable for finger use.very not user friendly
2.internet browser is problematic,old,not user friendly as well.browser crash always happen
3.a lot of bugs waiting to fix..

so now they are adopting WP7 and abandoning symbian 3?such a giant like Nokia never keep their word?updates?besides that,i don't understand y they burning so much money in investing symbian,meego,qt in the past and now they just abandoned it by switching to another platform.it doesn't make sense.
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Plan C is down trending. No business will continue selling something which is not going to sell. No business is going to spend on R&D for something which is not going sell. Things like OVI, plug and play etc will eventually be transferred to WP7. Don't you think so?


Added on February 13, 2011, 1:25 pm
QUOTE(DJFoo000 @ Feb 13 2011, 11:28 AM)
@ViRaViRa, you forgot to factor in one condition: you're in desperate need to regain market dominance, and your store has shareholders. You have invested too much in sushi (analog for symbian). While you're still formulating the 'perfect' pizza, your investors are not earning any money (you tell them you will stop selling sushi, and WILL BE SELLING pizza, means you in R&D now, not earning any money).

You tell them your pizza will work, but other stores that sell both burger and pizza give feedback that pizzas are not selling well. Shareholders lari. Left you and the pizza distributor. Pizza distributor might be distributing other products too, so they can survive. But you can't, coz your stall is ALL IN in the pizza business.
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Pizza is already formulated by Microsoft. Perfection doesn't exist in this business. Recipe is already there, so R&D is minimum. Shareholders will also leave if sushi doesn't do well. The difference is whether now or in next few months.

Other stores concentrate more on burger compared to pizza. People are bored eating the same pizzas in those shops (same old model, all same "recipe"). They don't give feedback that pizzas are NOT SELLING WELL. They are just saying that burgers sell more than pizzas; and they continue selling more burger. Share holders lari or not, it depends on how the pizza sells. Like mentioned above, pizza still sells but just not as many as burgers.


Added on February 13, 2011, 1:29 pm
QUOTE(cy97 @ Feb 13 2011, 11:31 AM)
It is not really a good analogy!

Anyway hope NoWin dun end up like Shakey Pizza! Anyway I hardly eat pizza!
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Explain why. You don't have a reason to say that Nokia will end up like shakeys pizza unless :
1) you have a good reason which supersedes my reasoning.
2) you can predict future.

p/s : I see that Shakeys pizza is doing good too smile.gif


Added on February 13, 2011, 1:31 pm
QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ Feb 13 2011, 11:47 AM)
+5.
+100.

Nokia is taking a huge gamble about this step. New things surely being hammered by critics until they prove that they can bear good fruits, then it will silenced by the success.

I really hope that Microsoft can modify the WP7 radically.
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They have to gamble, for the reasons I've mentioned above in my scenario. Business is all about trying out something new to succeed. It may fail but if it did not? Imagine where will it be then smile.gif

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 13 2011, 01:44 PM
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post Feb 13 2011, 02:15 PM

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strategic alliance or strategic microsoft take over?

Nokia USA president is out, replaced by Microsoft vet Chris Weber as Elopocalypse continues
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post Feb 13 2011, 02:19 PM

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i dont think microsoft will allow nokia modify their os so much to be nokia alike phone..since microsoft so strict to wp7.
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post Feb 13 2011, 02:37 PM

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pity intel with Meego, which is does'nt go ..
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post Feb 13 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(shogun_125 @ Feb 13 2011, 02:37 PM)
pity intel with Meego, which is does'nt  go ..
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AMD also rite? hmm.gif

They also join forces to make MeeGo go iirc.
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post Feb 13 2011, 02:49 PM

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yes AMD as well.but its too early to conclude everything.lets see tomorrow MWC2011 at Barcelona.
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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Feb 13 2011, 02:49 PM)
yes AMD as well.but its too early to conclude everything.lets see tomorrow MWC2011 at Barcelona.
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True, have to wait for MWC. Hopefully i'll go along just fine.
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post Feb 13 2011, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Feb 13 2011, 02:19 PM)
i dont think microsoft will allow nokia modify their os so much to be nokia alike phone..since microsoft so strict to wp7.
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You're wrong. Nokia is actually owning half of WP7. And WP7 will include Ovi and Symbian port. So means Nokia can change
anything they want with WP7.

I don't understand why you guys don't understand how big changes WP7 will be made by Nokia. I find it weird.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 13 2011, 03:35 PM)
You're wrong. Nokia is actually owning half of WP7. And WP7 will include Ovi and Symbian port. So means Nokia can change
anything they want with WP7.

I don't understand why you guys don't understand how big changes WP7 will be made by Nokia. I find it weird.
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We're just skeptical of the degree of changes that nokia is allowed to make on WP7.

As we all saw on HTC's line of WP7, the did not Sense the thing up. (Like they did with everything else.)

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So yeah, that's my concern right there.
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post Feb 13 2011, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 13 2011, 03:35 PM)
You're wrong. Nokia is actually owning half of WP7. And WP7 will include Ovi and Symbian port. So means Nokia can change
anything they want with WP7.

I don't understand why you guys don't understand how big changes WP7 will be made by Nokia. I find it weird.
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ok.final product not yet release and we have no point to argue bout it.
what about their promises to symbian user?such a giant company keep cheating their customer and their promise never come true.
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QUOTE(41LY45 @ Feb 13 2011, 03:45 PM)
We're just skeptical of the degree of changes that nokia is allowed to make on WP7.

As we all saw on HTC's line of WP7, the did not Sense the thing up. (Like they did with everything else.)

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So yeah, that's my concern right there.
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How can you compare HTC a handphone maker to alliance of Nokia and Microsoft? doh.gif that's so wrong.

U see such announcement between HTC and Microsoft when they come out with WP7? No. Because its just normal deal between software and hardware maker.

This is alliance between Nokia and Microsoft. This is gang up. This is SPPARRTAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Added on February 13, 2011, 4:12 pm
QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Feb 13 2011, 04:04 PM)
ok.final product not yet release and we have no point to argue bout it.
what about their promises to symbian user?such a giant company keep cheating their customer and their promise never come true.
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What to do? After going with Symbian so long and not making an inroad, Nokia need to do something
drastic. You go around ask people what they think of Symbian. Bad impression. N8 symbian might be
good. But unfortunately, it is a dead OS as far as market is concern.

The promise to Symbian developer is during when market still good for Symbian (although both iOS and
Android around). But end of last year until now, the Android gain so much market share that Nokia
need to jump off the burning platform like MeeGo and Symbian.

This is because WP7 is proven OS. Its good OS. Some said better than iOS and defintely better than
Android.

Sometimes, you have to break some promise if you're in dire state. When you're dying, you don't cling
to dying platform. You have to jump. You have to so something drastic.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 13 2011, 04:06 PM)
How can you compare HTC a handphone maker to alliance of Nokia and Microsoft?  doh.gif that's so wrong.

U see such announcement between HTC and Microsoft when they come out with WP7? No. Because its just normal deal between software and hardware maker.

This is alliance between Nokia and Microsoft. This is gang up. This is SPPARRTAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Added on February 13, 2011, 4:12 pm
What to do? After going with Symbian so long and not making an inroad, Nokia need to do something
drastic. You go around ask people what they think of Symbian. Bad impression. N8 symbian might be
good. But unfortunately, it is a dead OS as far as market is concern.

The promise to Symbian developer is during when market still good for Symbian (although both iOS and
Android around). But end of last year until now, the Android gain so much market share that Nokia
need to jump off the burning platform like MeeGo and Symbian.

This is because WP7 is proven OS. Its good OS. Some said better than iOS and defintely better than
Android.

Sometimes, you have to break some promise if you're in dire state. When you're dying, you don't cling
to dying platform. You have to jump. You have to so something drastic.
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We'll see how that goes. tongue.gif

MeeGo ain't a buring platform mang!!! Symbian is!!! whistling.gif

It's just "slow" as Elop said.

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post Feb 13 2011, 04:30 PM

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@gogo2, lol everything they do now is justifiable to you. Like literally, every action. Even what you call 'androidfags' also got tons of dissatisfaction towards Android and Google, but obviously reasonable ones.

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QUOTE(DJFoo000 @ Feb 13 2011, 04:30 PM)
@gogo2,  lol everything they do now is justifiable to you. Like literally, every action. Even what you call 'androidfags' also got tons of dissatisfaction towards Android and Google, but obviously reasonable ones.
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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Feb 13 2011, 04:33 PM)
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QUOTE(41LY45 @ Feb 13 2011, 04:28 PM)
We'll see how that goes.  tongue.gif

MeeGo ain't a buring platform mang!!! Symbian is!!!  whistling.gif

It's just "slow" as Elop said.
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MeeGo haven't come out yet... and iOS and Android keep on grabbing shares... surely MeeGo is part of burning platform...
slow means burning liao...

QUOTE(DJFoo000 @ Feb 13 2011, 04:30 PM)
@gogo2,  lol everything they do now is justifiable to you. Like literally, every action. Even what you call 'androidfags' also got tons of dissatisfaction towards Android and Google, but obviously reasonable ones.
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Of course its justifiable. Its all based on market and timing bro. If Nokia keep on with what they are doing, can die man. Can die.

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RUN!
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Dun run la. I won't eat u all.

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Although I hate microsoft, maybe its best for the dying Nokia. Most handphone user here in Malaysia didn't know about WP7, android, or iOS. But they do know which is Nokia, Samsung, SE, iPhone or HTC. Nokia still leading in handphone manufacturer, so this is a win for Microsoft to expend their Mobile OS user.

On the other hand... I don't think Google lost anything in this race. Google mission is to get more people connected to the internet and use their service like Search, Youtube, Gmail, Docs, and many more. Nokia+Microsoft help them doing it. So its a big win for Google.

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Feb 13 2011, 03:35 PM)
You're wrong. Nokia is actually owning half of WP7. And WP7 will include Ovi and Symbian port. So means Nokia can change
anything they want with WP7.

I don't understand why you guys don't understand how big changes WP7 will be made by Nokia. I find it weird.
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Got proof, bos?


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Meego is kind of good. I've tried it on my netbook before.

It lacked apps though. So few you can count them with your fingers.Other than that if it picks up with speed, fluidity and had more apps on the same level as Android/iOS it could be a good challenger.

Since when Nokia is owning half of WP7?
It was only Nokia's exclusivity to Symbian with very few other brands using Symbian that made them distinctive.
Going with WP7 doesn't make them this way. LG, HTC, Acer, Dell compete directly with them. In fact there are some other brands such as HTC which makes phone with higher built quality than Nokia when it comes to speaker phone quality, screens & etc.

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