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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Liverpool 3-1 MU- Suarez+Kuyt Combo!

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nando
post Feb 9 2011, 10:56 PM

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I know KD is flexible but this is an interesting article....

Jonathan Wilson is one of the best columnist on tactics...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/...ilson-liverpool


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post Feb 9 2011, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Feb 9 2011, 11:03 PM)
ah, non-stop football action for me then. Manchester derby follow by Liverpool-Wigan. I'm still learning to understand KD's method of pass and move though.
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pass the ball and immediately make yourself available to receive the next pass?
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post Feb 9 2011, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Feb 9 2011, 11:19 PM)
really? so far i still haven't quite catch up. maybe i will concentrate more during this weekend match.
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oh, that was just a classic quote from the golden days of Liverpool in the 70's 80s. It simply described the passing game Liverpool is famous for. To remind every players to pass the ball properly to a mate (as opposed to a hoof or speculative long ball) and then immediately run to a position ready to receive the next pass (very much like the way Xavi and Iniesta is doing it now eh?). that is why Liverpool was often regarded at the most `continental' team in Britain. One forummer even have a signature where a football personnel said that its easy to know which is Liverpool during the days of black & white tv. They are usually the team with the ball.



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post Feb 10 2011, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 10 2011, 03:09 PM)
Interesting you should post this. Reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend some time back. Whilst its nice to see your team score spectacular goals, it is at the some time discerning that we had to rely on the spectacular to win games. I'm sure goals like Riise's freekick against the mancs, Gerrard's against Olympiacos/West Ham or Xabi's against Luton provide good talking points but I'd much rather we work out how to score simple ones, because this means the team played well, not the individual. Its good to know we can score 30 yard screamers but its more important to know that we can create opportunities for simple tap-ins. Look at how the team attacks now. Often you see players attacking in triangles, or 3's, passing the ball about and running into space. When you have players playing ahead of the one in possession, you give him options to move the ball forward. Not long ago, we struggled to get past average sides because they had more men behind the ball, and we were afraid to over commit men forward, hence our forward players were always outnumbered. Quite often we played the ball up to their penalty box and either lost possession or had to pass it back to a deeper player coming from midfield to belt it towards goal. Nowadays, we play the ball into the opposition box, to feet more often.
may not be directly related but there used to be a debate (when Gerrard was considering a huge money move away from Liverpool) about Gerrard the midfielder. Everyone agrees he is spectacular- full of energy, hollywood passes, tireless running, grab game by scruff of neck, bombastic long distance strikes...
i remember reading some comments that this hollywood style of play is not alway effective and lack consistencies. The argument is that true midfield leaders/winners are not spectacular but are rather simple players. They keep the formation of the team and makes things simple. People like Keano or Vierra. Gerrard is sometimes guilty of wanting to do too much himself or aiming for the impossible.

Anyway, the Agger pic made me realised that most of our players, have been playing in a series of competitive matches without resting?

IF these same players do well against Wigan this weekend, it will provide a compelling argument against the need to rest/rotate players who are healthy/fit and motivated.

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post Feb 11 2011, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 11 2011, 05:30 PM)
Also, judging by Lucas' tweets, he is a genuinely nice, down to earth kinda chap.

I doubt anyone hires a PR firm to write one's tweets laugh.gif
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Ok, hands up, i admit..i am not a fan of Lucas....but i do know he is is nice guy and a representative of what's good in the game today- down to earth, sleeves roll up, work hard and be a team player...

I do admit Lucas has improved. tremendously. But there is still a long way to go before he becomes a title-winning kind of midfielder...I hope he will...a nice role model..


Does that mean i can expect Poulsen to improve next year also? haha

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post Feb 12 2011, 11:31 PM

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i've seen enough of Luiz to convince me he will be a glorious player for us...dangerous and full of confidence...

Oh Torres...you've could have benefited from such an intelligent player...

oh well, Carroll will benefit from it...
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post Feb 13 2011, 12:05 AM

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not happy with what i am seeing......living dangerously...hopefully a 2nd will come soon...
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post Feb 13 2011, 12:55 AM

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Wigan played very well today...


We need another 1-2 more potent attackers. Clearly Suarez is class. But Jova, Ngog, Maxi are quite ordinary players...few runs and passes here and there but nothing `deadly' about them...

hopefully Carroll will provide the answer....

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post Feb 15 2011, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 15 2011, 09:41 AM)
Let's not poke fun at Chelsea or belittle Torres anymore. We have our own troubles to sort out.
And honestly, so does Torres it seems.
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I agree. we dropped 2 points against Wigan (although i must admit they played very well). Hopefully the boys will put together a series of fine run and bring in the points. And hope Sunderland, Spurs and Chelsea falters...

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post Feb 15 2011, 06:54 PM

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not everyone who come in here and question Ngog is fickle minded or unreasonable.

While I dont immature fans coming here to scapegoats 1-2 players everytime we have a poor result, lets be fair to those who have a fair point to make.

Regarding Ngog, I am not crying for the management to sell him or ship him out. He's young and he has scored for us. He probably needs time to develop.
But i do have my doubts if Ngog can be a leading, menacing striker for us to win the league. Of course, in terms of hierarchy, we know that there is higher expectancy on Suarez, Carroll or evey Kuyt to score as compared to Ngog. But this is where the issue of our squad being a bit too thin to challenge for the title. Once the first 11 are injured/tired, players like Ngog are still finding it a bit too difficult to come in and do the job.

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QUOTE(hfi @ Feb 15 2011, 08:44 PM)
My take on Ngog is that he's still quite raw and its more of an issue of mental development rather than technical. He has one of the best first touches in this team, he looks so comfortable with the ball at his feet - contrast that to say Babel and Kuyt. He needs to toughen up mentally - be more confident and ruthless, and not smile all the time haha. It's pretty early to say what kind of striker he will become but i would like to see he plays the role of a deep lying striker like Anelka. Despite the obvious limitations, I still think he's a very decent back up. He's twice the player Babel was and a major improvement to our previous back ups like Mellor etc.
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hope so. to be fair, a backup striker is a difficult job. Sporadic appearances and people expect you to dribble like a wizard and score a miracle goal.
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post Feb 27 2011, 11:45 PM

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Gerrard was poor...Lucas cant carry the midfield on his own...
Ngog...no defenders are terrified of him...a harmless player actually...
only Suarez looked capable of coming up with something...

shows how bad we can be when 4-5 players are our of sorts.....worrying, actually.
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post Mar 2 2011, 10:04 AM

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MU will be like wounded animal in next match. better hope our out of sorts defenders are not on the receiving end of a bashing!

Getting a good result over MU will mean a lot but we gotta followup by beating lesser teams too



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post Mar 6 2011, 10:25 PM

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i LOVE NANI!
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post Mar 6 2011, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(overthemoon @ Mar 6 2011, 10:20 PM)
No matter what Pepe said in his interview, I still love that guy ... See how he came out to diffuse the near-fracas involving Nani ...
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you should see what Raul did to Nani...
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post Mar 6 2011, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 6 2011, 10:34 PM)
Goals, dribbles, tackles, play acting and handbags. Good game so far. Get to see all the good, the bad and ugly of football derby. Cmon you reds!
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not to mention the tears....wow...
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post Mar 6 2011, 10:38 PM

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stay focus boys..Its only 2-0 and its still Manchester Utd..bring it home boys and make us proud!
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post Mar 7 2011, 02:12 PM

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wish Liverpool can play like this against the bottom clubs.....well, no complaints...Standard Kampung (as they so `affectionally' call us..) won...! hehehehe

i really like the idea of Kuyt being played as a true striker..

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post Mar 7 2011, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Mar 7 2011, 08:09 PM)
i think the MU-Liv rivalry has been long there before SAF joins. the rivalry started mainly due to non-football reasons actually, both cities being port cities. Liverpool was the dominant port city, before the Manchester canal opened and since then the citizens from both cities are taking the mickey over each other. And for English, what better way to bring this city rivalry to be "decided" other than football!

Oh, and there's no press conference by SAF or any other MU team is that they have called for an indefinite close-door policy after the FA charge over the Chelsea comments. there's not even a pre-match interview the day before the match. just FYI.
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it started long ago but it became nasty after SAF came in. Not blaming him entirely but his ultra competitiveness resulted in some cynical remarks about Liverpool. Like you said, the simultaneous decline of Liverpool coupled with the dominance of MU makes the rivalry spicier

And then, there is Gary Neville...... doh.gif doh.gif

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post Mar 8 2011, 09:01 AM

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Guardian quoting Kenny Dalglish
"It is three points but it is not the end of the season for us just because we have had a fantastic result against a team leading the table''
`"But you can never take away the disappointment of West Ham. We can use that as a reference point."'

Aye to that!!



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