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post Mar 8 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Mar 8 2011, 02:37 PM)
Yeah i also rate Vidic as one of the best CB in the world nowadays.. I dunno why they want to make a comparison all that.. Now they digging our dirty gameplay all that.. Is that make they saint/innocent n never make mistakes? WTF!!!  shakehead.gif
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Short sighted fans often pick on the latest incident, blow it out our of proportion, convince themselves that it happens all the time and then spread the word to fellow short sighted fans who have either not followed football long enough to make their own judgement call, or are off the variety who take in what others say as fact because they can't be arsed to do their own research.

By tomorrow, Liverpool will be labeled as a dirty team, worse than Sam Allardyce's Bolton or in an extreme case, Wimbledon's infamous "Crazy Gang". Selective memory is what it is. Then again I can't hold it against anyone who doesn't think historical facts and trends are important.
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post Mar 8 2011, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(leongtat @ Mar 8 2011, 02:51 PM)
Seriously, all this take it like a man is bullshit... who will ever want to play in EPL anymore when dangerous tackle is appear every where? I seriously can't take it when somemore saying... yeah diving c***... serve him right... did any of liverpool player dun dive dun play antics? I doubt that...

Why people are more concentrate on Nani antics rather than carra tackle? I understand Nani antics all this while but if you do follow man utd match losely, he had it cut down completely... he no longer goes down easily after slight tackle and get back straight up... I lose count how many broken leg suffered from dangerous tackle... is that what we want to watch? Nani is just trying to make a case to ref that he is badly injured from Carra... n i seriously think he deserve more than a sent off....

For the nani case, if you look closely too... Nani did not realise there is a big gash on his leg until he show to ref... the gash is cover under the socks and when he try to show to the ref, he himself got it shocks too...

For those who saying yeah this is liverpool thread go back to your own thread please... please think twice again... A dangerous tackle is more threatening or an intentional elbow is more dangerous? Both warrant a red and lengthy ban but which are more life threatening to the player???
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What more is there to be said about Carra's tackle? He admits he was wrong and went to personally apologise? What now? Should he become Nani's sex slave for a month as well? Not his fault you lot won't let him see Nani in person. My point isn't to absolve Carra of blame. It is to clarify that he isn't a "dirty player" but some people choose to think so because of ONE F*CKING incident. To state their case, they back up their claims with statements like, "I'm sure it's not the first time one", "He's done it before one". Ok, WHEN?

In terms of rules, I think they are clear enough. A tackle like this warrants a red card. Do we want to now charge players with assault on top off it all? If so, I agree. Players who break the legs of others with intent, should be treated as any other violent offender should.

"Taking it like a man" doesn't mean you can't cry. I said earlier that it takes a man to own up to his mistakes and apologise but it also takes a man to forgive. So now is Nani angry at Carra or your club for not making a bigger deal of it? Did Carra organise street protests when Lucas Neill broke his leg? Did Eduardo go to court? Do Liverpool players dive? Of f*cking course. I think it's been established over and over. Who the f*ck said Nani dived when Carra went into him anyway? State your case.

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QUOTE(tevez32 @ Mar 8 2011, 03:11 PM)
Congrats on your win guys. But 1 thing i cannot accept, the fans in anfield are known as the best fans in the world. But some Asian fans are claiming they are also the best fans in the world. How pathetic, I wonder how many of you have been to anfield before?
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I have but that isn't the point. As harsh as your comment sounds, it is true. I think more Liverpool fans worldwide should model themselves after local fans.
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QUOTE(shenmue @ Mar 8 2011, 03:13 PM)
oh man....your very own roy keane were famous for those dangerous tackling....some of it he got scot free
it was a football game and this thing happens....
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Forget about the Roy Keane incident. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Let's focus our discussion on this incident alone. I am really looking forward to my points being refuted.
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Mar 8 2011, 03:24 PM)
What is the point for me to reply to someone that keep on using f*ck in his post?
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Oh and c*nt isn't a bad word?

What has my language got to do with the points I've made?

You are accusing individuals of focusing more on Nani's antics rather than Carra's tackle.

FACT 1: We've established that Carra was at fault and it was a tackle worthy of a red.
FACT 2: Carra tried to apologise after.

What more do you want to add?

Here is another fact.

Nani is making more noise than players who have actually had their legs broken, including Carra.
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QUOTE(tevez32 @ Mar 8 2011, 03:24 PM)
I am a hardcore supporter of Carlos Tevez and I started supporting Man City when mark hughes was still the manager smile.gif
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No offence, but that long huh?
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 8 2011, 03:36 PM)
the point was that managers wants protection from FA and referees for this type of challenge.


Ah if this is his point, then it is a valid one but face it, unless you intend to have players wear body armour, you will ALWAYS run the risk of injury. In Malaysia we have the death penalty for illegal drug trafficking but does that mean there aren't drug traffickers around?

So now, does this mean Nani will feel all better if the FA decide to hit Carra with a suspension? This has to be his only consolation. How much more can you protect a player when he's on the pitch and action is live?
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Mar 8 2011, 03:42 PM)
Why mu fans coming here to complain?for goodness sake stop complaining and accept the defeat la.

if they lose,its everybody's fault except theirs. shakehead.gif
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Inter-thread discussions and debates should be encouraged just so long it is backed by fact, logic or reasoning and not baseless one-liners.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Mar 8 2011, 03:50 PM)
Well u should very well urself that they aint gonna accept defeat.

they r just here to stir tahi instead of offering congratulations or well done.
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That's fine. I don't expect any congratulations because I'd find it hard to do the same if we lost. We shouldn't limit posts to just Liverpool friendly ones. If someone has a case to state against the club, and all things affiliated to it, then please do so but back it up.
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Put it this way. Carra did something wrong and apologised. Nani is refusing to accept the apology so really, the ball is in Nani's court, hence all the focus on him. Are we supposed to sit here and instead discuss ways in which Carra should try to apologise to Nani? Sky writing in the air over his house? Send him roses?

If Nani is angry with the club for not making more noise as claimed in the article, then take it out on the club. If he feels Phil Dowd should have flashed a yellow, then lodge a report to the FA. If he wants to be angry his whole life, that's his choice.

Bottom line, the conversation is focused on Nani because as far as I'm concerned, Carra has extended a handshake, and Nani is the one who is yet to shake on it. This isn't even what pisses me off. What pisses me off is mancs claiming that Carra is a dirty player without backing it up with fact.
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On a more upbeat subject, did anyone see this celebration by Phil Thompson after we scored?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/...united-8703724/
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QUOTE(vreis @ Mar 8 2011, 04:58 PM)
Duke, whats the starting time?
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Not sure. Their website is down at the moment. http://www.footballfocusasia.com/
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 8 2011, 04:58 PM)
of course, it is Nani's decision that he doesn't want to accept Carra apologies. well, the blood are boiling + with frustration, it bound to happen. actually bro, players that commited such tackle will always be labeled as dirty player even though it was accidently. i personally don't think Carra is a dirty player as i watch him played before. Even Taylor and Shawcross were labeled dirty player when they broke the leg of Eduardo and Ramsey. i can feel ur frustration. really.
haha. no need for that bro. it's ok. not taken really.
Right, so a lifetime of professionalism is undone by one rash decision? It is absurd to judge a player on one bad incident when he's had many more positive ones throughout his career. Then again why am I not suprised? Fans have really short attention spans these days. One bad game and a player is shite. One barren season and it's a disaster. Today we love him, tomorrow we hate him.

Carra may not be an angel. He is hard and he won't take any stick. He has had altercations but which player hasn't? Fact of the matter is that he's not broken someones legs, hands or any other limbs. I don't even recall anyone questioning his ethic on the pitch prior to this incident.
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 8 2011, 06:08 PM)
Sorry if i offended u bro. i didn't have the slightest intention to blame Carra or anything it's just that i only realized why some managers calling for player protection, it's because tackle like that was made
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Please do not apologize for I never held it against you. I was making reference to mancs who suggested that Carra is a dirty player. I shudder to think that he'll be lumped together with the likes of Kevin Muscat, Dennis Wise, Vinnie Jones, and Nigel De Jong when he's come nowhere near to committing the offences they have.


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QUOTE(shenmue @ Mar 8 2011, 06:19 PM)
seems like torres is yet to score for his new club....his crying out for those epic gerrard-torres combo
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While that may be true, I'm pretty sure his fat paycheck is some consolation.

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Mar 8 2011, 07:58 PM)
Roy Keane is a saint now? Even after proudly announcing his intention to finish Haalands' career?
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U going for the masters? Exploring car pool options or have u removed your seats for any upcoming track day?
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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Mar 8 2011, 08:17 PM)
Im going for masters cup. anyone?
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There are about 8 of us from LYN including around 40 from MyRAWK. Also, I just got word from Reds in JB that there will be about 30 - 40 of them coming up and they want to sit with us. This will make our group about 88 strong! Good number eh? If you like we can all exchange numbers via PM and sit together.


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QUOTE(aiyish @ Mar 8 2011, 08:33 PM)
Maybe we can do a list here for Liverpool fans that are going:

1.Aiyish
2.Jomey Asmat
3. DukeRed
4. Jonno
5. Koolspyda
6. Bomberkenny
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QUOTE(hellsoldier33 @ Mar 10 2011, 04:44 AM)
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...epare-for-man-u

gosh we should feel proud man...we are in the liverpool fc tv!!!
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It isn't the first time that Malaysian Reds have been covered by .tv. If you look at the first page of this thread, MyRAWK's very own Jonno was interviewed by our official site and it appeared in the "Reds Around the World" segment.

If you ask me, it is important for fans to get organised. It doesn't only mean you'll be able to watch games in the company of other mates, but if the adage, "strength in numbers" is anything to go by, being part of a community only strengthens your resolve and faith in the team. I don't mean that being in a large group means you can beat up rival fans at mamaks. I mean you'll become more and more of a fan after hearing stories and learning about the club from fellow Reds. When you have other Reds with you, even in defeat will you sing "YNWA" albeit in defiance more than in celebration.

Aside from the LSCM, there are two notable independent supporters clubs in Malaysia that I know, MyRAWK (http://my-rawk.com/) being one of them. The other substantially larger group is called Liverbird Supporter Club. They began in JB and now have extended to Central and Northern regions of Peninsular Malaysia. They are pretty huge and are registered under the National Sports Commission Malaysia. An interview with their President here (http://www.lfc.org.my/kata-kata-aluan-pengerusi-kelab-bolasepak-liverbird). MyRAWK is considering merging with them to form a bigger entity. Although we cater to our own demographic, we all still bleed Red. MyRAWK's viewings are held at pubs/bars because we like to booze whilst the Liverbird guys watch their games at mamaks so if you're looking for company, do contact them. They are pretty active not only in football activites but charity events as well. If you look at the link I provided, you'll see a list of NGOs they've worked with. It shows that Liverpool isn't just about football, the values we learn can be applied in our daily lives. They have my respect and I'm looking forward to meeting them at the Masters this Sunday.

Fans from all clubs claim to be the best. You'll often hear comments like, "I'm a hardcore supporter", "Red till dead" and so on but how much of it is true? Every fan will claim to be an avid one so these comments are like water off stone in my opinion. I take it all with a pinch of salt. I don't care to engage in a competition on who the best fan is. All I know is this - that Liverpool fans in Malaysia are more organised. Certain parties have took it upon themselves to promote the club and encourage camaraderie, such is their love for the club. You'll note that everywhere you look, you'll see Man Utd jerseys but you know what the funny thing is? I've organised viewing parties for Liverpool, Man Utd, and Chelsea and each time, Liverpool matches attracts the most number of fans. I attribute this to the fact that we are more organised, that is all. I was strangely surprised to see that although Man Utd have an official club here in Malaysia, the turnout during matches is poor for whatever reason. I'm not taking the piss, I'm stating a fact is all.

Take pride in your team lads, and do be part of the "movement". We can talk the talk, but let us also walk the walk.

YNWA.

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Some 3 months ago, I dedicated a post to who I felt was our player of the moment, one Sotoris Kyrgiakos. Under Hodgson's tenure, he wasn't just a defensive stalwart but at time, looked like our biggest goal threat! He has scored 3 goals this season despite starting from the bench most of the time and playing 4th choice behind the likes of Carra, Skrtel and Agger. The big Greek has never complained and instead has proven to be a reliable option whenever he has been called upon. It is good to see that his contributions have not gone unnoticed.

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Appreciation for the Old Guard: Liverpool FC's Soto and Sami
By Karl Matchett (Liverpool Featured Columnist) on March 9, 2011 - Liverpool

At Anfield on Sunday 6th March, 2011, new heroes were sewn into Liverpool folklore: Luis Suarez for his magnificent skills and endless taunting of the Premier League’s top side’s defence, and Dirk Kuyt for his first LFC hat trick and match winning goal-poaching.

Liverpool beat their old foes by three goals to one with a fantastic display full of invention and determination. The goal-scorers and creators named above have rightly taken a lot of acclaim.

But spare a thought for another, less heralded, but every bit as important, performer on the day; one who played slightly over an hour for the home side: Sotirios Kyrgiakos.

Named on the bench at the start of the game, Soto made his entrance after 24 minutes as a replacement for the hamstrung Fabio Aurelio. For a defender to enter the fray at any point as a substitute requires great powers of concentration and adaptation. For one to enter unexpectedly early in a game of such magnitude requires something more. Our big Greek needed to call on all his years of experience and his first-rate game mentality to get up to speed instantaneously. Given that he went on to give neither Rooney nor Berbatov the slightest sniff in the game, he deserves much credit.

He was, as always, a tower of strength in the air; all United’s crosses were ably dealt with by Soto and his partner in crime Martin Skrtel. The ground-based duels were a similar story, with neither forward able to get a run on goal from either in front of or behind Kyrgiakos at any point.

In the second half, with Liverpool leading and as they sat back looking to hit United on the break, the defensive line dropped deeper and the away side enjoyed longer spells of possession. But Kyrgiakos and his defensive cohorts remained unfazed and, save for the odd corner which needed Meireles to clear off the line, remained largely untroubled for the entire game.

It speaks volumes for Kyrgiakos’ professional attitude and winners mentality that he was able to step up in such a big game without any problems of ‘feeling his way into the match’ or making any early mistakes.

To me, it evoked memories of a similar game and similarly experienced Anfield defender—the man who Soto came in to replace no less. Sami Hyypia.

Almost two years to the day earlier, Alvaro Arbeloa was due to line up at right-back for Liverpool at Old Trafford against the same opposition, Manchester United. In the warm-up, however, Arbeloa suffered an injury and our great Finn Hyypia was drafted in as a late starter. He was given only a few minutes warm up time and asked to stop the (again) current league leaders from breaching the Reds’ goal.

Liverpool turned in a masterclass performance that day too, winning 4-1 in Manchester and owing much to the outstanding performance of Hyypia who, like Kyrgiakos this Sunday past, showed great professionalism (and no shortage of ability) to come in unexpectedly and turn in a stellar performance for his team.

Sami and Soto carry some similar traits as defenders. Both of course are exceptional in the air and commanding in the tackle, and while neither are blessed with pace, they are more than adept at reading the game and positioning themselves accordingly.

Sami was perhaps more of an organiser and comfortable with the ball at either foot. He will, for both his length of time spent at the club and the number of trophies he won, be forever remembered as far more of an icon than Kyrgiakos, but the playing similarities between the two are evident; testament of course to the fact that one came in to replace the other.

Kuyt and Suarez will take the plaudits for Sunday’s victory, and against the biggest opposition the attacking players who make the difference will usually be the most noticed. That is why teams pay such big fees for forwards.

But in Sami Hyypia and Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Liverpool have been fortunate to have two defenders who, quite aside from popping up with the odd headed bullet of a goal, are consistently and quietly excellent in defence when it matters most; players who do not blow their own trumpet or kick up a fuss when left out of the team. When their team turns to them suddenly in a time of great need, they retain the quality and mentality to switch it on at a moment’s notice.

Two of those occasions recently have come against one of our biggest enemies of all, and Liverpool supporters everywhere should be grateful that we were able to turn to such giants; the old guard of the Liverpool defence, and players who we know will never let us down.
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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Mar 10 2011, 02:36 PM)
Sami Hyypia, no doubt about his contribution to the club. We've achieved a lot when he's with us.

No way Kyrgiakosis on par with Hyypia.

Don't get me wrong though. I'm not talking down on Soto, it's just that Hyypia is on a different level. smile.gif
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That goes without saying. The point is that Kyrgiakos is a reliable backup and has been doing a pretty decent job despite being down the pecking order. He has also scored 3 important goals for us this season and together with Skrtel, kept Berbatov and Rooney quiet. With him in the side, our airspace is that much more secure and here lies the similarity with Hyypia.

No question that Hyypia is amongst our best signings in the last decade at least. We bought him for peanuts and I remember wondering who the hell he was? Fantastic servant to the club and never once made a fuss about having the captaincy stripped from him and handed over to Gerrard. Wasn't blessed with pace but when you can read the game as well as he does, you can deal with impending danger before the ball is played.

I really look forward to him returning in a coaching capacity some day. He's a crowd favourite, loves the club and will no doubt have a positive impact as a member of the coaching staff.
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Masters update :

Here is the itinerary for the day.

12pm - start of carnival (whatever that means ....)
2pm - 3.30pm - meet the teams session - LFC scheduled for 1st team of the session
4.30pm - kick-off of special women's 6-a-six football match
5pm - kick off of match program proper between LFC and Malaysia All-Stars

I'll be there by 2pm along with some folk from MyRAWK. Meeting up with 30 Reds from JB at 3pm so we can all go in and sit together. Looking at getting seats near the railings so we can hang up our banners. If anyone wants to join the group, PM me and we can make arrangements to meet at the stadium. There are about 80 of us so far.

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