anybody can tell me? bent for 18m, now caroll for 35m. last time fabien deplh for 7m...
why so expensive for english players suddenly huh?
why english players value are so infalted theseday
why english players value are so infalted theseday
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Feb 1 2011, 06:09 AM, updated 15y ago
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anybody can tell me? bent for 18m, now caroll for 35m. last time fabien deplh for 7m...
why so expensive for english players suddenly huh? |
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Feb 1 2011, 06:16 AM
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it's been expensive for ages coz the talent is scarce but the demand is high
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Feb 1 2011, 06:18 AM
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fergie and wenger made the right decision not to dip into the january market it seems
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Feb 1 2011, 06:37 AM
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if they were in lpool and chelsea shoes i'll bet they will do the same
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Feb 1 2011, 06:49 AM
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because of the home grown rules where a club needs to have 8 homegrown players out of the 25 registered (not including under 21 players) in order to compete in the league...
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Feb 1 2011, 07:39 AM
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QUOTE(niBee @ Feb 1 2011, 06:49 AM) because of the home grown rules where a club needs to have 8 homegrown players out of the 25 registered (not including under 21 players) in order to compete in the league... A club does NOT ened 8 homegrown players. Instead, they can only have a maximum of 17 non-homegrown players above 21.So if you register 17 non-homegrown players and no homegrown ones at all, you're still within the rules. In effect, most teams don;t really have much pressure. Chelsea only registered 4 homegrown players, for example. It's not Englishness that has inflated their prices, but belonging to an English club. English clubs generally have more financial muscle on average. So, while Madrid and Barca don't need to pay inflated prices to prise away the best talents from other La Liga clubs because of the huge financial disparity, English clubs tend to be able to rebuff the advances of bigger/richer clubs because they do not need the money as much. A lot of this has to do with the fairer distribution of TV money from collective agreements, whereas in Italy and Spain, the big clubs negotiate separate and far more lucrative TV deals. P.S. Also, homegrown does not have to be English. Fabregas is homegrown according to the FA, for example. This post has been edited by minority: Feb 1 2011, 07:41 AM |
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Feb 1 2011, 08:20 AM
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A big reason is scarcity of good English talent but another I believe is clubs wanting to make back what they've invested in a player. Signing school kids and developing them from young, clubs invest a fair sum of money.
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Agree with minority, onwe of the reason is due to the inflated price of the league itself. Buying English players basically mean buying from an English Club. Comparing to buying from say..a Swedish club, the value of 10m pound is more to that Swedish club compared to an English club.
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Feb 1 2011, 09:35 AM
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It is only inflated in EPL...
Assume our M-League standard as EPL and flooded with foreign player... what is the motivation for you to watch??? Of coz is our own local player... they can generates tons of income... thus they had to take into the consideration for this factor too... |
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Feb 1 2011, 09:38 AM
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i'd say, its FM series fault.
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Feb 1 2011, 09:38 AM
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because it is hard to produce world class player in england
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Feb 1 2011, 10:33 AM
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These days? it has been the case since day 1
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Should have blamed a particular Russian and arabian for changing football in the last decade.
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Feb 2 2011, 08:07 AM
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Yup Oil Sheiks and tycoons have inflated prices but this is true for a player of any nationality. English clubs merely want compensation for developing young players. If you spent say RM 10,000 modifying your car, you'd want to be compensated for that no?
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Feb 2 2011, 04:01 PM
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Also the fact that January transfer window is a short one. Thus they want to quickly complete the deal. They could get the same player cheaper at the end of the season, but from now till then a lot can happen, and they are not willing to take the rist
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A big contributing factor is that buying English players reduces the risk of a flop import. Well known that most foreign players may take a season or two to "blend in" with the demands of the English game. Many never make it at all. Buying a local player who already grew up with the game reduces the risk significantly, so clubs are willing to pay additional fees on top of that.
Kinda like why it's cheaper to buy new houses that are still under construction, as opposed to 2nd-hand houses. |
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QUOTE(miketee @ Feb 2 2011, 04:08 PM) A big contributing factor is that buying English players reduces the risk of a flop import. Well known that most foreign players may take a season or two to "blend in" with the demands of the English game. Many never make it at all. Buying a local player who already grew up with the game reduces the risk significantly, so clubs are willing to pay additional fees on top of that. This is true. There's no need to acclimatize to a new country, no language barrier means no language tutor and there's no risk of culture conflicts. In a sense, local born players are kinda like 'plug n play', there's no need to make extra adjustments to fit in the player.Kinda like why it's cheaper to buy new houses that are still under construction, as opposed to 2nd-hand houses. |
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Try search in wiki n type top 10 transfers of all time
Featuring of cr,kaka,zidane,figo,torres,etoo n ibrahimovic among the top 10 Suddenly there is andy carroll in 7th place? |
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QUOTE(MrFay @ Feb 2 2011, 04:22 PM) Try search in wiki n type top 10 transfers of all time yea... He is the most expensive ever English player in football history. Much more expensive than some star players like David Beckham, Michael Owen, Rooney, Rio Ferdinand, Darren bent etc. Sure he has his own value for Daglish to buy him at such price.Featuring of cr,kaka,zidane,figo,torres,etoo n ibrahimovic among the top 10 Suddenly there is andy carroll in 7th place? |
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i bet some of you don't watch newcastle games
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QUOTE(THE ZUL @ Feb 2 2011, 06:37 PM) Nobody is saying Carroll isn't good. Just that, if transfer prices is a measure of someone's ability, or achievement, then there are many other players more suitable at no7. Even in this season's transfer window...David Villa? Young players...ozil? Older transfers...Ribery? Robben? Of coz can't judge directly la, different era and all. That's they say just "doesn't looks right". Not to say "doesn't deserve". Just saying This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Feb 3 2011, 12:40 AM |
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Feb 3 2011, 12:40 AM
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Comparisons like that, unless adjusted for inflation (especially for the English league), is an inaccurate basis for comparison. It's like comparing today's RM4 bihun sup with our parent's RM0.50 back in the 60s.
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Feb 3 2011, 07:04 PM
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Yeah you have to consider the inflated English prices. Arsenal paid $12 over a few years for Theo Walcott when he was an unproven teenager. We've just paid 3 times more but $15 million less for a striker who has more goals this season than Fernando Torres. I'm surprised by the amount as you are but it looks a worthwhile gamble. Time will tell. I'm optimistic.
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well...another factor is.. you've to force the other club to sell their valuable asset midway through the season...liverpool n newcastle would be a good example.... torres n carrol were the main source of goals... if liverpool and newcastle decides sell them...the gamble must be worth it
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I think the english players are getting scarce. and saudi has made the inflation worse.
imagine milner who don't even get few chances as first team? darren bent for 25 million which the price can get a suarez? lolx? i think there must be hidden agenda behind...seriously, regarding the urgency to have more english players in the team. i predict next or next 2 seasons, FA will made compulsory for england players needed to be at least half of the team. now arsenal gotta seek for english players, jack wilshere. Added on February 3, 2011, 7:26 pmcos world cup is more important for them..they wanna brought up english player at bpl. This post has been edited by fk2222: Feb 3 2011, 07:26 PM |
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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Feb 3 2011, 07:25 PM) I think the english players are getting scarce. and saudi has made the inflation worse. milner already the establish 1st team player for city ...imagine milner who don't even get few chances as first team? darren bent for 25 million which the price can get a suarez? lolx? i think there must be hidden agenda behind...seriously, regarding the urgency to have more english players in the team. i predict next or next 2 seasons, FA will made compulsory for england players needed to be at least half of the team. now arsenal gotta seek for english players, jack wilshere. Added on February 3, 2011, 7:26 pmcos world cup is more important for them..they wanna brought up english player at bpl. |
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Let's not forget Carrol cost that much not only because he is English but also affected by reasons like January Transfer Window and us, bidding on transfer deadline last few hours.
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English-style footballer are generally bigger,more robust and has more durability that...let say la liga player
and not to mention english-style footballer is better overall |
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Truly said. Their 'values' are really inflated. WYSWYG
Apparently if they foul a player its because they can't 'tackle'. If they try to steer a ball for goal with their hand its because they can't 'head'. Its not cheating! Its called 'CHEEKY'. No? Review today's matches! QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 5 2011, 05:25 PM) |
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So Russian Oil Tycoons & Oil Rich Sheikhs are to be blamed?
QUOTE So the Sheik's oil revenue was redistributed across three continents, seven clubs and six leagues, to places like Stoke that will never see a penny of UEFA's precious Champions League money without first completing mission impossible. That is genuine financial fair play. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ches-needy.html |
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Feb 6 2011, 05:53 AM) Truly said. Their 'values' are really inflated. WYSWYG oh yea, Paul Scholes right? and what is his transfer value again?Apparently if they foul a player its because they can't 'tackle'. If they try to steer a ball for goal with their hand its because they can't 'head'. Its not cheating! Its called 'CHEEKY'. No? Review today's matches! |
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