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victor87
post Jan 25 2011, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Jan 25 2011, 04:57 PM)
Hi. I am in the mist to change from a 16inch rim to a 18inch rim for a Mitsubishi Triton 2.5. I heard from a rim dealer telling me that:

1. Once I changed to 18inch (tyre 285/60/18), my 4wd triton will not feel as powerful as when it is with the original 16inch (tyre 245/70/16) is this true!

2. 285/60/18 tyre will make tyre pop out, making the car look slightly ugly (not align with the body frame)

Pls share your opinion as I am undecided on the choices. I like ganas rim, but not if it's at the expense of sacrificing power..
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Fuuu bro... Running 285? That's hell damn wide... Mine 265 front and back only.

Bigger rims / tyres cost slower acceleration and top speed..

Love ganas rim but don't want sacrifice power that much? Get a tuning kit from me brows.gif
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post Jan 25 2011, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(R a D ! c 4 L @ Jan 25 2011, 08:27 PM)
Change to a performance air filter, reflash ur ecu, change ur exhaust manifolds system, should give u extra power =D
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Bro, we are talking about diesel la... Performance air filter doesn't give much improvement (or shall i say u can hardly feel the difference). Reflash ECU only when u get into serious mod on diesel engine. Diesel engine are not the same with petrol engine.. No extractor or exhaust manifold biggrin.gif
Diesel = EGR > Turbo > Outlet (Waste gas) Go for High Flow / Free Flow filter when your truck is chipped, that only help because the tuning kit will remap the mass air flow to allow more air sucking, fuel mapping to let the commonrail inject more diesel. There's huge difference after chipping your turbodiesel. That's why chipped turbodiesel tends to smoke alot. Smoke alot in diesel = fuel and air is enough.



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post Jan 25 2011, 08:58 PM

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Bro Poodle,

The rim too common on trucks laaa... Look for something more stylo... like truck version of TE37.. yummy biggrin.gif Always love JDM rims.. hahaha
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post Jan 26 2011, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(R a D ! c 4 L @ Jan 25 2011, 10:22 PM)
woot? i stand corrected, i didnt know much about diesel engines but i thought they basically work the same, thanks for the info! biggrin.gif
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That's the reason diesel is lack of room to mod. Only can trick the ECU with those sensors... laugh.gif
No spark plug on diesel bro ! laugh.gif hehehe
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post Jan 26 2011, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Jan 26 2011, 04:06 AM)
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Bro victor, you are using 18 inch rim with 265/60/18 tyres? How do you feeel about the acceleration when you change from 16 to 18inch, did you felt a great reduce in the acceleration? I dont want to change to 18 and lose the pick up.. Then regret and change back to 16'...  sad.gif
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No la bro.. Stock rim only.. Add Vector Tuning Kit la.. Lai pm me for best price biggrin.gif wont void ur warranty at all !
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post Jan 27 2011, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(siksa @ Jan 27 2011, 11:15 AM)
just trade in that roll bar for a canopy and it looks nice already for urban area.
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+1

White Triton with cool canopy thumbup.gif
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post Jan 28 2011, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(Wilson13B @ Jan 27 2011, 03:02 PM)
Bro,Diesel does have Air Filter,and it will make a huge difference to replace it with a performance filter if compare to a Petrol engine~ because Diesel engine ignite the fuel by compressing the air til it's get real hot "800C and above" with a compression ratio of 21:1 or greater,do air is more important to diesel than a petrol engine,more air equal more hotter the air can be compressed to and more fuel can be burnt,more fuel can be burnt equals more power.....if a Diesel no extractor or manifold how does the engine route the exhaust gas to drive the turbine??? u must be joking.....the correct method is Extractor-Turbo-Wastegate ~

AND Diesel doesn't have to smoke alot after the ECU had been chipped unless the guy who responsible for the reflash doesn't have experience on Diesel,when a Diesel smoke it can be bad to the engine itself coz when it emit black smoke it indicate that the engine had a too rich mixture,it is completely different to the petrol engine,when petrol engine runs rich it cools it down,but when a diesel engine running rich it get heat up so it is dangerous to diesel.......and i repeat DIESEL SMOKE ALOT IS MEAN THE MIXTURE IS TOO RICH,NO SMOKE MEANS THE MIXTURE JUST RIGHT AND IF THE EXHAUST SOUND SPLASHY MEANS IT GOT LEAN MIXTURE ~

Btw do u drive a Diesel powered vehicle before?

All thing i said in here is not to offense anyone,just to share out the correct thingĀ  wink.gif

And sorry if i does offence anyone ~
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Bro, i am not joking. We all know diesel engine runs with Air Filter. Huge difference bro? Why not u get over my workshop and i show u the difference between K&N filter with my stock filter with my stock MAF sensor?

Huge difference? Like how? faster acceleration like 1-2 sec off the stock? For me, huge difference, NO. Better air flow = Yes, but useless if your MAF still allowing the same air flow setup to be flowed in.

Before fitting an K&N filter, power delivery was smooth and eagerly to rev until redline.

After fitting K&N, power delivery was so poor. 800rpm > 2k = no pull at all, and it consume more time to reach 2k rpm for my turbo to boost, once it reach 2k rpm, the boost came and it will hit the redline like normal did ! I was like you back then, refuse to believe. Tried resetting the ECU by disconnecting the battery for 15 minutes (but i left it for a few hours). Clean the stock MAF sensor.. And all what i've did is futile, it's still the same until i remove the K&N and replace back with my stock filter.

Most of the diesel nowadays runs on strict MAF sensors from vary manufacturer like Bosch,Pierburgh,Hitachi and etc.. so putting a high flow or free flow won't work much because it's the MAF sensor controlling the air flow. It's all the same on all commonrail diesel that runs on MAF. But mine run like this, still don't believe? Get over here and test drive mine and i'll prove you so wrong ! I even sent an complain to K&N, guess what they don't even dare to reply my mail at all after a second reply from me !

Try taking off the MAF sensor from any commonrail diesel engine, and see if the engine will rev.

I, myself of course know that diesel engine run on high compression, that is why diesel tends to have better FC than petrol engines, and lower redline compare to petrol engines.

Yes, air is important in diesel engine, but fuel is important too ! But since commonrail engine has enough pressure in injecting fuel to the engine, what those tuner need is trick the commonrail sensor to inject more fuel.

Thus that's why tuning kit / tuning box is introduce to nowadays commonrail engine, what they did is override the ECU reading on the MAF sensors and Commonrail sensor. They trick on them to suck more air and inject more fuel, hence faster acceleration, more torque and more smoke.

Black smoke coming out from diesel = tuner problem? Depends actually, if tuning is done right and no damage on the injector, PCV valves and turbo, IT SHOULD SMOKE more than stock. That's indicating sufficient of air and fuel.

Black smoke on turbodiesel may be symptoms of having clogged PCV valve, faulty MAF sensor, faulty injector and faulty turbo actuator/wastegate. These are the major problem. Also, not replacing the diesel filter for long time will cause black smoke on your diesels too !

All of my tuned turbodiesel smoke and they smoke ALOT if you did an hard acceleration from standstill !

p/s: not everyone will go and tune their stock ecu to run rich / lean... There's no need to ! It's completely different with petrol engine, so stop comparing ! On diesel engine, it's all air and fuel matters !!

Commonrail diesel nowadays run on EGR. Exhaust gas > EGR > Turbo > Engine. (Not happening on your Pajero since you don't run on EGR)

I understand the working concept of wastegate / actuator, hence i don't need to waste my time explaining here.

Diesel cars with extractor? Bro, i'm not joking and i found non of them in my Rover 75 CDTi, ISUZU DMAX 3.0 Ddi ITEQ, Rexton RX290 and my previous Isuzu Rodeo.
It's call exhaust manifold if you're talking about diesel engines, not extractor which u find on petrol engines. Dieselhead mod their manifold probably due to upgrading their turbo !

In case you don't catch my words, here's the pic for your ref:
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Extractor on petrol engine:
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If i'm not a diesel-head, i wouldn't have 3 commonrail in my car pouch right now.

So far one of my commonrail is up to 75% mod. Air intake mod to allow more air to flow in easily, tuning kit, replace stock Bosch MAF with Pierburgh, replace uprated PCV valve, decatted exhaust, EGR removed and installed a Bypass, uprated o-rings for the intercooler, aftermarket Jetex high flow air filter (order along with new MAF sensor and tuning kit). I did it all myself. It's a commonrail anyway wink.gif


I'm not proving i'm a pro or anything, as i'm still learning from all the sifus oversea. Talking about modern commonrail diesel? laugh.gif
I noticed u owned a old mechanical fuel pump Pajero, which is not commonrail. If that's the case, you might be right in certain point, because i'm speaking of commonrail engine here.. Commonrail vs not commonrail, now that's huge difference as they are completely different technology.. Like those diesel forklift we did, difference is they don't have turbo.

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post Jan 29 2011, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Jan 28 2011, 02:51 PM)
nice info from victor87, used to drove isuzu trooper 3.1D turbo intercooler..
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I budak baru belajar la.. Hehe.. Always love turbodiesel !!

QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 28 2011, 02:53 PM)
Ya he diesel lover... but polluting our air lor  laugh.gif
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Lama x jumpe lio.. How's with ur 350z rim d? Going down to 18inch liao?

QUOTE(ELM0 @ Jan 29 2011, 11:57 AM)
victor87

btw what MAF you getting soon ??
when you decatted the exhaust will it be noisy? or still quiet flow as stock??
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My Rover is fitted with Pierburgh MAF, controlled by Synergy 2 tuning kit.
After decat the noise is hardly noticeable la.. For me like same oni.. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 2 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Feb 1 2011, 08:55 AM)
Banyak terror punya info victor smile.gif

So far I just drive to kota bharu with the new 18' rim and 265/60/18 tyres. Journey feels a bit more stiff compare to usual. And some slight pick up lost (10% maybe?) not really a big difference, something I can live with tongue.gif but one 4x4 hardcore uncle in Kuantan said I should invest in my absorber. To make my triton more stable. Should I consider adding adjust stable into my triton? (saw kaki motor in kl offering rm988 for an adjust stable, need to survey more.. Racun more )

About the vector tuning kit to overcome the acceleration lost,  not sure if want to install or not XD worried might consume more fuel for the extra power and shorten my engine's lifespan? Since the engine is the same, to have more power, it has to perform above optimum and consume more fuels?
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Wont shorter engine lifespan la.. Tuning kit is build to increase power while giving best FC compare to stock. (but not the highest setting la, the lowest setting gives alot better FC while giving u more power than stock) But u can't resists la once u fitted a tuning kit, sure tekan habis most of the time... Now i'm on highest setting, cant hold the urge to floor it !!! hahahahaha

QUOTE(acbc @ Feb 1 2011, 09:26 AM)
Stock Triton have the tendency to be tail happy and yes u should invest a full set of shocks and a rear stabilizer at the axle to counter this problem. Bigger rims can always do later.

I'm on standard shocks and rear stabilizer with 300kg of tools at the rear trunk bed all the time. So far, quite stabile unless u hit a puddle at 80kph.
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I'm doing exactly the same... laugh.gif weld a big steel right behind the rear guard there laugh.gif giving more traction to the rear wheels... else it will be wheel spun everywhere

QUOTE(amad108 @ Feb 1 2011, 05:07 PM)
but as at Europe, diesel is a cleaner engine compare petrol engine u know..
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Green engine it is.... As what it wrote on our registration card. Nowadays diesel engine = alot cleaner, unless those old junk tech diesel.
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post Feb 8 2011, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Feb 3 2011, 11:07 AM)
Rofl.victor you own a workshop? Or you get your tuning from accessories shop? =D
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A friend of mine distribute tuning kit brows.gif

I have a workshop, i install myself, i enjoy doing myself..
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post Feb 8 2011, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Lineage @ Feb 8 2011, 04:38 PM)
Actually what the tuning kit do?  hmm.gif
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Increase power and torque. Smoother acceleration, helps getting better FC.

Basic tuning kit interfere with common-rail sensor, MAF sensor, 5 fixed setting to let you choose according to your need (there's a switch on the box there)

Higher end tuning kit interfere with common-rail sensor, MAF sensor, eliminate boost cut, can custom tune it. brows.gif
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post Feb 10 2011, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Lineage @ Feb 8 2011, 05:59 PM)
How does it look like? install at which part?

Sorry for asking noob question, but I really dont know itĀ  wink.gif
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Depends on what tuning kit, got alot of type. From low-end to high end models. Tuning Kit = Piggyback wink.gif

The most common and value-for-power tuning kit plug into the common-rail injector sensor, so the tuning box can took control on the common-rail system. (basic tuning kit)

Some mid end kit needs to plug into the common-rail injector, MAF sensor... To control the common-rail and air flow. (Mid end tuning kit)

High end did everyting above, with boost cut, involves alot of sensor like TPS, MAP to calculate more accurate common-rail spraying.. Best is they can be tune by laptop. (High end piggyback)

Depends on what you need eventually. If you're looking for extra 15~30% of power from stock, a common-rail tuning kit will do the job, just fine !

If you're looking for heavy mods, plenty of cash to throw in for bigger turbochargers, bigger intercooler, exhaust & intake system, go for those high end piggyback, easily double the horsepower from stock*)

*Depends on what model.

I just fitted one unit of Vector Tuning Kit last night for one of the client.
Feedback i got from him after testing the 2.5 Hilux with him is :
"Gear 1 and Gear 2 like rocket, doesn't feel like my car anymore"
"Throttle was alot smoother and feels so much lighter to rev, it now revs more like a petrol engine."
"Gear 4 on 60kph and the torque is still pushing, totally different driving style"

Ahhhh, he's one of the forummer here too. He was recommend the Vector Tuning Kit by his friend, and he came to me on this forum.. laugh.gif

PM him and ask for his feedback, his nickname is ELM0

QUOTE(acbc @ Feb 9 2011, 09:27 AM)
Yesterday, I finally threw away the cat box and did a 2.5" straight pipe from turbo... and wow, truck feels lighter and accelerate easily now. Will be burning tires later to office. The cost? RM 350, 5 hours at the workshop and 2 teh tarik.


Added on February 9, 2011, 6:08 pmFulamak... after decat, truck can accelerate up to 190kph easily and engine feels lighter. Need to find better brake pads now.
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On what truck bro??? Triton ?? laugh.gif It is always the cat restricting all the true power of a turbo-diesel.... brows.gif

Where did you do the decatting? Workmanship ok bro?

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post Feb 12 2011, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Wilson13B @ Feb 11 2011, 11:52 PM)
Agree with u,K&N tend to let the engine suck more air thus made the air moving slower then the stock system so the boost will came later than with the stock system  wink.gif

Pajero does have EGR "Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve" but for Diesel most of tuner just blank this off as this will recirculate exhaust gas back to combustion chamber and make it dirty and not so efficient,the function just to lower the C02 and NoX value in the exhaust gas  wink.gif

Extractor or Manifold they are same thing bro.....just different place they call it different name like in America they call accelerator as gas pedal and England called it as Accelerator....allthrough it's the same thing  wink.gif

AND don't forget that Diesel does have NA version too  wink.gif

Yes u are right,i owned a Pajero 2.8 Turbo diesel AND another NEW Toyota Hilux 2.5 ....Bro,i wanna ask u.... Hilux engine is a Commonrail or not ar?
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Yes, it's a commonrail engine.
I removed my EGR and install a bypass, better low end power since that.. Cleaning them is useless, after 1 week, they turn blackish and sticky again doh.gif
Diesel engine used in some vehicle and forklift is NA, overhauling a few now in my workshop...

People called it manifold in diesel, because when u tell them Extractor they will show u shocking.gif this kind of face.

Cheers !
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post Feb 12 2011, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(ELM0 @ Feb 12 2011, 02:05 PM)
hmm guys like the ride to look mean and offroad style but when u ask ur gf or girl friends is it nice? they will tell u ...looks ugly T_T

"K&N tend to let the engine suck more air thus made the air moving slower then the stock system so the boost will came later than with the stock system "
( erm then whats the point of changing stock air filter to K&N??)

wonder how much does it take the rock the commonrail to gain G force pulling power
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Get a 3.0 XD

Not true about that k&n statement made by him. It's all about the sensitivity of the maf sensors. bosch ones can be very sensitive..

 

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