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post Feb 3 2011, 08:53 PM

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post Feb 3 2011, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ February 3, 2011, 9:13 pm)
i like starter like honda......that also called high speed starter.....last year when i work at workshop,some guys work as police also friend of mine have change rims and change shock absorber sports on her car,proton wira 4G15.....i ask he how can like that.....he say private mecha add relay or something.......im wondering what item was installed.... hmm.gif  hmm.gif

Where got 180? Approching 170 only.

Stock exhaust frm head to toe, UFO K&N air filter, NGK Iridium Max spark plugs, and NGK Power Cable, thts all.

Result was obtained with air-cond off, driver alone, car lightly loaded (approx. 30kg minus the driver's weight and petrol's weight), and gradient 0%.

Still too far behind the fastest mass production Proton which was claimed 208km/h sweat.gif
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post Feb 4 2011, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(wkho555 @ Feb 4 2011, 11:54 AM)
can 180 but not much highway can. Sg Buloh to Rawang can ^^
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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 12:25 PM)
170km/h at rpm 5 enough already for stock saga/wara.. make sure to regularly check your engine oil.. some of it might vaporize during high temperature (lenjan time)...
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Oil change every 10k kM.

FYI, my bike is faster than the car in both accereration and speed.
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post Feb 4 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 02:02 PM)
better dont always ramp up your car like that.. your are using standard conrod bearing right? or already change to ACL or KING?
the engine oil will reduce if u always ramp up like that.. i think 160 - 170 km/h is acceptable.. but above 180 km/h u need to check regularly..
10k km OCI? Fully synthethic oil meh? fully synthethic good for top speed but will loss to semi on pickup..
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hmm.gif What is the fact behind, appreciate if U can explain in a logical and technical manner? I hope I won't be misled by those "forman bawah pokok miar" but to be enlighted by someone with engineering knowleadge.

So, tell me, for a stock journal bearing, what is the maximum stress and pressure at the journal bearing when the 4G13 is being rev at 5,000 rpm?

And at the same time, can U elaborate more on why
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fully synthethic good for top speed but will loss to semi on pickup
as suggested?

I've been using Castrol Magnatec since the 1st oil change and I don't use cap Ah Beng, cap Ayam, or cap Ah Kau spare parts or after market replacement parts.

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post Feb 4 2011, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Feb 4 2011, 03:50 PM)
Are you sure you female ka? Can drive so fast... Wah, one day must challenge you racing on highway...
Very rare to see LMST driver dare belasah the car until 170 - 180 km/h.
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U really think tht is fast? shakehead.gif Then U should try to drive in Autobahnen in German.

In fact, to drive fast in a straight is the simplest task of driving, easier then to find a parking, driving in the city, etc., what U have to do is juz floor the accererator pedal, is tht simple, anyone can do it even a kid without the experience to drive can do this.

But no everyone can clock a good timing in a race track, therefore I totally agree with
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Real drivers Dont drive straight
as suggested by him, don't U?

As mentioned above, my bike is faster then my car, so I don't think tht is fast. Each individual has their own defination of
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fast
and fast is not only to drive fast at straight shakehead.gif

Oh I forgot, Happy Chinese New Year and Gung Hei Fatt Choy to all the forummers here who celebrate and to our Saga and Iswara as well.
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:39 PM)
Okay, then let's race around Sepang circuit then. My stock LMST vs. yours. Would be fun!
Loser buys drinks for the winner.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thts the car for my perents to go "pasar pagi", I didn't know tht this "car" has some track potential.

No drinks for winner, but loser will need to post his/her nude pictures here how brows.gif Who wants to join the competition? Perhaps winner gets naked picture.

QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 4 2011, 04:47 PM)
My car cannot even reach 120kmh. sad.gif
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shakehead.gif Engine preservation in progress

Sorry my bad doh.gif I meant run-in in progress
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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:47 PM)
im saying not recommended.. that is why Mivec which is run at high RPM 6000 and above using ACL and King bearing.. otherwise it could harm your engine in the future.. but still depends on your machine..

engine oil also same like water... it can be vaporize.. the higher the vaporize temp ( engineering term = flash point) is better, when u are running at high RPM your engine also produce so much heat.. yes of cos, the heat is absorb by water circulation and release it by using radiator.. but inside your combustion chamber the engine temperature is at peak..

castrol magnatec 10w40?

its semi synthethic can last until 8,000 km, you go up to 10,000 km?  thumbup.gif
castrol magnatec is a good choice of oil.. i also using it before this at my 4g9x engine.. after that change to other performance oil as per Kaki racing recommendation.
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engine oil also same like water
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I'm very noob rclxub.gif wan.
Due to my noobness, I would like to clarify the below questions

1.So, what is the typical flash point of engine oil and is Fully synthetic oil having higher flash point than mineral and semi-synthetic oil?

2.Is every MIVEC are created with the same engine characteristic? Every MIVEC is optimised for mid to high speed range?
Normally at how much Pascal the stock bearing can take at specific of viscosity the lubricant is being used?

3.I couldn't find any specification on the oil change interval as suggested tht semi synthethic can last until 8,000 km neither on the packaging of the engine oil itself or the vehicle's owner's manual. What I can read on the owner's manual is tht oil change interval is 10,000kM under normal driving condition. Maybe Proton has given me the owner's manual of continental vehicle. But I've been hearing those "bawah pokok miar forman" saying, "normal oil=5000kM, semi synthetic=7500 or 8000km, and fully synthetic 10,000km". So, juz wanna clarify are those mechanic more trustable than the petroluem and lubricant engineers or those automotive engineers?

5. I'm using Castrol, did Castrol suggested the oil change interval as suggested by U? Frm where I can find it?


QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:50 PM)
rare? my previous 4g13 also can hit 180km/h same as him but with aircond running..
but the gearbox noise is annoying since the FD is only at 4.3
if u change to another gearbox especially f5m222VRXe 0r F5m222xrxe, skim your flywheel,mat speed racing cam, adjustable cam pulley u can hit more higher brows.gif
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My car can't go 180kM/H, the picture shows less than 170kM/H.

For me, 4:3 of final drive, it's too high. Not really making sense for long distance, as such, I would prefer lower ratio but with higher torque and preferably flat torque band. So, any transmission compatible with the car with higher kM/H per 1,000 r.p.m. at 5th?




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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:47 PM)
sayangila orang tersayang sweat.gif
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my previous 4g13 also can hit 180km/h



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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 4 2011, 05:12 PM)
Huh?.. Whose engine running in progress?..
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Not me. I guess the car which can do only 120 is.

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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Feb 4 2011, 06:47 PM)
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highest
that i can go is 140km/h use 4G15 and gear box coded RRBC(if im not wrong la sweat.gif )
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Kenot be only 140kM/H kot shakehead.gif Btw, there are many factors to it.

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box coded RRBC
Not tht 1 kot? It should be something like F5M.....
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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Feb 4 2011, 07:10 PM)
oh...this FAC(Forever Alone Club) logo
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Can I join the club? tongue.gif

Perhaps V can start a thread on the club tongue.gif

doh.gif Off topic, back to Saga and Iswara wink.gif

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QUOTE(Chan320 @ Feb 4 2011, 08:38 PM)
wow,there is actually a girl in our club for once biggrin.gif
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How leng cai? brows.gif Never seen a leng lui drives Saga or Iswara? doh.gif



QUOTE(stasis21 @ Feb 4 2011, 08:44 PM)
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post Feb 5 2011, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(Chan320 @ Feb 5 2011, 01:02 AM)
haha...nope,only saw them drive meevee  tongue.gif
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the potato meevee faster or the Saga/Iswara faster?
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post Feb 5 2011, 02:59 AM

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I'm think of getting a manual transmission from either Satria 1.6XLi manual or Perdana manual.

Not sure whether is compatible with the transmission mounting and the drive shaft cross-sectional dimension is another concern.
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 5 2011, 03:10 AM)
Cannot. Mounting not same.
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Any alternative w/o mod?

Objective is to obtain higher kM/H per 1,000 r.p.m., I'm talking bout lower ratio at 5th or final.
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 5 2011, 03:18 AM)
if wan flat torque do tuning can d la. Stock gearbox also can get flat torque laa.
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Torque at flywheel, it feels like narrow torque band due to the UFO air filter.

Torque at low engine speed feels yawn.gif , shakehead.gif


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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Feb 5 2011, 03:21 AM)
get vr4 4g63t gb lo
or 4g93t or 4g93 n/a gb
have to custom made the mounting and custom lenght driveshaft and must mod to use hydralic clutch assembly
ask ross la
he using 4g61 with f5mb222 putra gb

dowan mod ????
have machine shop custom machine a specified gear set ratio for u la
but heavy price tag1
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w/o mod


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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Feb 5 2011, 03:26 AM)
that day i meet some sifu at photoshoot
they mention that u can use back the ori gb casing and put in ratio set off from f5mb222 gear set
not too sure
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What ratio is the 5th and the final of F5MB222 Vr talking at?
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I'm still looking for the answer to the question, what ratio?

And as mentioned, no mod, it seems like there is no alternative transmission tht fits perfectly into the hood without mod.


QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 5 2011, 03:58 AM)
F5mb222? First time i heard. Normally f5m222. Im using it.u need to mod before can put into ur saga. Custom dresap . Rm 300 per piece. Clutch pump padel to fit in to ur iswara, drill into ur firewall.. The good gearbox and rare code is BOBOL . 4g61t gearbox.


Added on February 5, 2011, 3:59 am

Depends on the for code after 222. Normally vrze, vrzg and Xrxe
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Well, somebody suggested the F5MB222 below, how come suddently got a "B" in the model # rclxub.gif , thts y I was curious rclxub.gif
QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Feb 5 2011, 03:26 AM)
that day i meet some sifu at photoshoot
they mention that u can use back the ori gb casing and put in ratio set off from f5mb222 gear set
not too sure
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post Feb 5 2011, 12:32 PM

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Not many quality and reliable after market mod parts available for Saga/Iswara. Mosly are cap Ah Kau, cap Ayam, cap Ah Beng made in Segambut, Sg. Buloh, Shah Alam, etc.
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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Feb 5 2011, 12:49 PM)
yes...u true....but you must know....who that saga/iswara user/owner is low income and middle.........to get OEM parts from proton is expensive and not all can afford it....cheap spare parts commonly come from taiwan/malaysia for fullfill demand than want low price......but have some branded company like Jasma n other have high quality item/parts/motor sports item for saga/iswara.....that have ciplak one...........i can afford that low price only becoz im student and no fixed income...that true....but the timing belt and other moving part i find that reliable....
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shocking.gif As a student, how did U get the car load approved without monthly income?

When I was a student, I only ride a bicycle sweat.gif

Back to the topic, so this JASMA is where made? Gua Musang? Pasir Gudang? Or Tanjung Rambutan?

The RSP for JASMA product are mostly very cheap.
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 5 2011, 01:26 PM)
Mix match final drive n gearbox housing from 3 different gearbox. What gearbox not sure coz i never bother to ask anymore. Haha.

Easier alternative, modify mounting lo.

Mounting goemetry and rigidity are a concern.


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 5 2011, 01:26 PM)
Go dyno can see hows ur torque graph lo.
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Haven't dyno tested.

Have U done it, how much $ for a FF vehicle?


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 5 2011, 01:34 PM)
Most jasma product is made in taiwan n china.
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How do U find their product quality/finishing compared to genuine?

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 5 2011, 04:19 PM)
if u worry mounting and rigidity, dun modify gearbox lo... gearbox usually the last to modify... unless u gearing for specific purposes such as drag racing or wangan racing... else, stock ratio is ALMOST alwiz suitable for stock or mildly modded engine...

dyno run usually cost approx rm70-rm80.... group dyno will be slightly cheaper...

jasma has tonnes of products, ranging from performance parts to interior accessories... which one u refer to??...
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shocking.gif Saga/Iswara-----> racing shakehead.gif
Conclusion, no change is necessary

I nvr heard of group dyno unsure.gif

As for this Jasma, I was refering to general, no specific, juz to find out how well do they enforce QC on their products since many have negative comment on China and Taiwan made automotive products.

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