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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Drivers' Forum! V23, The first Proton car in production

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post Feb 4 2011, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 4 2011, 04:58 PM)
shakehead.gif Engine preservation in progress

Sorry my bad doh.gif I meant run-in in progress
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Huh?.. Whose engine running in progress?..
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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:47 PM)
im saying not recommended.. that is why Mivec which is run at high RPM 6000 and above using ACL and King bearing.. otherwise it could harm your engine in the future.. but still depends on your machine..

engine oil also same like water... it can be vaporize.. the higher the vaporize temp ( engineering term = flash point) is better, when u are running at high RPM your engine also produce so much heat.. yes of cos, the heat is absorb by water circulation and release it by using radiator.. but inside your combustion chamber the engine temperature is at peak..

castrol magnatec 10w40?

its semi synthethic can last until 8,000 km, you go up to 10,000 km?  thumbup.gif
castrol magnatec is a good choice of oil.. i also using it before this at my 4g9x engine.. after that change to other performance oil as per Kaki racing recommendation.
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engine oil also same like water
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I'm very noob rclxub.gif wan.
Due to my noobness, I would like to clarify the below questions

1.So, what is the typical flash point of engine oil and is Fully synthetic oil having higher flash point than mineral and semi-synthetic oil?

2.Is every MIVEC are created with the same engine characteristic? Every MIVEC is optimised for mid to high speed range?
Normally at how much Pascal the stock bearing can take at specific of viscosity the lubricant is being used?

3.I couldn't find any specification on the oil change interval as suggested tht semi synthethic can last until 8,000 km neither on the packaging of the engine oil itself or the vehicle's owner's manual. What I can read on the owner's manual is tht oil change interval is 10,000kM under normal driving condition. Maybe Proton has given me the owner's manual of continental vehicle. But I've been hearing those "bawah pokok miar forman" saying, "normal oil=5000kM, semi synthetic=7500 or 8000km, and fully synthetic 10,000km". So, juz wanna clarify are those mechanic more trustable than the petroluem and lubricant engineers or those automotive engineers?

5. I'm using Castrol, did Castrol suggested the oil change interval as suggested by U? Frm where I can find it?


QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:50 PM)
rare? my previous 4g13 also can hit 180km/h same as him but with aircond running..
but the gearbox noise is annoying since the FD is only at 4.3
if u change to another gearbox especially f5m222VRXe 0r F5m222xrxe, skim your flywheel,mat speed racing cam, adjustable cam pulley u can hit more higher brows.gif
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My car can't go 180kM/H, the picture shows less than 170kM/H.

For me, 4:3 of final drive, it's too high. Not really making sense for long distance, as such, I would prefer lower ratio but with higher torque and preferably flat torque band. So, any transmission compatible with the car with higher kM/H per 1,000 r.p.m. at 5th?




Added on February 4, 2011, 4:53 pm

QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:47 PM)
sayangila orang tersayang sweat.gif
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my previous 4g13 also can hit 180km/h



Added on February 4, 2011, 5:59 pm
QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 4 2011, 05:12 PM)
Huh?.. Whose engine running in progress?..
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Not me. I guess the car which can do only 120 is.

This post has been edited by J1@l_ l_l l\l: Feb 4 2011, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 4 2011, 05:41 PM)
thumbup.gif
I'm very noob  rclxub.gif wan.
Due to my noobness, I would like to clarify the below questions

water density is 1 and oil is arounf 0.85
you are not noob.. you are pretend to be one

1.So, what is the typical flash point of engine oil and is Fully synthetic oil having higher flash point than mineral and semi-synthetic oil?
depends on the brand and grade.. for castrol magnatec.. the flash point is around 210.. quite low but the density is low (lighter) compared to others engine oil brand.


2.Is every MIVEC are created with the same engine characteristic? Every MIVEC is optimised for mid to high speed range?
Normally at how much Pascal the stock bearing can take at specific of viscosity the lubricant is being used?

i dont no the details, i dont want to know since no need to put much information into my head (unrelated to me)

3.I couldn't find any specification on the oil change interval as suggested tht semi synthethic can last until 8,000 km neither on the packaging of the engine oil itself or the vehicle's owner's manual. What I can read on the owner's manual is tht oil change interval is 10,000kM under normal driving condition. Maybe Proton has given me the owner's manual of continental vehicle. But I've been hearing  those "bawah pokok miar forman" saying, "normal oil=5000kM, semi synthetic=7500 or 8000km, and fully synthetic 10,000km". So, juz wanna clarify are those mechanic more trustable than the petroluem and lubricant engineers or those automotive engineers?

bro.. fully synthethic at Japan used almost at 20,000 km (4 seasons)
depends on u.. it not sure is it stated on your car manual or not.. but all SC already practice this.


5. I'm using Castrol, did Castrol suggested the oil change interval as suggested by U? Frm where I can find it?
My car can't go 180kM/H, the picture shows less than 170kM/H.
my mistake...

For me, 4:3 of final drive, it's too high. Not really making sense for long distance, as such, I would prefer lower ratio but with higher torque and preferably flat torque band. So, any transmission compatible with the car with higher kM/H per 1,000 r.p.m. at 5th?

4.3 and not 4:3 (exact 4.392 for saga/iswara/wira f5m211)

the higher the ratio is better..not the lower is better..  mivec 4.592 gsr 4.9
but of cos the higher the FD if your engine dont have enough displacement, you will loss torque during pick up..




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Added on February 4, 2011, 5:59 pm
Not me. I guess the car which can do only 120 is.
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post Feb 4 2011, 06:47 PM

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highest
that i can go is 140km/h use 4G15 and gear box coded RRBC(if im not wrong la sweat.gif )
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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Feb 4 2011, 06:47 PM)
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highest
that i can go is 140km/h use 4G15 and gear box coded RRBC(if im not wrong la sweat.gif )
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Kenot be only 140kM/H kot shakehead.gif Btw, there are many factors to it.

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box coded RRBC
Not tht 1 kot? It should be something like F5M.....
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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Feb 4 2011, 06:47 PM)
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highest
that i can go is 140km/h use 4G15 and gear box coded RRBC(if im not wrong la sweat.gif )
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f5m211VRAC,f5m211VRBE ,f5m211RRBE same ratio for 1.3 and 1.5 wira/saga/iswara/satria


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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 4 2011, 06:53 PM)
Kenot be only 140kM/H kot shakehead.gif  Btw, there are many factors to it.

Not tht 1 kot? It should be something like F5M.....
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i sure it codded RRBC...........some proton like like saga/iswara/lmst/lmss different GB codded...im 1gen 2nd v. 12valve.......

maybe road to short to make another speed...i only can try on road at AMJ highway nearby alor gajah that long 2-3km straight road.......furthurmore i lack of confident of my tire that use size 13'......


Added on February 4, 2011, 7:05 pm
QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 06:58 PM)
f5m211VRAC,f5m211VRBE ,f5m211RRBE same ratio for 1.3 and 1.5 wira/saga/iswara/satria
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thankz for rmb me back

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post Feb 4 2011, 07:07 PM

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post Feb 4 2011, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Feb 4 2011, 07:07 PM)
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oh...this FAC(Forever Alone Club) logo
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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Feb 4 2011, 07:10 PM)
oh...this FAC(Forever Alone Club) logo
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Can I join the club? tongue.gif

Perhaps V can start a thread on the club tongue.gif

doh.gif Off topic, back to Saga and Iswara wink.gif

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 4 2011, 07:14 PM)
Can I join the club?  tongue.gif

Perhaps V can start a thread on the club  tongue.gif

doh.gif Off topic, back to Saga and Iswara wink.gif
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go directly click the logo..........

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wow,there is actually a girl in our club for once biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:39 PM)
Okay, then let's race around Sepang circuit then. My stock LMST vs. yours. Would be fun!
Loser buys drinks for the winner. 
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AWESOME!!! Collect everyone and race brows.gif
Next Event/TT tongue.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 4 2011, 04:58 PM)

No drinks for winner, but loser will need to post his/her nude pictures here how : hehe :  Who wants to join the competition? Perhaps winner gets naked picture.

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QUOTE(stasis21 @ Feb 4 2011, 08:44 PM)
AWESOME!!! Collect everyone and race  brows.gif 
Next Event/TT tongue.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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aiyoh....car to old to race.........
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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Feb 3 2011, 03:36 PM)
u unsrew what ????
the adjustment at the cable ka ????
put pic easy say
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sori2...i just adjust the screw of the cable...hehe
i just do my mcgyver thing,the i realize my clutch padle got loosen....
is there any effect???


Added on February 4, 2011, 11:43 pmmy second problem...
last week,i went to tyre shop to rotate the tyre...
then the mechanic found that my left rear tyre got 'goyang2'..
he said it the bushing problem or sumthin like that..can anyone clarify me??

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QUOTE(Chan320 @ Feb 4 2011, 08:38 PM)
wow,there is actually a girl in our club for once biggrin.gif
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How leng cai? brows.gif Never seen a leng lui drives Saga or Iswara? doh.gif



QUOTE(stasis21 @ Feb 4 2011, 08:44 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 4 2011, 11:59 PM)
How leng cai? brows.gif  Never seen a leng lui drives Saga or Iswara?  doh.gif 
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haha...nope,only saw them drive meevee tongue.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 4 2011, 04:47 PM)
My car cannot even reach 120kmh. sad.gif
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mau whack ka
ur monster cannot past this ?????
mine la
past 80kmh can kena toto liaw

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QUOTE(Chan320 @ Feb 5 2011, 01:02 AM)
haha...nope,only saw them drive meevee  tongue.gif
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the potato meevee faster or the Saga/Iswara faster?
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QUOTE(wmd3477 @ Feb 4 2011, 11:38 PM)
sori2...i just adjust the screw of the cable...hehe
i just do my mcgyver thing,the i realize my clutch padle got loosen....
is there any effect???


Added on February 4, 2011, 11:43 pmmy second problem...
last week,i went to tyre shop to rotate the tyre...
then the mechanic found that my left rear tyre got 'goyang2'..
he said it the bushing problem or sumthin like that..can anyone clarify me??
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simple 1
pull the adjusting star and turn until can pass the small nipple then ok liaw
that 1 is for clutch wear and tear

bushing is the rubber slotted betwwen the suspension moving parts and our body
if kong liaw cannot maintain accurate allignment consistenlly
like mine lower arm kong and bushing kong
drive straight olso will sway left and right


Added on February 5, 2011, 2:21 am
QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 3 2011, 08:53 PM)
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Slowbro, turtle  yawn.gif
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u got gut to go that fast


Added on February 5, 2011, 2:23 amerrr top spped issue
mine running 4g15 with f5mb21 wrac

100 kmh is 3k
then
200 kmh is 6 k


hehe correct ah sifu ????


good ma ori stock gb
high ratio
no need change gear when cruising town


Added on February 5, 2011, 2:42 am
QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Feb 4 2011, 11:59 PM)
How leng cai? brows.gif  Never seen a leng lui drives Saga or Iswara?  doh.gif 
brows.gif
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leng lui drive saga

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