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TSPlShelpME1993
post Jan 19 2011, 12:14 PM, updated 15y ago

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which is the best private uni in malaysia for chemical engineering????
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post Jan 19 2011, 12:34 PM

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For private universities only, check out Monash and Nottingham.
Also, Taylors and Segi have a twinning with University of Sheffield i think.
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post Jan 19 2011, 12:37 PM

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And don't forget there are still Australian Swinburne and Curtin in Sarawak.
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post Jan 19 2011, 04:11 PM

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If you have the money to do in Nottingham, do note that you can also do an ADP program and go to the US. If locally, I think Nottingham is better as you receive their cert when u grad
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post Jan 19 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Jan 19 2011, 04:11 PM)
If you have the money to do in Nottingham, do note that you can also do an ADP program and go to the US. If locally, I think Nottingham is better as you receive their cert when u grad
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oh thanks alot....but i saw on other topic tat the BEng of chemical engineering in nottingham is not accreditted????
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post Jan 19 2011, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 19 2011, 12:37 PM)
And don't forget there are still Australian Swinburne and Curtin in Sarawak.
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Curtin does, but not Swinburne for Chem Eng.


Added on January 19, 2011, 5:41 pm
QUOTE(HawkreiN @ Jan 19 2011, 12:34 PM)
For private universities only, check out Monash and Nottingham.
Also, Taylors and Segi have a twinning with University of Sheffield i think.
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No, they are not twinning programs with the UK universities but credit transfer, meaning if you don't make the grade you won't get into the better unis like Sheffield.


Added on January 19, 2011, 5:42 pm
QUOTE(PlShelpME1993 @ Jan 19 2011, 04:57 PM)
oh thanks alot....but i saw on other topic tat the BEng of chemical engineering in nottingham is not accreditted????
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It's not because it's a 3-year course. Their MEng (4 years) is.

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post Jan 19 2011, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(PlShelpME1993 @ Jan 19 2011, 07:57 PM)
oh thanks alot....but i saw on other topic tat the BEng of chemical engineering in nottingham is not accreditted????
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Malaysia only accredits universities with 4-year engineering courses. For Australian-based universities (Monash, Swinburne etc) this is not a problem as you generally do a 4 year degree anyway, with one year being your honours year. For UK programs, the engineering courses tend to be 3 years in length and as such are not accredited. This isn't much of a problem however, as most people just generally do an extra year of Masters (MEng) to make it 4.


Added on January 19, 2011, 7:27 pm
QUOTE(PlShelpME1993 @ Jan 19 2011, 03:14 PM)
which is the best private uni in malaysia for chemical engineering????
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I would go for either Monash or Nottingham if you want the quality and have the money.

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post Jan 19 2011, 07:34 PM

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[quote=Luke1989,Jan 19 2011, 07:26 PM]
Malaysia only accredits universities with 4-year engineering courses. For Australian-based universities (Monash, Swinburne etc) this is not a problem as you generally do a 4 year degree anyway, with one year being your honours year. For UK programs, the engineering courses tend to be 3 years in length and as such are not accredited. This isn't much of a problem however, as most people just generally do an extra year of Masters (MEng) to make it 4.


Added on January 19, 2011, 7:27 pm

oh...so after i finished my foundation in engineering at nottingham....i shud continue for 3 years?? or 4 years???
wats the difference between tat???
after foundation ...den study 4 years degree.... den i have completed master in chemical engineering???
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post Jan 19 2011, 07:37 PM

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[quote=PlShelpME1993,Jan 19 2011, 10:34 PM]
[quote=Luke1989,Jan 19 2011, 07:26 PM]
Malaysia only accredits universities with 4-year engineering courses. For Australian-based universities (Monash, Swinburne etc) this is not a problem as you generally do a 4 year degree anyway, with one year being your honours year. For UK programs, the engineering courses tend to be 3 years in length and as such are not accredited. This isn't much of a problem however, as most people just generally do an extra year of Masters (MEng) to make it 4.


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oh...so after i finished my foundation in engineering at nottingham....i shud continue for 3 years?? or 4 years???
wats the difference between tat???
after foundation ...den study 4 years degree.... den i have completed master in chemical engineering???
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If I'm not mistaken, you do your foundation in engineering at nottingham and then 3 years bachelor in engineering followed by 1 year Masters in engineering (so 3+1). So after your foundation, you do a total of 4 years of study and graduate with a Masters in engineering.

Correct me if I'm wrong please. I'm more familiar with the Australian engineering programs as thats where I graduated from.
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:55 AM

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After completing your foundation in Nottingham, you will follow your degree courses. For the first two years of your course, it will be something like "BEng/MEng Chemical Engineering". The first two years of the two degree courses are identical. Only until third year, you will need to declare which one you want to follow. Both courses are very similar in their final year (3rd year for BEng, 4th year for MEng). That also means that the 3rd year between both degrees are different and you can't just switch half way.

Both courses are also undergraduate programme, meaning that it's your FIRST degree (even though it's an Master of Engineering MEng).
Alternatively, you can do your 3 years BEng, and follow up with an postgraduate Master (MSc, MRes, MPhil). However, not all BEng+MSc combinations are accredited if that's what concerns you.

It is also to be noted that while MSc is a 'real' Master in that sense, it prepares you more to researches as you spend one of your holiday semester just to complete a research project while the MEng prepares you more industrially where you spend that holiday semester for an industrial placement instead.
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(tanjinjack @ Jan 20 2011, 12:55 AM)
After completing your foundation in Nottingham, you will follow your degree courses. For the first two years of your course, it will be something like "BEng/MEng Chemical Engineering". The first two years of the two degree courses are identical. Only until third year, you will need to declare which one you want to follow. Both courses are very similar in their final year (3rd year for BEng, 4th year for MEng). That also means that the 3rd year between both degrees are different and you can't just switch half way.

Both courses are also undergraduate programme, meaning that it's your FIRST degree (even though it's an Master of Engineering MEng).
Alternatively, you can do your 3 years BEng, and follow up with an postgraduate Master (MSc, MRes, MPhil). However, not all BEng+MSc combinations are accredited if that's what concerns you.

It is also to be noted that while MSc is a 'real' Master in that sense, it prepares you more to researches as you spend one of your holiday semester just to complete a research project while the MEng prepares you more industrially where you spend that holiday semester for an industrial placement instead.
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oh....so after i done my foundation in nottingham....den i will go for degree 2 years....den start deciding whether 3 years or 4 years to follow.....
if i chose 4 year( MEng).....any advantages??? like salary higher or wat???
after i done (MEng) if i wan to continue study......wat i will be studying??? since its already master.....
wat is the difference between 3 years and 4 years????
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:33 PM

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I find this 4 years requirement funny.

After SPM

In UK, you do 2 years A Level + 3 years university to get a degree. Total is 5 years.

In Australia, you do 1 year Year-12 + 4 years university to get a degree. Total also 5 years but you get accredited.

May be BEM don't know how to count?
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:33 PM

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If u have an MEng cert, just go and work.. you want to continue Phd?? haha. And you need MEng to work, as they have stated above, its Malaysia's term that you need to study 4 years.
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post Jan 20 2011, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 20 2011, 03:33 PM)
I find this 4 years requirement funny.

After SPM

In UK, you do 2 years A Level + 3 years university to get a degree. Total is 5 years.

In Australia, you do 1 year Year-12 + 4 years university to get a degree. Total also 5 years but you get accredited.

May be BEM don't know how to count?
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well to be fair, for the four year degree in Australia we usually have a final year project, equivalent to a thesis. So our degree is comparable to the MEng issued in the UK.

And you can't count your pre-U course as part of your undergraduate studies

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post Jan 20 2011, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 20 2011, 12:33 PM)
I find this 4 years requirement funny.

After SPM

In UK, you do 2 years A Level + 3 years university to get a degree. Total is 5 years.

In Australia, you do 1 year Year-12 + 4 years university to get a degree. Total also 5 years but you get accredited.

May be BEM don't know how to count?
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Your pre-u is not a formal engineering education so it can not be counted.

It's not just BEM, all members of the Washington Accord only accredits Degrees which are 4 years in length.
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post Jan 20 2011, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Jan 20 2011, 02:45 PM)
Your pre-u is not a formal engineering education so it can not be counted.

It's not just BEM, all members of the Washington Accord only accredits Degrees which are 4 years in length.
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It's not as simple as that. 2 years of A level sure learn more stuff than 1 year of Year 12. So may be part of Australian Year 1 Engineering stuff are already covered in 2nd year of A Level? Possible?

I know for UK medicine, they insist all Pre-U must be of 7 years duration. And if you do SPM+1 year Year-12 making a total of 6 years, they may not accept. Likewise if you do Chinese UEC (6 years), they also would not accept. So it seems in UK, the number of years before university is important.





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post Jan 20 2011, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(PlShelpME1993 @ Jan 19 2011, 12:14 PM)
which is the best private uni in malaysia for chemical engineering????
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in east malaysia, u can try curtin university of technology..its reputable and its an australian uni.
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post Jan 20 2011, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 20 2011, 05:09 PM)
It's not as simple as that. 2 years of A level sure learn more stuff than 1 year of Year 12. So may be part of Australian Year 1 Engineering stuff are already covered in 2nd year of A Level? Possible?

I know for UK medicine, they insist all Pre-U must be of 7 years duration. And if you do SPM+1 year Year-12 making a total of 6 years, they may not accept. Likewise if you do Chinese UEC (6 years), they also would not accept. So it seems in UK, the number of years before university is important.
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I don't know about medicine, but that's the case for Engineering.
Even in the UK to become a Professional Engineer one would need 4 years of Education.
You would need a BEng + Msc or an MEng to be a PEng in the UK.
So saying that it's a problem with BEM is not it since that's the case in all Washington Accord signatories
They have all agreed to only recognize 4 years as the magic number for registration and as far as they are concerned, they have agreed that they will recognize that there is substantial equivalency between the programmes accredited by the bodies of each signatory country.

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post Jan 20 2011, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Jan 20 2011, 08:23 PM)
I don't know about medicine, but that's the case for Engineering.
Even in the UK to become a Professional Engineer one would need 4 years of Education.
You would need a BEng + Msc or an MEng to be a PEng in the UK.
So saying that it's a problem with BEM is not it since that's the case in all Washington Accord signatories
They have all agreed to only recognize 4 years as the magic number for registration and as far as they are concerned, they have agreed that they will recognize that there is substantial equivalency between the programmes accredited by the bodies of each signatory country.
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There are no such cases but do allow me to make a far stretched hypothetical example just to illustrate a point.

5 yrs secondary education to SPM level. Then 4 yrs in university for engineering. Total 9 yrs. This will be accredited.

7 yrs secondary education to STPM/A-Level. Then 3 yrs in university for engineering. Total 10 yrs. This is not accredited.



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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 20 2011, 09:52 PM)
There are no such cases but do allow me to make a far stretched hypothetical example just to illustrate a point.

5 yrs secondary education to SPM level. Then 4 yrs in university for engineering. Total 9 yrs. This will be accredited.

7 yrs secondary education to STPM/A-Level. Then 3 yrs in university for engineering. Total 10 yrs. This is not accredited.
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Well like said before the duration before your Degree doesn't matter ^^"
Even the UK themselves won't be recognizing 3 years BEng for registration as a Professional Engineer so if the home country won't recognize it, why would others recognize it.

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