i did survey before buying my Tag (think i even PM'ed you). I wouldn't call Ball entry level, least the price isn't entry level.. Oris is more entry level in comparison to Ball.

I think the Oris TT1 is an awesome watch, but don't know why when it was on my wrist I just couldn't accept its odd unique shape. Their BC3 DLC would be a great entry level piece..against Ball's entry level piece..and if i'm not mistaken the Oris would be cheaper.

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more pics
http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/oris-forum/47057.htm

isn't there a notable quartz called SuperQuartz? (wah name very original). don't know what's super about it though.

nice catch there. looks very rugged/manly

For that budget..maybe stretch a bit can get a nice looking Seiko.

*cough* sei *gasp* ko *cough* in house movement my foot
i hate it when people treat me like a fool & lie to me, much less corporations who want my money.

my personal opinion.
im wearing a tag with an eta inside. they didn't tell me its in house movement.

tried it in person, i don't dig it. feel its more formal versus the more casual feel of the eta carreras.

try using ebay and see if you can buy just the bezel..and go to independent watchmakers to get it replaced..surely cheaper that way. considering its not a mechanical part..

upcoming brand.. Maurice Lacroix.. says me.. hehehe. independent, young, and they already have their in-house movement.

any Seiko or Citizen is better than FCUK. that's what she said.

probably less than what you paid at retail i believe. nice piece nevertheless.

thats cheap, where? i saw the black pontos chrono PVD/DLC one.. was ~16k RRP

well.. i see a girl wearing a seiko criteria chrono..she's slim..but the watch looks very good on her. so it depends on the watch in question.

Panerai between the 2... but neither if given a choice.

tom_k3nt: Mido is value for money, but don't expect any brand recognition.. Oris does have nice pieces in the lower price range..the TT1 Divers automatic, Oris F1 Team Day Date (I'll choose this over Tag F1 anyday). the TT1 Divers is a unique design, least its not like all the divers out there which draws similarity to the Rolex Submariner.

seriously, Tag F1 quartz not worthwhile.. the ORIS Team F1 Day Date is a better F1 watch. purely mechanical.

Tag as a brand, yes, well known. not favored among watch enthusiast but among masses, i think its one of the more well known brand after Rolex.

if Ball is entry level, Tissot is what? Oris is what? hehehe.. Ball prices not exactly entry level IMO.
In terms of prices
Tissot < Oris < Ball


Out of the 3.. I would say the ML. If you like to scream for attention..definitely the Tag. Longines neither here nor there.. don't enjoy the recognition of Tag, and the charm of ML (independent, has in house movements in its stable although not used on lower lines, positioning itself as ultra luxury against the likes of IWC -- and seems to be succeeding slowly)

Tissot is below RM2k, Oris IIRC also can be had below RM2k.. saw prices at RM2.5k RRP

that square face at NT$18,000.. here is RRP @ RM3800. Fireman hard to get below RM2k now?

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thus compared to its peers, its barely entry level today. if Ball is entry level, Tissot is no level.
don't take me wrongly, I am NOT bashing Ball. I think Ball has a grown leaps and bounds. Just that I don't feel they are entry level at all. If anything I feel they seem to be placing above Oris, below Tag. Personal opinion

only one way to find out.. ask the salesman..if he knows his stuff he can answer you..otherwise you gotta call ML's distributor directly and ask if its adjusted in 3 positions or 5 positions.. if their technicians don't know, don't buy the watch cause you're not going to get good service here. lol

those are below rm8k after discount?

congrats on the purchase. it looks much classier than my tag carrera ML seems to be only going up in price, and very fast at that.
i love their pontos day date.

I've got a TH Carrera Chrono pre-Seiko movements, and I will say it with a resounding no. You're buying a finely decorated Seiko movement that is assembled in a Swiss case.. what's the point? It has the body but doesn't have the soul. TH enjoys recognition from the masses, the brand prowess. But if you're really into fine watchmaking there are more choices..such as Maurice Lacroix, and stretching the budget a little you can get Omega. Zenith is a good choice as well, "abang" TH, but they are more watch oriented than brand oriented compared to TH (built in-house movement that powered Rolex once upon a time)

ask yourself this. Would you buy a Porsche with a Porsche-tuned Honda engine inside for a Porsche price? Or would you rather get a Porsche with a Porsche engine inside? then you will know if YOU will buy a 1887. I know I won't