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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Konchesky, Ayala left, Torres next?

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post Jan 17 2011, 05:54 PM

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Word has it that Liverpool have officially bid for Suarez, this is what i read from the Rawk forums. So take it with a pinch of salt i urge y'all biggrin.gif

Lots of you peeps have put your forth thoughts on Suarez, from being a cheat, right up to being a national hero in Uruguay, I guess that stems from his competitiveness to win cant blame him for being that way although one could wish that he could curb that habit.

If he does indeed come, which looks more likely now, of course ill support him like any other players currently at the club. Gerrard isnt labelled "Starfish" for nothing does that stop us from supporting him?

I dont see the point of chastising a player for his past, could only hope that he can tone down on his antics, & lets not overreact now shall we? Suarez is effin' quality, if we can accept that Diouf, Suarez is miles better off than him!

P.S: We'll be facing United at Anfield, Suarez can dive how many times he wants! laugh.gif

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post Jan 18 2011, 04:01 PM

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I'd take N'Zogbia over Young any day if given the choice..Young has stagnated at Villa hasnt he? was a world-beater once, probably the managerial change had a detrimental effect on him?


Added on January 18, 2011, 4:03 pm
QUOTE(anip94 @ Jan 18 2011, 04:00 PM)
yeah, looks like suarez rumors shaping up to be true
will he play straight away, i mean he's suspended for 7 games right?
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I think that would only be in effect if he plays in the Dutch league

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post Jan 19 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(ik3da @ Jan 19 2011, 03:30 PM)
Has Babel signed the new contract with Hoffenheim? Thought it is just a bid accepted and Babel did said that he would rather get loaned out only.

Still hoping Aquilani will be back soon and does not get signed off permanently to Juventus - we should give him a chance before anyone jumps to a conclusion about him.
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Aquilani probably wont be back, Juventus has the the option to sign him up provided if they stump up the money agreed in the pre-loan arrangement which I heard is 10M pounds, unless of course Aquilani wants to be back,

As for Babel, eventhough there's no word of him confirmed leaving, Its kinda sad to see him being ushered out of the club to be frank, not one of the best performers without being overly sentimental Im kinda attached to him. Never really got a fair whip of the crack like other players, such a prospect in the first season. Partly the blame should be shouldered by the club for not nurturing a talent like him, another player's career ruined potentially by the club.

Ill be waiting him closely in Hoffenheim, if any player deserves a break that is Babel.

Go and get your career back on track Babel! You'll Never Walk Alone!

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post Jan 21 2011, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 21 2011, 11:20 AM)
A couple of days ago, I mentioned that above all, I want to see King Kenny re-establishing the pass and move football we used to play back in the late 80's/early 90's. I expressed my opinion on how I thought signing big players came secondary to this. Since then I've come across this article.
1 point in 3 games may appear to be a slow start for any manager but we all know that numbers only tell half the story. If I may, I'd like to quote an analogy I read somewhere regarding oil tankers. It has been said that if you were to turn to engines off on an oil tanker, it would drift another 4-5 miles before it came to a full stop and could be turned around. The article continued to express how we were like this oil tanker. Results or change would not come instantaneously and any fan with half the gift of thought can see that.

I've read that some people have begun to criticise King Kenny and I can only say that these bunch of people don't know football. They likely read the papers and note that we've lost 2 and drawn 1. Are they completely blind to the other signs??? Let me list a few, what I think to be obvious signs of improvement.

1) Morale has improved amongst players and fans. Players like Torres and Reina have reiterated their desire to see out their contracts. Almost everyone else has expressed their confidence in King Kenny who is revered and well respected.

2) Our football has improved. Even though we lost against the mancs, it took King Kenny only 59 minutes to make a positive double change, even when we were a man down. He threw caution to the wind, and best still, he had a plan B. Sure beats seeing your gaffer rub his face or stroke his chin when you go behind eh?

3) His interviews have been brilliant and he clearly knows what he wants and needs to do at the club.

Aren't these 3 points alone cause to be optimistic?

On a side note, does anyone follow Ryan Babel on twitter? You should. It's hilarous now that he's in "twitter jail".


Added on January 21, 2011, 11:28 amHere is an article I came across which echoes my thougths.
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such an ace of an article! thanks Duke! gotta say Dalglish's return really has some effected the players and club and not to mention the supporters in a positive way.The last remnant of the attrocious G&H era are completely wiped out
I for one wouldnt mind him taking reigns longer than this season, yes he's only been 3 games in charge but at least the management owes it to the man at least a full season. Never had a chance to watch him lead the team during the 80's, so glad I get a chance now.undoubted legend.

I for one am looking forward to every Liverpool matches now compared to the dross we've been serving up under Hodgson's time. If rumors are to be true we might just have Young and Suarez by the end of January. Interesting times smile.gif


Added on January 21, 2011, 7:45 pm
QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 21 2011, 04:01 PM)
Anyone read the news about Konchesky might be used as a bargaining chip for Dempsey?

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch...verpool-dempsey
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Dempsey? If its at the cost of getting rid of the PFK then by all means..but dont see if happening, rules state that a player can represent no more than 2 clubs in a season. PFK played for Fulham and Liverpool already this season which makes it highly unlikely that he will leave. plus Warnock's loan isnt confirmed just yet so we might not be seeing the back of him just yet


Added on January 21, 2011, 7:48 pmTriple POST!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...verpool?cc=4716

came out from the horses mouth itself. another legend in the making. gotta love Reina!

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post Jan 22 2011, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Jan 22 2011, 10:42 PM)
KD have the same goal celebration style as SAF. Typical Scotsman?

anyway, a nice and entertaining game. not only Liverpool but credit to Wolves also. they don't sit back but take the game to Liverpool.
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I rather not mention Kenny and the senile fart in the same breath biggrin.gif

btw

Dalglish achieved what Roy achieved in 6 months in two attempts..

more of the same please boys..

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post Jan 23 2011, 03:29 PM

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Gotta wonder what Torres said to Stearman during this. Immediately when he scored the first goal..Classic! laugh.gif

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wanker was kicking the lumps out of Fernando the entire first half! shakehead.gif

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post Jan 23 2011, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 23 2011, 05:25 PM)
No offense but the king is our manager at the moment and its a bit disrespectful to talk about replacements. Talk about it when the time comes.
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thank f***! qft..

there are still some sensible people in here
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post Jan 23 2011, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ken @ Jan 23 2011, 07:51 PM)
At least Roy signing meireles is proven
Now.
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contrary to popular belief..Eduardo Macia was already scouting Meireles during Benitez's time..

infact if i remember correctly Roy mentioned that he never saw Meireles play before, sticking him constantantly on the right proved it more.. now which manager would sign a player without knowing his best position, let alone watch him
play before signing him? Meireles was always meant to be Aquilani's replacement since the glass boy was struggling to get fit
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post Jan 25 2011, 05:18 PM

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Aquilani really isnt going to come back to Liverpool.

That im sure of at least.
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post Jan 26 2011, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 26 2011, 08:02 PM)
Stevie G is playing tonite?
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Im pretty sure he'll be the first name on the lineup everytime unless of course he's injured or suspended..so yes ill put my house on it and say he will start tonite biggrin.gif
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post Jan 27 2011, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(PPZ @ Jan 27 2011, 05:22 PM)
poulsen playing well yesteday nite? how good is he?
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His best match so far to date at the club.
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post Jan 27 2011, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Fowl @ Jan 27 2011, 05:35 PM)
wouldn't put it as his best match for lpool so far but deffo not bad
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Its not like he played in every match isnt it? unless of course you'd think the Wolves match was his best?
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:11 PM

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anybody who believes Guilliem Balague so call "info" need to take a step back to be honest..this was the same guy who said Torres was having his medical at Man Utd the season before he joined Liverpool..must say he's a pretty funny guy...

Plus it comes from the Sky Sports the same site that said we are on the verge of signing Benzema on the last day of the previous transfer window and Babel was on his way to London in a helicopter to do a medical for West Ham when all he was doing at that time was eating cereals in his home in Liverpool...what bunch of bollocks laugh.gif
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:15 PM

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P.S

Torres and Suarez will lineup against Chelsea next week.
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(Gii @ Jan 28 2011, 10:18 PM)
Are you sure? Ajax asks to much for Suarez and they intentionally don't let him go.
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Its not that they do not want to intentionally let him go..Didnt you notice Ajax never once came out and said in the press flatly that Suarez isnt for sale?

All news only points to our bid being valued low, which indicates Ajax intention to sell. and they will.

Remember Mascherano leaving the Barca this season? the same thing is happening with Suarez and Ajax
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QUOTE(redkord @ Jan 29 2011, 01:11 AM)
okay suarez is in.. and torres wanna go.. bye torres.. thanx for the memories..
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the reason we got suarez is to partner torres.. jeez the comments in this forum!

torres isnt going to leave for f***s sake!

its all a spinup by the media! shakehead.gif
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post Jan 30 2011, 02:23 AM

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aside from the Torres story...

Here's Suarez..

http://yfrog.com/h3g9uhj
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QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Jan 30 2011, 02:27 AM)
i really pity the guy, his arrival should have been exciting.........
but the whole el nino saga turned it sour sad.gif

anyways, welcome to LFC "the gunslinger"
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I understand, but really Suarez coming in is exciting for me at least

Here you go more Suarez vids...

http://www.ajax.nl/Ajax-TV/Top-10-Luis-Suarez-1.htm

Suarez may struggle at first but if we stuck by Crouch for 20+ games for his first goal and Torres for 1 1/2 years with all his injuries, then Suarez should and Im sure will be given plenty of time to set in as well smile.gif

As for Torres..In the end no player is bigger than the club. I love the club more than any players well the exception of Dalglish of course biggrin.gif
thats the whole point isnt it? you buy into the club's etho's, philosophy their traditions

If he wants to go he can go.Im quite disappointed at his actions to be honest but Im not going to resent him for asking for a move , but if he remains at the club then fine I'll support him like every other player at the club though Ill see him in different light compared to season's past.

Keegan left Dalglish came in
Owen left Torres came in
Torres leaves maybe Suarez?

We have the right owners and the right manager in charge surely they'll see up to that proper re-inforcements are in place if Torres leaves. Cheer Up.

We are gonna be alright biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 30 2011, 03:06 PM)
It's not that players aren't irreplaceable, the real question is whether or not we have the capacity to replace Torres ?

Truth is we have some serious re-building to do. Losing Torres is just the tip of the iceberg. The team's aerial dominance has long been shattered ever since we lost Hypia. The link between mid and forward have been pretty much severed when we lost Xabi. The backfour has since been exposed ever since we lost Masc. And now losing Torres will completely remove the team's most prolific goal threat. 

Basically, the back bone that took Rafa 5 years to assemble is about to be completely broken. Only Reina and Gerrard remains - the latter is struggling and im not even sure the former will still want to be here. We truly have the work cut out for us.
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so much doom and gloom mate...seriously you'd stop being pessimistic really..

The rot has already set since 2 seasons ago, it was clear as daylight that the squad needed rebuilding, those 2nd place finishing in the league was mere paper to cover up the massive cracks in the squad. Last season it was thoroughly exposed. Cant blame players for being disillusioned with the current squad that we have. Dare i say that our rebuilding which was supposed to take place 2 years ago will only begin in earnest now with the arrival of NESV. Dare i say that our squad was re-inforced solely because of the fact that our crippling debts and resorted to the extent of selling players to service our debts. So much for the legacy of the cancers aye?

I've said previously that we are no longer under debt no longer servicing any interest payments well at least that that NESV has said and I'd buy into that to be frank. Any sort of player sale i assume will be ploughed back into squad re-inforcement we have Dalglish in charge to see into that. Which I'm sure he will. and if it makes it any better Chelsea too have a big rebuilding project at their hands and they have started with what could be the potential signing of Torres.

NESV didnt buy Liverpool for 300M for the fun of it, which im sure you can attest to and surely they will ensure that we are fairly successful their track records speaks volumes at Red Sox. And they have carried themselves with class and dignity from their short period in charge unlike those overpromising cancers. Im not looking at what it could have been but looking forward. We were linked to Zamora and Carlton Cole 4 months ago and now we are being linked to the likes of Aguero, Llorente , Hazard , Mata. If Torres leaves than the money from his sale can be used certainly to reinvest in our squad. but with the arrival of Suarez I can say that our rebuilding has just begun after it has being put off for 2 seasons. Which shows NESV are being serious of overhauling the club with younger talent rather than going for the like of Zamora and Cole.


Added on January 30, 2011, 3:32 pm
QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jan 30 2011, 03:20 PM)
I don't know how you see it though. Having one of your best players going against you is the last thing I would like to have. With that kind of lineup in Chelsea, for sure I wouldn't want Torres to join you lots. At least until the end of the season. I can see him banging goals left, right and centre if he is going there.

Not that I'm belittling Pool's midfielders but Chelsea's are far superior. Even superior than ours, United.

Plus, even if Pool had that much of money, I don't think they will have enough time to shop around. Negotiating takes time. If it is simple as ABC, I reckon that Chelsea have bought Luiz, Sanchez and others. Clubs will want to put the BEST price for their players. Milking money out of the buying clubs.
Well, that is a diff topic. tongue.gif
Not that im doubting Torres's quality or Chelsea's midfield. The same can be said of a certain Shevcheko.

Well at least he's proven in PL. Will be difficult to see Torres in a blue top against Liverpool next week if he leaves i must say.

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 30 2011, 04:13 PM)
Not my intention to sound all doom and gloom. Im just saying the magnitude of the rebuilding required ahead of us. Some here feels that we only need to replace Torres to be effective again, when in fact, this team is lackign the spine to compete at the highest level. Torres leaving is the testament of this - he simply does not believe we have it to compete. He is effectively telling every other top class players that if you want trophies, please seek elsewhere. We shall see if we're able to attract players like Mata and Hazard whose respective clubs are doing much better than us.
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I understand your point smile.gif

Torres is one man. He is not irreplacable, No doubt he is World Class but Im not going to look more into it because the same can be said about Owen when he left Liverpool to seek for trophy's to Real. We all thought it was doom and gloom and there goes our chances to win trophies. but we won the Champions League that year and 2 years later we went to the finals again with Crouch and Kuyt as our main strikers, nothing against them but they are hardly cut out of Torres ilk are they? & Torres wasn't as prolific as he is now but a a precocious talent when he was at Atletico but he did come to Liverpool afterall.Didnt he?

We need the others lads in the club to step up which I'm sure they will and if they do we might play as well as they can and qualify for for any tournaments and win it, now whose to say that top players might not come to Liverpool?

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