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post Jan 14 2011, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jan 13 2011, 05:38 PM)
And I call myself a Rafa lover, damn it. I do not know about any of you but I love seeing Kenny managing the team with not much regards about the result, the reason there was no more love if there were any towards Woy was because of his tactics, his press conference, etc. King Kenny did not manage a club for a long period but we can't deny that he's light years better than Woy in terms of words, tactics still not there yet, but looks promising.

Rafa's interviews or press conferences were good, but King Kenny is better and he knows what is Liverpool about and most importantly, the boot room.
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I blame RHogson for turning us into scared pus*y cats. He was apologetic to ferguson's attack on torres (the last time we played with them: 2-3 lost) & only came to torres defense much later, RH even appeared to be undermining all our efforts & even before we played the opposition. We were 'defeated' before any game with the lack of motivation, defeatist style. And unless ROy had prior knowledge of the game at hand from the referees or the English FA (like fergie does) he has to prepare the team to go out & fight (play). not succumb like sacrificial lambs offerings. I dont know, maybe he (RH) learned that from his old friend & we got *cough, cough* saboteured in the process rolleyes.gif

KD is back to help instill what was stripped of us. Like how the roman soldiers were motivated to fight with a gallant war call by their general. Even its was dramatised in a movie, (it was inspiring to say the least), A true leader must gather & prepared his soldiers. The players then will need the right strategy, motivation for the task ahead. Of course, after the defeatist approach we had early this season it wont be easy. only at the training ground (at melwood) a new belief be instilled.

Looking back we were desperate to catch up with the money game with ManU, chelsea, arsenal, and we were hoodwinked by some slick texans with mountains of promises but instead they punctured a hole into a bulldozing tanker which eventually ran aground last season. I would absolve any blame of rafa, .. maybe he took too much upon himself to fight the 2 devils that he lost the focus to motivate & prepare the players but it was the 2 devils that cursed LFc soul.

I'm glad the last relic time-bomb G&H left behind was finally removed. It wont be easy. I wish RH all the best. we was a nice man put to manage a wrong club.

Its not the time for us to press the panic button if KD couple of games didnt turn out as planned. We need to be formidable like how we were under rafa. It's not luck, or chance situation that rafa choose to have KD back in liverpool. He knows KD has an aura & rafa was right.

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post Jan 14 2011, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2011, 01:02 PM)
He's an attention seeking gooner who posts rubbish.
That is my gripe with Rafa. Whilst I completely understand the frustration at not being given what he was promised i.e. money, I expect him to get on with his job and not jepordise team morale by constantly undermining the team that he has by stating repeatedly that he needs money to buy new players. Almost anyone could empathise with his predicament but if you ask me, it does the team no good that you blame our poor form last season squarely on the lack of money. While he could do nothing to change that, he could address morale issues which he failed to do so. Are the players to blame? Sure but a part of being a manager i.e. leader is to ensure that you instill fire in their bellies. Maybe we weren't going to win the league, but we should not have dropped points at home against relegation candidates.
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"i need more (quality) men" rafa. "we have talent but the keys players do get injured in a season, & we rely too much on ...". I sure that is the exact scenario at melwood.

yes the way i see it, we are on the same page on rafa's failure to nip it & instead the constants fighting or griping. I cannot & could not defend his misjudgement to his first piority which was to manage the lfc. (even with constants media harping, fans expectations etc), but as hfi pointed out the are my sympathies too for rafa

a pararell situation if one would allow me to draw, AW work at arsenal now. (in todays bob holmes column, the gunners are liken to a 'best-dressed' guy at the dance but never getting the girl. the fans & esp media have been patient. (i know he won with gunners b4 & its more than 5 years at a single trophy)

I'm saying if rafa had not the media & the owners grovels to shovel & with some pocket change for better quality players just maybe we'll still be in a fight.

Yes, your are right, rafa lost sight in his final season but we were building quite nicely untill the owners said what we accumalated in winnings, CL gates attendances $$ will not go to buying new players but you have to sell to raise funds. deadwood players dont raise much, to chase good talent, go hire the better ones.

ok lets move on, rafa is yesterday now.

back to KD. the first thing (as i have said) we need some belief. At the current situation we'll be realistic even if we win all games in hand, we cant win the league. not this year, not in the foreceable future unless we invest & have the academy chums graduate well.

but look across to london, great academy, (almost) stingiest buys (still better then us)..

even at arsenal with all the young talented players, they havent the opportuntiy to court the 'pretty girl' in seasons. (no disrespect to fan of AW, we all (non gunners fans) like he did but somehow we all know you have to dig in or play ugly to win)

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post Jan 16 2011, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 16 2011, 01:33 AM)
well there are rules in the game, and why there are punishments for tackling, for holding back players, for delibrately pulling down opponents through on goal. if a hand ball is considered cheating, why arent all those cheating?

you commit a foul, and you get punished for the crime. that is not cheating. cheating to me is you commit something with the intention of getting away with it.
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yup

i'm sure if 'such' a situation arises, instingtively the defender 'saves' a goal bound , of course there are consequences (red) in the rules, but for the sake/need of saving the team, i'm would think there a high chance even a Lfc would be in the situation risks it. There is no chance to think but a reflex actions. its difficult to label him a cheater unlike..

as going down without a any contact in a non threatening part of the pitch (look at last night korea vs iran). thats fooling the ref.

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post Jan 17 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Jan 17 2011, 01:08 PM)
It's more like he's trying to motivate the current players, without publicly announcing the area that need to bring new faces.

You're only as good as your last game. There is no need for us keep looking backward of our glorious moment.
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right on. its time for a shake down & earn stabilty at LFc (points). I trust KD has the qualities.


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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Jan 17 2011, 02:33 AM)
Our defense is pretty bad...I think our defense is worse than Wolves' when Carra or Agger is not around (esp. Carra)! Very bad marking and awareness in the box...I've supported Liverpool since about 10 years ago but I've never seen our defense so shaky and lack of confidence to win headers. Everytime Everton take a corner or free kick my heart is pounding...

No wonder we are terrible under Uncle Woy, he's trying his best to play a defensive approach with counter attacks and long balls/hoofs....but our defense is the one causing all sorts of problems to ourselves and losing confidence in the process.

I think all the other EPL teams will know how to break down our defence...by simply delivering high or long balls with or without set pieces. Sigh...we need to get a CB fast. Agger has issues with his injuries and if it continues, It will not do us any good. We were too reliant on Carra's shouting and instructions, and hell break lose when he's not around.

Skrtel still doesn't seem World Class to me, I've seen him day in and day out...and he's just an average mistake prone CB. We could get rid of him or injury prone Agger and get another proper CB please. Someone who can shout and command in case Carra isn't around.

In our attacking department, things are looking not bad. Even when we are missing Gerrard, we still have shots on target and Torres just lack a bit of luck today to nick at least one goal. I hope Gerrard returns and make the whole team stronger by supplying more passes, make more forward runs and open up more spaces for the others.
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its my sore point of LFc for a while but glaringly & disasterly exposed this season. We are too realiant of carra (mr multitask/stop gap defender) & so much we never seemed to want to improve at CB/defense. yes he's (carra) much appreciated old faithful but he's being overly utiltise & we never recruited someone better.




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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 17 2011, 03:29 PM)
i dont know, if carra one day uses his hand to prevent an everton goal, this will surely spark a mega debate laugh.gif
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I'm pretty sure carra will instinctively prevent it.
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post Jan 17 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jan 17 2011, 05:12 PM)
I doubt anything will ever tarnish our support and love for KK.

He's been at the helm for 7 days only and the specter of Rafa has effectively been banished. Rafa's sitting twiddling his thumbs in Liverpool an not one person is currently campaigning for his return. Woy did not manage to do this in the seven months that he was in charge.

The wins have not come, but the performances and spirit are slowly but surely returning. The fans are no longer bickering internally. We're not out of trouble yet, but we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Having said that, a win would do wonders.

To add to my earlier post, it is telling that Woy's 'boys' barring Meireles seem to have been phased out. Konchesky hasn't made the bench yet so far has he? Even Aurelio seems to have been deemed a lesser player compared to Johnson in an unfamiliar position hmm.gif Poulsen was given a game and quietly discarded. What of Joe Cole? Is he injured or unavailable, or also deemed 'not good enough'? I was under the impression earlier that with KK's approach, he would be favouring players who can actually play?
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the biggest bloody thing KD hasn't done is to whine "it's not my players". I glad he is instead making do with the available players as he needs 101% from every single one of the them. (but I guarantee the backroom recruiting will be dicussed & be looked into)

I dont think he (KD) really cares who's who but would want an inspired team performance & that will need to help from players to ball boys.

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post Jan 18 2011, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 17 2011, 09:39 PM)
Arrived like a big solid defender that we called man, leaves as a sissy that cant even head well.  tongue.gif

Anyway, on another note, seems like KD is very very daring indeed. Publicly talks about Konchesky and Poulsen  tongue.gif

Kenny Dalglish: I've got to rebuild shattered duo Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen to make my squad stronger

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz1BIORd4x5
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& KD is right, they have not been an apple to us, they like any current players need to dig in. (even joe cole). their careers could just end at the end if they collectively didnt care (esp poulsen who most fans thinks he isnt pulling his socks)
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post Jan 19 2011, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 19 2011, 11:02 AM)
i dont know why but whenever i see him play, his feet feels like sotong sweat.gif
bad education by rafa perhaps the reason why he is not what we all expect of him
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babel had some skills but not a (proper) footballers brain/awareness (unfortunately). He over overdoes sometimes & if any comparison to aquilani, he's only half of the former technical awareness.

thanks for the fun tweets. too bad some pucks dont see the humour in it.
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Jan 19 2011, 05:44 PM)
if any player deserves a break that is Babel.

Go and get your career back on track Babel! You'll Never Walk Alone!
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sadly i see babel to be another "Le Tallec & Sinama Pongolle" syndrome. some promise but somehow never ever made the grade.
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Jan 21 2011, 12:45 PM)
Those people are very annoying Rafa rats still lurking around Liverpool with nothing optimistic in their agenda.
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rafa rats??? wt
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post Jan 27 2011, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 27 2011, 07:07 AM)
accident waiting to happen i fear
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yoda? tongue.gif


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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 27 2011, 09:36 AM)
very messy la near closing....can play better.

Torres opening was epic but noob assistant ref.
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damn devil linesman, Sian Massey had better eye(s) tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 27 2011, 04:01 PM)
Dei if you want to, just do. Don't let anyone or anything stop you barring religion, and your wife! smile.gif

Yeah I thought the interaction between Dalglish and Hughes was funny and nice. King Kenny isn't the sort to get in someone else's face. I think that incident exemplifies the kind of man he is. Testament to the man he is, he now admits that 7th isn't good enough and he's determined to help us finish higher up the table. His sets himself bigger and bigger goals.
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which is why hodgson antagonise the liverpool fans. He castrated the players beliefs with mediocrity...

the players & the fans dont want to settle for less, that not where we want to be. Can we be blamed if he felt there was no love? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ Jan 28 2011, 09:58 AM)
liv has rejected a 40m bid
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not a ghost of a chance. I think its a diversion.

it's actually more insulting when an goat comes in & throws a spanner our bid on claims charlie adam's corners alone are worth £10m. (yeah i know most smaller clubs need to shine his shoes)

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 29 2011, 09:12 AM)
I think rationally, Torres had echoed about BIG SIGNINGS since the last probably 24 months and here we are haven't signed anything really big, except for the 'revival' of Poulsen and Meireles. Not sure about Konchensky.

BUt even if Torres wrote this NOT KNOWING SUAREZ is coming in, it still not something we can easily overlook.

I suspect the sudden change of tone from below 15M to almost immediate agreement of 22.5M for Suarez was because the club hit the 'red alert button' after being told that Liverpool F.C received Torres' transfer request.

Now we have Torres and Suarez, let's see how it goes.

If Suarez is a proven goalscorer, then Torres has to go. Alot of folks in RAWK are unhappy, and suddenly now people are now lining up behind Pepe Reina about loyalty. Probably Pepe could convince Torres for abit, since they're neighbours after all.


Added on January 29, 2011, 8:24 amsomething about a video of Bill Shankly said that "and if you didn't believe me then, you'll believe me now. These players had the honour to play for you."

" Don't let your heads drop. We're Liverpool. You're playing for Liverpool. Don't forget that. You have to hold your heads high for the supporters. You have to do it for them. " Rafael Benitez 25th May 2005

Rafa, if you're reading this... COnvince Torres.
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i agree & share your sentiments. Torres & even gerrard had pointed the need off on big signings under Gilette &Hicks but they did noting (no players in, just f*rking hot air of a new stadium), then comes roy p hougson who sanctioned some mid-table players & tried to incept mediocreness into LFc playing & setting low low standards for us to achieve. I understands his dissapointments (Its exactly whats in alonso's mind & marcherano as they saw what thee f*rking cowboys did.

selling torres is not what LFc should & will do. there is a crisis in torres head, what was his beloved team been tore apart by people who don't know football (which shd be all past now since new owners + KD is in the framework)

i will see how this plays out. Deep inside I believe he in 2 minds unlike MO. i'm sorry to drag that name but I'm drawing a parallel here. Torres is in the company of players who is assembled of the best of the best hence the world cup, the champion league & if we continue to drag ourselve to sign top notch players & have a mentality of seeking more 'Konchensky' then we shd forget the business of being in the top 4.

I believe more of those who were pro-rafa camp fans are the ones who feel torres should not be sold. torres , gerrard & pepe represents more than money to liverpool. THEY are "staunch" liverpoolfc at heart, removing (or selling) any of them (now) is akin a stab into the heart. though i see vultures (some from the camps of another red & some blue coming here, pouring more fuel that LFc shd cash in). kayNN




yes rafa's halftime rally in 2005 is much in need again. Probably rafa will call KD to give him some spainish proverb to untwist torres's mind.

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QUOTE(hosiery2u @ Jan 29 2011, 03:14 PM)
I kinda dislike Chelsea the way they approached Torres, Chelsea should show some respect to Liverpool since Liverpool stand firm that Torres is not for sale.
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We have to be careful here, the same can be accuse by blackpool on our enquiry on charlie adam.

it's business to them & chelsea is exploiting the situation of uncertainty at Lfc.

I trust this will blow away. torres needs some calm to sort things out. we need to accelarate our work to haul us forward. its not just about digging deep into lfc pockets (in past we never displayed the same range of the others) we aren't some oil mega rich sheik but work of a greater plan is needed.

please also dont dig up the arsenal type of spending. we never could pinch rare talent in the past nor groom quality players (which is why KD is readily to admit rafa was right to redo the academy). we arent the rosy big lights city where young talents crave for. (travel to london, manchester & go see the suburbs of liverpool, you will understand a little)

btw welcome abroad suarez. < a winning mentality type of player with huge passion. i think he & monster mascherano display the typical S.american passion

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QUOTE(hosiery2u @ Jan 31 2011, 10:54 AM)
Yes, totally agree with you. If Owen did not leave us for Real Madrid, I think he will be in the England squad for all these years and maybe he already a true legend in Liverpool. Now, oh my god, nobody wants him until Alex Ferguson agree to leave a space for him just because of he is an English, and can meet the quota for total English player per team.  shakehead.gif
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owen went out of our hearts mainly because he ran down his contract & didnt give LFc any upperhand in his sale. we got partly fee for talent like his.

the only reason that ferguson is keeping owen there at utd is because he want the ultimate humiliation to be shown to us when they go on to win the biggest bragging rights of having nick 19th & with a former pool player in his subs. I'm 100% sure he will ditch owen thereafter. (unlike the MU loyal servants who despite playing almost 2 decades be offered a playing contract.)

torres, its was the last 1 1/2 years of dismay & the lies, the fighting at LFc that caught many of us weary. Lfc never match his ambition or any big players ambition for throphies.

I still wish this incident does a complete about turn & torres stays. I know chelsea CAN buy him at that value.
the only clubs in the world who is able to consistently come to negotiated any players of the value above RM30Million pounds ARE MUtd, chelsea, Man city, Real madrid. And they do it consistently.

Any player shd not be bigger then the club, but LFc needs torres as he is far valued key player to help us fight to move upwards. It's unlike the whole team is functioning consistantly in winning & a player like torres can be removed with a suitable player.

of course I will be downcast if this turns to reality in the next 24hrs. but...

i hope there will be a dramatic turnaround & if it does as how rafa made us to believe. my fingers are crossed.
IT would work as a tremendous upturn in spirits at LFC. I still hope & i can dream the club can be were it belongs.

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 31 2011, 03:22 PM)
imagine kena dump the day before wedding... tats the feeling
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its different..
problem is there is no wedding to look forward to, thats the fact we fans have to face the reality.

its much like your Gf (masively love by you) decides to leave you because you are not showing headiway in your carrer or rather be a bum, settles for modiocre simple mid table.

Granted a girl will stick by you if you have the steady headstrong to fight for the future, the club hasnt done much (at least form the last 1 1/2 year) & been massively duped big time by the arrival of some duds sactioned by Roy.

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QUOTE(farisq @ Jan 31 2011, 03:31 PM)
And Suarez, welcome to Liverpool. Just give your all on the pitch and the supporters will accept you with both hands. Just don't declare 100% love and passion for the club because there's no such thing in modern football  yawn.gif . It is better that way.  biggrin.gif
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no, i still believe in torres, his tattoo is a testament he loves us. it goes beyond that. Just ask duke red, a desicion to tattoo is not a fashion statement. he (mark) massively believes/loves lfc.

but like angelina jolie who tattoo billy bob but in the end parted because they no longer had the chemistry together
thats reality.

if we dont match the ambition of top players, we have no business fighting for top honours. WE are not like clubs were the academy is top notch to produce massive talent. we were let down by mediocre produce & rafa shook our academy, he knows we can do better. there are some deadwood at home but unless we have a perfectionist ambition, we can never get our 19th nor future CL throphies.

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QUOTE(skydive @ Jan 31 2011, 03:40 PM)
But the same thing goes like this, has he done much for the club for the past 1.5 years? I remember he was injured most of the time last season. Can that contribute to the bad results?

Why are we blaming the club totally, where the players as well are also to be blamed for the performance. To me, Alonso was the factor last season, but we generally had the same players in 2009/2010, didn't we?
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come on, you are blowing off key here. SO often fans appears to have short memory.

how often we had to play torres when he was completely overused, over tax. Look he almost MISS the world cup because the 110% effort in helping us to salvage the season we miss CL because we were understaffed of key personels. I dont believe why LFc fans can be so forgetful.

Just because some dudes internally wanted massive english talent (abit crooked) in LFc & blames torres for not doing enough in roy era could add insult that torres is a 2 headed snake.

Unbelievable.

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torres needs therapy in LFc. just like loving your gf, i believe until its final, its final.

I believe in still hoping to woo torres back. its like a great affection for someone who does absolute wonders & would continue to be good business sense.

thanks goodness, anelka scuppered the deal in part exchange. I hope someone in spain can know some sense in that boy.

I'm staying at the corner where its far better for us keeping torres then having even andy carroll as replacement. at least until the summer, then the business could conclude.

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