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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Konchesky, Ayala left, Torres next?

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post Jan 14 2011, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Jan 13 2011, 06:25 PM)
Dude, pages ago you're the one calling for his head.  shakehead.gif  doh.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jan 14 2011, 08:10 AM)
Looking back we were desperate to catch up with the money game with ManU, chelsea, arsenal, and we were hoodwinked by some slick texans with mountains of promises but instead they punctured a hole into a bulldozing tanker which eventually ran aground last season. I would absolve any blame of rafa, .. maybe he took too much upon himself to fight the 2 devils that he lost the focus to motivate & prepare the players but it was the 2 devils that cursed LFc soul.   


That is my gripe with Rafa. Whilst I completely understand the frustration at not being given what he was promised i.e. money, I expect him to get on with his job and not jepordise team morale by constantly undermining the team that he has by stating repeatedly that he needs money to buy new players. Almost anyone could empathise with his predicament but if you ask me, it does the team no good that you blame our poor form last season squarely on the lack of money. While he could do nothing to change that, he could address morale issues which he failed to do so. Are the players to blame? Sure but a part of being a manager i.e. leader is to ensure that you instill fire in their bellies. Maybe we weren't going to win the league, but we should not have dropped points at home against relegation candidates.
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post Jan 15 2011, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Jan 14 2011, 06:14 PM)
I dont know what you're on about, honestly, calling Suarez a cheater? He put his hands to stop the ball, admitted to it and gets a red. What sort of cheating is that ? We dont go around and call every guy who puts his hands up to stop the ball a cheater do we ?  laugh.gif
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I'm with madmoz on this one. So he admitted to it but he was happy to do it. I really feel for Gyan and his team. Would Suarez have done what he did if the match had just kicked off? Very unlikely. Opinions are still split and I imagine they will be for the foreseeable future. I don't care about other teams, I care about bringing in "Liverpool type players", in terms of attitude anyway. Did anyone greet Diouf's signing with excitement? Perhaps but I hated him from the moment I saw him flopping about during the World Cup. Maybe Suarez will redeem himself and maybe not, but until then...

Yes Gerrard cheated and worse, he openly condemned diving so there, no bias on my behalf. His actions disappointed me. When I say "Liverpool type player", I refer to Jamie Carragher, a good honest, hard working bloke who plays his heart out each time.


Added on January 15, 2011, 4:14 pm
QUOTE(normeck @ Jan 15 2011, 12:06 AM)
i wonder, was everton has so much passion with their club? so i look around on the web and see what they post on everton forum...ouch!.. there's so much hatred in their post..
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There is a reason they're called "the bitters".

You should pick up a copy of Carra's biography and see what he has to say about the matter, having been a boyhood Evertonian.

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post Jan 16 2011, 09:50 PM

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Good to see Spearing given a start. Anyone could see that he's at least as good as Poulsen. Being a local lad, he'll be up for this one. Just hope his enthusiasm doesn't get the better of him.
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post Jan 16 2011, 10:18 PM

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Who says we don't have quick centrebacks? Kelly is 6'3" and look at him go! Also not many beat Fellaini in the air
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post Jan 16 2011, 11:02 PM

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We've been giving credit to the players but let's not forget the fans who are in full voice. Chants of "Dalglish" are echoing around Anfield. Good also to see King Kenny celebrating like he just scored! I've always liked a manager who displays emotion.
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post Jan 17 2011, 07:59 AM

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No need to further elaborate on our defensive frailties I see. We just collapsed in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half. Skrtel in particular has been looking out of depth in the heart of our defence. He had a good first season but since then, has looked distinctively average. Now Skrtel isn't a small bloke at 6' 3" but he seems to have lead in his feet and isn't as strong in the air as one would expect of a bloke his stature. He looks increasingly uncomfortable dealing with players who dance over the ball as well. Daniel Agger on the other hand I can see staying. King Kenny clearly sees the importance of having a centreback who is composed on the ball and can build from the back ala Alan Hansen. It's just a matter of finding him a defensive partner to complement him. No wonder Kenny's looking.

All in all, I have to say that it was a good derby game despite us dropping 2 points. We had chances which we failed to convert most notably Torres smacking the ball of the post, Kuyt missing the follow-up and Maxi hitting his volley straight into the arms of Howard. I think Phil Dowd did an excellent job last night so props to him. Derbies aren't easy to officiate and I think he was fair and clean in all his decisions. Props to him especially after Mr. Webb's poor outing in our last match.

I just have to give credit to the young lads as well. Jay Spearing hasn't played too many games this season but he took to it like a duck takes to water. He gave away a cheap ball at the start but other than that, had a spotless game if you ask me. I can't see why he's been shelved for Poulsen all this while. Maybe it's because he is a local lad that Kenny chose to start him but he repaid the gaffas faith in him with interest. Anyone remember that full blooded challenge he made on Leighton Baines was it towards the end of the second half? Here's a tiny guy (he's only 5'6") that plays with a giant heart and with his inclusion, not since the mid 80s have we not fielded at least one local lad in the Merseyside derby.

Jonjo Shelvey did well coming on late and showed a lot of maturity in the way he played his teammates into space. He clearly has a creative mind and I think its only a matter of time before he blossoms and plays for the England U-21s. Lets not forget that he is only 18 years old at the moment.

The best performer for me however was Martin Kelly. A natural centreback but playing at rightback, you'd think that's where he starts each game for the ressies. He got forward well and unlike certain fullbacks who forget they need to defend, he is a pillar of strength at the back as well. In the opening 10 minutes he beat Feillani in the air, and that doesn't happen often. In the game against the mancs, Fergie clearly wanted to take advantage of the fact he was raw and played the ball down our right flank frequently only to find a formidable opponent in Kelly. It was the same last night and as much as Kelly got forward, he got back when it matters. Lets not forget that he's 6'3" but did you see the legs on him as he raided Everton's left early in the second half? He got by 2 defenders before reaching the byline to play a cross him. Heck with him an Agger in the centre, we'd have the quickest (and certainly not the smallest) central defensive pairing in the league.

Ah well, a frustrating result but a good game nonetheless.
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post Jan 19 2011, 11:25 AM

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I cannot say I'm surprised but I am saddened to see Babel leave. I've been vouching for him all this while and I've always felt that he deserved a run in the first team. He is big, strong, quick and good on the ball. If anything, its his awareness and reading of the game that needs improvement, and this comes with game time. Ah well, good luck to him in Germany.
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post Jan 20 2011, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jan 20 2011, 09:43 AM)
Bramble? Really?

Well, there are reports that Konchesky is leaving on loan back to Fulham and also many tweets and reports on Susrez's deal being nearly done.

I do not like the player but this will indeed show all the right signs of intent that Liverpool is back and means business. As for Konchesky leaving... our defines is short handed enough as it is, imho he is decent as a backup.

Joe Cole was given 45 minutes in a reserve game yesterday! Maybe the rest of the underperforming players should also suffer the same indignity!
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Added on January 20, 2011, 10:20 amReading several threads here, I see one commonality. Posters are always talking about which positions to bolster. Seriously, new players come secondary to me. To what you say? To developing a system of play. The latter is long term of course but every new manager should work hard on getting whatever players he has at his disposal to play his way. The reason Liverpool were so successful in the past over 4 managers i.e. Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish, is because we played good football and regardless of which players came or left, our style never changed. It is also the reason Man Utd are doing so well despite fielding average players in various positions over the years. What I would like to focus on is what Dalglish is trying to do to address this issue. Its been said to death that we used to pass and move, and with Dalglish focusing on 5-a-sides, I'm hoping it will only be a matter of time when we see the team attacking in pockets of 3-5 players. We've already seen signs of this. When we have an established style, you don't need too many expensive big signings because each player makes the other stronger and better.

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Titus "I can't focus" Bramble? We seriously need to set out sights higher. I don't see why being "dark skinned" has anything to do with it but Bramble is nothing more than a capable backup. Once a promising youngster, he never fulfilled his potential because he couldn't keep his concentration and as a defender, you can never swich off..


Added on January 20, 2011, 7:31 pmKewell? Didn't do anything in a red shirt and pissed McMahon off whilst testing during the 2nd leg against Barcelona.

I was thinking further back. If you think we played riveting football under Benitez, try to d/l older games during the days of Dalglish or earlier.

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post Jan 21 2011, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Jan 21 2011, 09:42 AM)
Still have many proven centre backs out there such as Kjaer (a Liverpool fan), Gary Cahill, Ryan Shawcross (unless u don't mind that he is once an MU player), and Matthew Upson who would open to a chance of joining Liverpool.
Actually, I would love to see how Martin Kelly will do there. From what I've seen this season, he's more physically adept than Martin Skrtel. Both are the same height but Kelly has been stronger in the air, and he's definitely the quicker of the two. Skrtel doesn't read the game particularly well either and with a little more exposure, Kelly could just turn out to be Carra's replacement. No need to look elsewhere unless we absolutely have to. Having said that, signing a centreback is crucial to address our immediate defensive woes what with Skrtel out of sorts, Carra looking like he's getting on and Kyrgiakos vulnerable against quicker forwards.

Sami Hyypia? Fantastic player but I've nothing against the club letting him go. He constantly found it a struggle to keep pace with the game in England and I do think it was time for him to find greener pastures. Looking forward to him returning in the capacity of a coach though.
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On the issue of transfers, looks like we're weighing up a bid for James Milner. Seems like he's been around for ages but he's still only 25. Of all the players we've been linked with recently, I think Milner is the most exciting. He can play anywhere across the middle and he's quick enough to play wide.

On another note, Xabi says "hi".

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You'll never walk alone: Real Madrid ace Xabi Alonso declares his love for Liverpool supporters
By Ashley Gray

Xabi Alonso has paid a glowing tribute to Liverpool supporters and admits the time he spent at Anfield will always have a special place in his heart.

The Spain midfielder quit Merseyside for Real Madrid before the start of last season and has impressed as much in La Liga as he did in the Barclays Premier League.

But back in an environment where supporters are quick to wave white handkerchiefs of surrender in a show of dissent against the clubs they love, Alonso remembers a very different attitude from The Kop.

'To play for Liverpool is something very special,’ he told the Spanish editition of Vogue magazine.

‘There is a very intimate connection between the fans and players that doesn’t exist at other clubs.

‘Even in bad times, the stands do not whistle, instead they sing, “You’ll Never Walk Alone”.’

The 29-year-old’s wife Nagore has equally fond memories of her former home after making the life-changing decision to move when Alonso moved from Real Sociedad to Liverpool in 2004.

Nagore, who had their first child Jontxu on Merseyside in 2008 and has since added daughter Ane to the family, said: ‘It was the best move I made (coming to Liverpool).
‘The relationship went a step further. I had been working on a film production team (at the time), but I packed my bags and went.’

And while many WAGs worry that their partners will appear in lurid newspaper headlines, she has few fears about the man she married eight years ago.
‘I can’t complain,’ she said. ‘I am lucky - Xabi doesn’t go to parties. He spends all his free time with us. After a match or training, he comes straight home.’

Liverpool fans may wish he never left them and there is still a bond with his old club.

Alonso was a surprise visitor to Anfield when Liverpool beat Aston Villa 3-0 in December and, earlier this month, he sent new Reds boss Kenny Dalglish a good luck message via Twitter.
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A couple of days ago, I mentioned that above all, I want to see King Kenny re-establishing the pass and move football we used to play back in the late 80's/early 90's. I expressed my opinion on how I thought signing big players came secondary to this. Since then I've come across this article.

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Kenny: We’ll play ‘Liverpool way’
By Carl Markham

Friday, January 21, 2011


LIVERPOOL manager Kenny Dalglish is keen for the club to rediscover the style of their glory days — as it is the only way he knows how to play football.

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/...l#ixzz1BdRj7UQ5


1 point in 3 games may appear to be a slow start for any manager but we all know that numbers only tell half the story. If I may, I'd like to quote an analogy I read somewhere regarding oil tankers. It has been said that if you were to turn to engines off on an oil tanker, it would drift another 4-5 miles before it came to a full stop and could be turned around. The article continued to express how we were like this oil tanker. Results or change would not come instantaneously and any fan with half the gift of thought can see that.

I've read that some people have begun to criticise King Kenny and I can only say that these bunch of people don't know football. They likely read the papers and note that we've lost 2 and drawn 1. Are they completely blind to the other signs??? Let me list a few, what I think to be obvious signs of improvement.

1) Morale has improved amongst players and fans. Players like Torres and Reina have reiterated their desire to see out their contracts. Almost everyone else has expressed their confidence in King Kenny who is revered and well respected.

2) Our football has improved. Even though we lost against the mancs, it took King Kenny only 59 minutes to make a positive double change, even when we were a man down. He threw caution to the wind, and best still, he had a plan B. Sure beats seeing your gaffer rub his face or stroke his chin when you go behind eh?

3) His interviews have been brilliant and he clearly knows what he wants and needs to do at the club.

Aren't these 3 points alone cause to be optimistic?

On a side note, does anyone follow Ryan Babel on twitter? You should. It's hilarous now that he's in "twitter jail".


Added on January 21, 2011, 11:28 amHere is an article I came across which echoes my thougths.

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How Kenny Dalglish is rejuvenating Torres and Liverpool FC
By Ben Thornley
Jan 20 2011

LIVERPOOL’S playing and backroom staff may be under orders not to talk up Kenny Dalglish’s credentials for the full-time Anfield job, but they don’t have to.  Judging by their  response on the field, it’s clear how the players feel.

To the casual observer a single point from two Premier League games preceded by an FA Cup exit would appear to reaffirm what the cynics said about  Dalglish’s romantic return.

Points, however,  can’t  measure the impact Dalglish has had on Anfield since resuming where he left off in 1991.

For the first time in years there is an air of optimism and excitement about the future of the club, with supporters, players, management and owners sharing the same vision for the Reds.

The focal point of this transformation is Dalglish, who  has provided the  leadership, inspiration and passion missing from the disastrous six-month tenure  of Roy Hodgson, the last symbol of the destructive  Hicks and Gillett regime.

Crucially he has also given belief to players and  supporters.

While the  team may be a pale imitation of the one the Liverpool legend left behind 20 years ago – although far better than his predecessor would ever admit – off the field it’s as if he’s never been away.

To a man less conceited and stuck in his ways than Hodgson, how Dalglish has gone about his business would provide a lesson in what it means to be the manager of Liverpool FC.

Press conferences are now a source of pride rather than embarrassment. When Dalglish addresses the media you hear a man fighting for Liverpool rather than himself, with cutting one liners replacing forced verbosity,  inspiration in place of demotivation.

The 59-year-old has inherited a host of problems from the Londoner. A squad shorn of spirit, resolve  and confidence by the former Fulham boss’ archaic approach and littered with poor buys.

Yet, refreshingly, at no point  has Dalglish attempted to assign blame to Hodgson, as he would be entitled to do.

He recognises now is the time to look to the future to recreate past glories.

Rather than alienate flops Christian Poulsen and Paul Konchesky, the Scot has attempted to bring them in from the cold, albeit partly through necessity, fostering a spirit of togetherness.

He’s put his faith in youngsters Martin Kelly, Jay Spearing and Jon-Jo Shelvey and been rewarded with excellent displays.

Kelly  has been the major success of Dalglish’s return but it is how he has begun to rejuvenate  Fernando Torres that will offer Liverpool fans the most encouragement about the rest of the season.

The Spain striker, in particular, suffered under the dispiriting reign of Hodgson, his regressive  tactics at odds with the number nine’s strengths.

It’s telling that Torres’ finest display under the ex-UAE boss, against Chelsea, coincided with Liverpool  playing  an aggressive pressing game high up the field.
It is an approach partly adopted by Dalglish.

That Liverpool have again  begun to  play football is also benefiting players like Torres, who has rediscovered  the hunger and willingness to chase possession that made his opening seasons such a success.

Like his team-mates, Torres now just needs a lucky break to relaunch  his season. And once Steven Gerrard returns from his three-game ban  to reopen the supply line the striker craves, lift off for Torres and Liverpool will surely follow.

None of this, of course, disguises that the Reds  have yet to win under Dalglish and that  there remains several challenges the manager must overcome.

Some, like a lack of creativity and quality back-up to Torres will hopefully be resolved in the transfer market, while the addition of Steve Clarke will help to remedy defensive weaknesses.

However, Liverpool’s fragile confidence,  chief among their problems, will only improve with  results.

Given the new found spirit at Anfield it’s only a matter of time before they improve and Liverpool are back challenging at the right end of the table.
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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Jan 21 2011, 02:09 PM)
We should all come out for a drink one day to watch a Liverpool game. I'm eager to listen to pro-Liverpool fan's verdict on games. smile.gif
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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Jan 21 2011, 02:54 PM)
Sorry la, I am new here don't know what is My-Rawk... I only know how to watch football thats all...
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Added on January 22, 2011, 11:05 am
QUOTE(triple02 @ Jan 21 2011, 07:42 PM)
such an ace of an article! thanks Duke! gotta say Dalglish's return really has some effected  the players and club and not to mention the supporters in a positive way.The last remnant of the attrocious G&H era are completely wiped out
I for one wouldnt mind him taking reigns longer than this season, yes he's only been 3 games in charge but at least the management owes it to the man at least a full season. Never had a chance to watch him lead the team during the 80's, so glad I get a chance now.undoubted legend.

I for one am looking forward to every Liverpool matches now compared to the dross we've been serving up under Hodgson's time. If rumors are to be true we might just have Young and Suarez by the end of January. Interesting times smile.gif
Same here buddy. Now I greet each upcoming match with enthusiasm and not pessimism when Hodgson was in charge. I also love the fact that Dalglish displays some emotion from the touchline. I've always been a fan of managers who celebrate as though they've just scored when the team does. We've not had one since... Dalglish? Well Souness maybe. Oh wait a minute, Roy did though most of the time it was a defeated face rub.

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Good decision by the lineswoman to allow play to go on. Maybe we'd get some decisions if they had more female referees
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Was it Ward or Hunt?
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Some two months ago, we were well beaten by Wolves at Anfield. Few can argue that Wolves did not deserve their 3 points. This time round we're deserving of our lead having had more posession and attempts on goal.

Same players, different manager, much better football. Let's hope we take all 3 points.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 22 2011, 09:37 PM)
Looks like hunt instead of ward biggrin.gif
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It was. Ward's a big bloke. Converted from centreback to striker/winger. He also scored his first ever Premiership goal against us at Anfield. Was also his first goal since 2007 I think.
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Speaking of Poulsen, it has to be said that he played Mereiles through with a good pass. When looking at the starting lineup on paper, one could easily have been fooled to think we were playing with two midfielders sitting in front of the back four. Whilst Poulsen has been sitting back, Lucas has however been getting forward to support Mereiles. Positive football at last!

Anyone notice Torres give Stearman an earful after scoring?
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Beautiful goal from Mereiles. Not everyday you hit a volley over. 6'5" keeper

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