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 WHY DO THROTTLE BODIES GET DIRTY?

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sinister_sid
post Jan 20 2011, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 18 2011, 08:42 PM)
Actually, both hoses used to be transparent and they turn brown after 2 years of light usage. It shows that manufacturers chose to reroute dirty oil vapour into the intake manifold and intake pipe which will eventually clogged the TB. This is very bad for those with electronic TB (cars that have drive by wire such as Gen2 and Vios).
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dont have any intention to flame ppl
but car manufactor reroute the oil vapor to intake manifold due to the emission and enviromental issue
in old day the oil vapour are release to open air but this were demed to dirty thus later they plug to manifold and it suck to the combustion chamber and were combust away
trade of it is gum,oil residue were left on the whole intake system lo
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Jan 20 2011, 11:52 AM)
errr
dont have any intention to flame ppl
but car manufactor reroute the oil vapor to intake manifold due to the emission and enviromental issue
in old day the oil vapour are release to open air but this were demed to dirty thus later they plug to manifold and it suck to the combustion chamber and were combust away
trade of it is gum,oil residue were left on the whole intake system lo
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Correction, for environmental and money making process. By clogging the TB, u will have to pay for replacement fast. Good for service centre.


Added on January 20, 2011, 2:31 pm
QUOTE(tchtax @ Jan 20 2011, 11:02 AM)
LOL in case, my old Wira still had problems with throttle body biggrin.gif
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That one is a problem inherited from Mitsubishi. Till now, they never figure how to improve it. Many mechanics resort to cut and paste parts from Toyota to solve this nagging issue.


Added on January 20, 2011, 2:32 pm
QUOTE(amad108 @ Jan 20 2011, 10:23 AM)
lol, only new car mostly hv throttle drive by wire ler.. any wira model still use cable for throttle-ling
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Same goes for Myvi. All driven by throttle cable. Good and bad.

This post has been edited by acbc: Jan 20 2011, 02:32 PM
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post Jan 20 2011, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 20 2011, 02:29 PM)
Correction, for environmental and money making process. By clogging the TB, u will have to pay for replacement fast. Good for service centre.


Added on January 20, 2011, 2:31 pm

That one is a problem inherited from Mitsubishi. Till now, they never figure how to improve it. Many mechanics resort to cut and paste parts from Toyota to solve this nagging issue.


Added on January 20, 2011, 2:32 pm

Same goes for Myvi. All driven by throttle cable. Good and bad.
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So is that to say that Toyota cars are more resilient to dirty throttle bodies by virtue of their design and parts?
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post Jan 21 2011, 01:12 PM

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TS, Can you tell us what are the "Current Cars" you talking about?

During combustion some of the fuel may travel backup to the valves, this may include the throttle body valve, when the engine cools down, these fuel harden and sticks on the valve & body, becomes carbon. As such you get buildups. And since only air travels tru the body, there's no cleansing agent, as such the clogs remains there and builds up more & more til one day you have insufficient air and affects the car performance.

Not sure about old cars because they use carburetor have air & fuel mixed inside as such cleansing agent added into the petrol tank will wash some of the deposits away.

For Direct Injection Engines, these problems are much worse, e.g. newer Audi, Lexus, Volkswagen engines, as they utilize Direct injection, fuel don't even passtru the air intake valve, as such the air intake valve which directly connect to the combustion chamber will suffer more of this problem, since it's next to the combustion chamber, the force is higher and fuel will backflow to the air intake valve faster than Throttle body, and more severe clogging happens on those engines, and since air intake valves are smaller than Throttle body valves, the effect is much worse for DI Engines. Cleaning the valve every 20k km is normal as they build up much faster than non direct injected engines.



QUOTE(tchtax @ Jan 13 2011, 12:51 PM)
Hello all sifu's

I notice nowadays that a lot of problems with current cars especially those with the local makes have problems with throttle bodies, getting dirty and so on. Is it mainly because of the petrol, design problem of the TB, the air or what. and how often do you clean your TB's ? I suspect its the type of petrol. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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post Jan 21 2011, 07:59 PM

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all think until so complicated for what??.. its the air filter not filtering the air 100% efficiently laa... surely there will be some dust passing through it at high revs....
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post Jan 21 2011, 09:08 PM

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If Dirty Air goes in it'd go straight into the combustion chamber, it may stay inside the chamber but it won't stuck in the throttle body like gum and end up getting bigger & bigger becoming deposits will they. Unless it's oily air getting in.
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post Jan 21 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(tchtax @ Jan 20 2011, 03:32 PM)
So is that to say that Toyota cars are more resilient to dirty throttle bodies by virtue of their design and parts?
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No. I'm saying Toyota have better tech in solving this aging old infections Mitsubishi problem.

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post Jan 21 2011, 11:38 PM

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Aiya use carb la no fancy stuff so no headache but no fancy fc and no fancy refinement lo . No free lunch in this world
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post Jan 22 2011, 09:01 PM

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If u don't want to worry about TB issues, buy a diesel. Even carb have TB issues also just lesser.

 

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