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Humanities The power of realization, Suicidal
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TSiceanise
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Jan 12 2011, 03:14 PM, updated 15y ago
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Hi there,
i believe that when we face certain hard situation, the thought of committing suicide might surface as a choice to end our problem altogether. This is very disturbing when i read about the news of a 22years old chap jumping from the building when he suffered a failed relationship.
I heard that those who jump from building will not feel the pain when they landed because they are "death" from the very moment they jump...argument been, over-scared and over-shocked. How true is this?
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xHj09
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Jan 12 2011, 05:55 PM
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If I'm not wrong, the brains are still functioning after you jump lol
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Kaffatsum
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Jan 12 2011, 06:02 PM
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While it is true that the brain IS still functioning, the thought of death would probably have encompassed every feeling you already have. So you'll probably feel happy since you believe that all the suffering has finally come to an end. Even if you come to a realization that there was another choice, it would be far too late. It is also possible to die before landing (read it somewhere in a 9/11 article).
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SihamZhai
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Jan 12 2011, 11:46 PM
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I believe that your brain is powerful enough to shut you off at the time you jump. Never underestimate your mental capability. Its like the book ' The secret' Think bout it, work towards it, it will happen. But I wanna question as well: What about those that jump, but died later in hospital? Man that hurts
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faceless
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Jan 13 2011, 08:43 AM
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I am incline to think that the pain will be felt if the brain is still functioning. Sometimes the brain can choose not to register the pain. Whichever the case may be we will not know until we try.
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TSiceanise
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Jan 13 2011, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(faceless @ Jan 13 2011, 08:43 AM) I am incline to think that the pain will be felt if the brain is still functioning. Sometimes the brain can choose not to register the pain. Whichever the case may be we will not know until we try.  can explain more on "sometimes the brain can choose not to register the pain"? how can that be done without drugs intervention?
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alanyuppie
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Jan 13 2011, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(iceanise @ Jan 12 2011, 04:14 PM) Hi there, i believe that when we face certain hard situation, the thought of committing suicide might surface as a choice to end our problem altogether. This is very disturbing when i read about the news of a 22years old chap jumping from the building when he suffered a failed relationship. I heard that those who jump from building will not feel the pain when they landed because they are "death" from the very moment they jump...argument been, over-scared and over-shocked. How true is this? If like this, most first time parachutist/paragliders would be dead before landing, with pee stain on their pants. Added on January 13, 2011, 10:32 amQUOTE(iceanise @ Jan 13 2011, 11:22 AM) can explain more on "sometimes the brain can choose not to register the pain"? how can that be done without drugs intervention? Means during extreme situation, an individual do what needs to be done and is totally focused on that (our of fear/courage/etc). Any pain inflicted upon him will not be be felt until he calmed down. for eg a soldier that charges towards the enemies and swinging his rifles/firing away . The pain from the injuries he acquired wont be felt until he finally come to a rest. And then.... *ouch* .... faints. This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Jan 13 2011, 10:32 AM
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TSiceanise
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Jan 13 2011, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jan 13 2011, 10:26 AM) If like this, most first time parachutist/paragliders would be dead before landing, with pee stain on their pants. maybe the perception is different between a paraglider and a man that intent to end his life. Paraglider jumps because they expectation to jump is towards fulfilling their dreams, curiosity or etc (on positive side), whereas, a man who intent to end his life maybe will have a more negative expectation - that's to end his own life. Basically, i just want to say that one jump to obtain pleasure and one jump to end suffering. Not sure bout this
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faceless
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Jan 13 2011, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(iceanise @ Jan 13 2011, 10:22 AM) can explain more on "sometimes the brain can choose not to register the pain"? how can that be done without drugs intervention? Have you heard of people who were severely injured and they felt no pain at that moment. After getting treatment in hospital the began to feel the pain.
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TSiceanise
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Jan 13 2011, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(faceless @ Jan 13 2011, 11:13 AM) Have you heard of people who were severely injured and they felt no pain at that moment. After getting treatment in hospital the began to feel the pain. argument being they are diverting their attention on survival and death instead of pain? Or it's very much on consciousness? Once i climbed over the fence and i fall down, realising that there's a slight pain on my hand, it's not that painful until i look at it and find out that a portion of my flesh is torn....it is a choice to condemn the feeling of pain? i do not think that we can actually do it if we are conscious and not distracted by any other things. Come back to the suicidal, when he jumps, he's diverting his attention to his problems, as such, when he crashes the floor, that intense pain lasted for few mili second because it kills it immediately. However, in his case, he manage to survive another 6 hours before certified death....do you mean that he will not feel the pain within that 6 hours because he never survive through. If he does survive through, then, he will feel the pain. Should i conclude that?
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3dassets
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Jan 16 2011, 04:02 AM
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Pain or no pain, still have to die. The time is not like normal hour anymore in that smashed up body, how many percent of the brain still intact to feel the pain?
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dkk
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Jan 17 2011, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(iceanise @ Jan 12 2011, 03:14 PM) I heard that those who jump from building will not feel the pain when they landed because they are "death" from the very moment they jump...argument been, over-scared and over-shocked. How true is this? I am disinclined to believe those who are telling you this. After all, how are they getting this information? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhatt...KjjAChfu5GVkWoLMan jumps from 9th floor aparment, lands on garbage, and survives. If he was dead when he jumped, he should remain dead, despite landing on the huge pile of garbage that cushioned his fall. http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/01/man-surv...m-nyc-building/Thomas Magill jumped off the 39th floor, lands on a car and destroys it, breaks his legs, but survives and was conscious.
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faceless
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Jan 17 2011, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(iceanise @ Jan 13 2011, 01:38 PM) argument being they are diverting their attention on survival and death instead of pain? Or it's very much on consciousness? Once i climbed over the fence and i fall down, realising that there's a slight pain on my hand, it's not that painful until i look at it and find out that a portion of my flesh is torn....it is a choice to condemn the feeling of pain? i do not think that we can actually do it if we are conscious and not distracted by any other things. Come back to the suicidal, when he jumps, he's diverting his attention to his problems, as such, when he crashes the floor, that intense pain lasted for few mili second because it kills it immediately. However, in his case, he manage to survive another 6 hours before certified death....do you mean that he will not feel the pain within that 6 hours because he never survive through. If he does survive through, then, he will feel the pain. Should i conclude that? I am not sure how the brain decide when it should ignore certain pain and for how long it can last.
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eXPeri3nc3
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Jan 22 2011, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jan 13 2011, 10:26 AM) If like this, most first time parachutist/paragliders would be dead before landing, with pee stain on their pants. Added on January 13, 2011, 10:32 amMeans during extreme situation, an individual do what needs to be done and is totally focused on that (our of fear/courage/etc). Any pain inflicted upon him will not be be felt until he calmed down. for eg a soldier that charges towards the enemies and swinging his rifles/firing away . The pain from the injuries he acquired wont be felt until he finally come to a rest. And then.... *ouch* .... faints. I thought that is adrenaline rush.
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flight
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Feb 4 2011, 11:10 PM
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I can't believe there are people arguing over whether people are dead before they land. Rofl.
It's obvious that they are not dead isnt it?
I imagine it would be something like this
*leap off the building dropping...* falling.....* *... omg did I just make a mistake?
SPLAT* OMG IT HURTS. pain... numbness... then euphoria.. and then death.
Suicide is stupidity.
edit: but then again this is a form of darwinism?
This post has been edited by flight: Feb 4 2011, 11:11 PM
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SRLee
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Feb 7 2011, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(dkk @ Jan 17 2011, 01:30 AM) http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/01/man-surv...m-nyc-building/Thomas Magill jumped off the 39th floor, lands on a car and destroys it, breaks his legs, but survives and was conscious. Smashing into the ground at almost terminal velocity, and survives.
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ah_suknat
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Feb 7 2011, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jan 13 2011, 02:26 AM) If like this, most first time parachutist/paragliders would be dead before landing, with pee stain on their pants. Added on January 13, 2011, 10:32 amMeans during extreme situation, an individual do what needs to be done and is totally focused on that (our of fear/courage/etc). Any pain inflicted upon him will not be be felt until he calmed down. for eg a soldier that charges towards the enemies and swinging his rifles/firing away . The pain from the injuries he acquired wont be felt until he finally come to a rest. And then.... *ouch* .... faints. you are talking about adrenaline
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SUSgtasaboss
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Mar 21 2011, 08:45 AM
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nope. head trauma caused by falling from great heights will induce instant death. you feel no pain, no suffering unless if you insist that you're ironman and decides to the landing pose when you hit the ground at 70kph.
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debiru-man13
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Mar 26 2011, 03:33 PM
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I think it's funny how we, the living, are talking about whether death occurs or not even before the jumper hits the ground. To me, this question is the same as "How would death feel like?" Answer: Nobody knows, because do you know anyone who has come back from death to explain it? I don't think so. And people can only give assumptions at most. Unless someone knows how to use an Ouija board and find a willing interviewee....
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Angela Lee
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Apr 30 2011, 02:31 AM
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QUOTE(iceanise @ Jan 12 2011, 02:14 PM) Hi there, i believe that when we face certain hard situation, the thought of committing suicide might surface as a choice to end our problem altogether. This is very disturbing when i read about the news of a 22years old chap jumping from the building when he suffered a failed relationship. I heard that those who jump from building will not feel the pain when they landed because they are "death" from the very moment they jump...argument been, over-scared and over-shocked. How true is this? Can't remember exactly but there's an experiment in which a person falls down high from the sky, his feeling of time was slower than a regular person. Apparently motion can change time... like Einstein's Relativity theory. I think they still feel intense pain and the pain won't go away for a while...
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