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Knight_2008
post Jan 12 2011, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Jason3399 @ Jan 12 2011, 02:09 PM)
I had done my SPM last year and currently i`m waiting to get my result.. However, i`ve been eyeing on accountancy.. But i dont know wat are CAT,CPA,ACCA, ICAEW, CFAB all about.. rclxub.gif Been hearing a lot from teachers but i`m still shocking.gif  Can someone enlighten me? Million thanks in advance.. notworthy.gif

And one more thing, can i hope for getting into local universities and opt for accountancy by venturing into form 6 1st? Will it save cost and wat`s the minimum score i should get in order to be qualified for accountancy course in local uni?

*wat if i dont do well in form 6? time will be wasted or i can salvage it and straight away go for degree?
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if u are dead set in accountancy..go straight for either acca or icaew.. no point going into degree in malaysian uni as you would still be required to go for these professional bodies by the big 4 audit firm although acc grad from public uni can become mia members.. moreover, there are rumours that government is planning to scrap this route soon... moreover, people who go for degree usually wnat it due to the brand name of university and i highly doubt local public uni can give u the brand name u want outside of malaysia..acca or icaew would be much better.

furthermore, after completing cat and acca part 2 which altogether requires 2 years only, you cna do a theses and be awarded a degree by university of oxford brookes smile.gif

not only that, acca will only takes 3 years in contrast with degree in public u of 6 years..( 2 years stpm and 4 years degree).. or u cna opt for icaew where you join cfab for 1 and half years den another 1 year for icaew..den work for 3 years while doing 3 more papers and become member of icaew.. it's the most prestigious accountancy body.

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post Jan 12 2011, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Jason3399 @ Jan 12 2011, 03:33 PM)
Hmm.. Which means take CFAB then proceed to ICAEW is faster than ACCA is it? Which is more recognized worldwide?
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both is almost equal length..

cfab 1.5 years..den 1year full time study of icaew..den 3 years training while taking 3 more papers..den chartered accountant.. altogether 5.5 years..

cat 1 year... acca another 2 years (can be 1.5 years if you willing increase ur workload)..then another 3 years of working..altogether 5.5 to 6 years den only Chartered accountant..

icaew is much more prestigious but also harder...furthermore, the 3 years training is bonded..which mean you cannot jump to other firm..


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post Jan 12 2011, 07:34 PM

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acca cost about 35k inclusive of the OBU degree..icaew i'm not sure..why don't you visit sunway and ask around..
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post Jan 12 2011, 07:37 PM

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i assume u are either 17 or 18 right? go yourself, no one is going to kidnap you, lol. on a more serious note, you can also e-mail them smile.gif

anyway, i would personally recommend icaew if you're a bright student. it's considered creme de la creme of the professional body
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post Jan 13 2011, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Irene Ng @ Jan 12 2011, 11:12 PM)
I am having the problem almost same with you neither... I am taking Diploma in Accountancy now in Segi College Penang. I am now considering about I should futher my study in ACCA or Degree... My friends told me that they are going to take Degree because after graduate from Degree there are 5 paper can be examted, so I actually don't know which should I take cry.gif
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just go directly for acca. unless your degree is from top ranking uni such as nottingham, lancaster or monash, there's not really any point in taking a degree up..


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QUOTE(Jason3399 @ Jan 12 2011, 11:48 PM)
But wat if i cant get a place in local uni? or maybe if i got the place, will i be able to choose accountancy? ACCA cant be consider as degree? rclxub.gif  And getting MIA membership is a must?
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if u can afford acca, den go for it. and getting MIA is not a must if u are not interested in starting ur own practice (ie. open ur own firm for accounts or audit related services).. a membership in foreign professional bodies are widely recognised in malaysia as well as overseas.. btw..so as longas u are member of acca or icaew, you can apply for direct entry into MIA.. don't bother about it if u don need it as u will need to pay membership fees.. smile.gif


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QUOTE(Irene Ng @ Jan 12 2011, 11:58 PM)
Thanks for your advise biggrin.gif
But I don't know I should take Bachelor Degree or ACCA... Is that true that ACCA is difficult to pass??
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you should be able to pass if you're hardworking

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post Jan 13 2011, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(Irene Ng @ Jan 13 2011, 12:24 AM)
Ya, you are right. The reason why my friends choose to futher their studies in degree is because they want to have examptions in ACCA. For them, ACCA is difficult to pass. Do you know about the fees of studying ACCA??
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35k in sunway inclusive of the obu degree fees..
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post Jan 13 2011, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(Jason3399 @ Jan 13 2011, 01:17 AM)
but take either of these professional course then just pay the membership fees for MIA also will do d right? No need susah-susah go take degree..
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post Jan 13 2011, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(Miss @ Jan 13 2011, 02:22 AM)
It's all boils down to your own capability in term of academic strength. No point really go for a course based on forumers suggest to u ( no offence). Do some research about the exam behind the acca or icaew. There is plenty passed years paper for u to see how the exam been structured.

It not a wise judgement to choose merely based on ppl claims how fast the duration of the course u can completed it. No everyone capable to make it within the duration. Just an example, acca is tough enough to the extent for candidates reach mature ages still struggling to pass the professional paper.

I'm not here to discourage u but just to give u some facts when thing doesn't worked out (u would ended up with nothing). Plenty of ppl called quit in half way ended up without any proper qualification. Yes, you still young now, but few years down the road when u're at 23 or olders still unable to completed acca, u have to opt for part time route. Assuming u're about join for big4 and bear in mind that an auditor work load is extremely high.

Be prepared if u're high ambitious aimed for icaew even, the route will be more tougher ahead. So i would suggest u to discuss with seniors who are working or had done the professional paper. No point to be blindly listening ppl who didn't taken the exam before. They might not know how tough the exam set in later stage.

And YES for your question, the MIA is essence that most accounting background scholar eyeing for. Most common ppl will opt for professional body like acca or Cpa (australia) to certified as an accountant (applied MIA). Besides that, you can also opt for our local accouting body (MICPA) but fewer ppl will opt for this as is not international recognised.

If u want prestigious professional body u can opt for ICAEW or ICAA (australia)  that enable u become chartered Accountant.
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he's a 10 As student based on his post in another thread. So long as he is willing to work hard, his intelligence will definitely enable him to pass ACCA smile.gif
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post Jan 13 2011, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Jan 13 2011, 01:13 AM)
This statement is not correct. It is an absolute must if you want to practice as an Accountant in Malaysia.

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that's the reason there's no longer the post of accountant in most companies. if u work for MNC, you would most likely be called finance executive, finance manger, financial controller or even cfo.. u are not holding out youself as accountant and as such will not breach the law..

in commercial line, title is not important but job scope and the pays should be more of ur central concern.

only when u practice as a public accountant, will MIA be be very important.. I'm pretty sure most MNC will not mind u not having MIA qualfication as along a you are a member of some professional bodies like acca and ICAEW.. at least that's what I heard from HR of some companies during the career fair
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post Jan 13 2011, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Jan 13 2011, 02:49 PM)
Note that they always put "or any other term of like description" "description in such circumstances as to indicate or to be likely to lead persons to infer  that he is a chartered accountant or that he is qualified by any written law to practise the profession" "  ©  adopt, use or exhibit the terms "accountant" or any other term of like description in such circumstances as to indicate or to be likely to lead persons to infer that he is a licensed accountant or an associate member. "

It DOESN'T MATTAR WHAT IS THE JOB TITTLE, the law covers job tittles and also job scopes, so saying
As far as the professional bodies are concerned what you are saying is like saying doing a Doctor's job is ok if your not registered with MMC as long as you don't call yourself a Doctor.

Fact is if they were to perform an Accountant's duty and not be a member of MIA, then it' against the law in Malaysia. You can't even indicate that you provide such services, you can't even put stuff that will make people infer that you might be an Accountant or provide such services.

Companies will take you in if you are a member of ACCA etc. since by being a member of those bodies you are elligble to become a member of MIA.
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the above paragrah states "holding out or practise" which means, u announced to your client that you are a chartered accountant in order to secure a job or a business.

as such, all those having public practice (ie. contract for service), where the relationship they have with those who use their service is of client-contractor nature, will require to be a chartered accountant. However, this is applicable to those who is in charge of public practice firm, and not their employees.. the employees could be not chartered accountant, however, the one responsible if anything goes wrong will be the CA as the client goes to the firm for services due to their faith of the Chartered Accountant.

however, in commercial firm, ie companies no one is required to hold a chartered accountant license in order to perform the finance and accountancy role.. it is the auditor who must be chartered accountant. what you imply does not make sense as if it is true, does that mean an owner cannot prepare his own financial statements if he is capable of it although he is not a CA?

I suggest u refrained from speaking in order to not mislead others. I have a friend who has a law degree and is an ACCA too and he agrees with what I said. Pretty much this is the consensus of accountancy professional all over Malaysia. If you don't believe, write a letter to MIA. Ask whether can u join the accounts department of a company or an audit firm but you're not MIA. If so, how can anyone trained for 3 years to gain the required experience as chartered accountant. It irked me that people who don't know about things start quoting laws without proper understanding
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accountant is a post.. it conveys a message of integrity..that's it is a protected word..

however there is nothing stopping someone from using someone's service in preparing financial statement so long as that someone does not say he is an accountant and the employer understands that someone is not an accountant.. it's a free world.

as such, when client engage the service of a chartered accountant firm, does that mean everyone in the firm needs to a CA? The answer is no. So long as the firm is headed by a CA and there is enough CA around to exercise proper supervision over the process and services rendered, then it is fine.

what more, in companies those in charge of preparing F/S are not addressed as accountant, as such they are not holding out themselves as accountants.. auditors who are CA will be around to give reasonable assurance that f/s is prepared giving true and fair view..

Btw, are u an accountant? if yes, you don't seem to understand the technicalities of the law governing your own profession.. My lecturer was once head of both treasury and finance department of a listed company and yet is not a member of MIA. Doesn't seem the government made a fuss out of it when she deal with the IRB

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post Jan 14 2011, 12:57 AM

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depends on how many papers u take and where u study.. sunway have more hours per paper
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post Jan 14 2011, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(Miss @ Jan 14 2011, 03:48 PM)
Even u become a member though, the yearly membership fee AUD#600 = RM 1,800 each years. I bet u find a company with policy pay for employees membership fees.
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sorry, u lost me here. Do you mean that companies are not willing to pay for membership subscription fees? cause unless u work for some chinaman company i'm pretty sure they do pay for your membership fees so as long it's rleated to your job suschas internal audit, external audit, finance, accounting, banking
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QUOTE(Jason3399 @ Jan 14 2011, 05:30 PM)
oh ya guys.. wat is Big4?
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the top 4 accounting firm smile.gif PWC, EY, KPMG Deloitte.. seriusly, learn how to use google and do some research..it will benefit u
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den try harder, sooner or later in ur life, you will reach a stage where you have to learn certain things on your own smile.gif
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post Jan 15 2011, 06:06 PM

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i think can.. cause i remember my lecturer telling me that by the time acca grad go and work in audit firm, the icaew people of same age will be our superior
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post Jan 15 2011, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Jason3399 @ Jan 15 2011, 07:22 PM)
Ooo.. think i gonna take ICAEW instead of ACCA if tat`s the case.. whistling.gif
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sorry my mistake.. that was last time when the best CAT students will be selected to go for ICAEW after finishing their CAT which took a year.. Immediately they will start working while doing their ICAEW papers part time smile.gif

now i think almost the same cause icaew students have to study 2.5 years full time before being released to workforce..therefore, they have only half year working experience advantage as compared to acca grad.. nevertheless, icaew being more prestigious will aid u later in ur career smile.gif


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yup smile.gif but not only BDO i think
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QUOTE(BlueSpark @ Jan 16 2011, 12:06 AM)
You got that wrong.

1) The best CAT students will be selected to go for ICAEW after finishing their CAT

2) They will do 1 year full time, ( 8 papers ) in Sunway

3) Then they go BDO

1 year faster than ACCA

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sunwya no longer provide this route i think.. they focus on the CFAB route only smile.gif and btw it's 9 papers not 8 and not only BDO that's providing this training.. i am a student there..so which part am I wrong?
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QUOTE(Jason3399 @ Jan 15 2011, 10:50 PM)
whoa.. My family financial status is not good.. Wanted to take loan but PTPTN doesnt approve if its a professional course.. any other ways tat i can get loan?
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can try to apply macpu scholarship smile.gif my friend told me it's quite easy to get as very few people apply for it.. anyway..you got 10 As right? you are eligible for entrance scholarship which covers almost the whole CAT fees already smile.gif after that u can apply for MACPU scholarship for ACCA

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