I think the Cata raiding system is good for small guilds like mine.  My guild used to have 10-15 good players, and the rest were so-so.  We could do regular 25man, but no way we could carry the rest and pull of hard modes.  Since ICC, I've only been doing 10man.  25 man is too much of a hassle with loot distribution, attendence, class composition, etc etc etc.  Then again, I'm not a top-tier hardcore raider.

I can imagine why
BoE epics that drops in any given raid with members that could use them as upgrades are of course FREE for that grp raid members. We are talking about BoE Epics that drops from OTHER raid grps, without a class that can optimise the gear or already has the item.  Raid leaders agreed to put those in Gbank (without compensation) for other members to acquire at cheaper price or foc in a practise to help others to gear up faster.

We used to run EPGP for our 25-man (2 grps running simultaneously). Heading new into Cata, we are still short of geared members for 25 man grp. The main concern however is the line stability when running 25 man. We've tried it and it was really really bad and involving some core raiders who would otherwise be fine in a 10 man grp (and yes, that's with tunnelling).  I'm hoping that the stability issue will be made more manageable in the near future, but for the time being, we sticking to smaller 10 man grps.

As it's only a 10-man, looting is never an issue. It's more a less on loot council now for individual grps. For eg, if a healer received an upgrade in the previous week, the following week he/she will pass on for the other 2.. things like that.

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Like most guilds, mine anticipated this problem and called for a meeting (all guildies were welcome to attend) to discuss our guild's future raiding direction.

Our guild leader was comparing the pros and cons between 10 men for 'easier progression' or 25 men for 'guild unity'. He was worried that if 10 men groups form, elites will be taken and fought over while stragglers will be left behind with less chance for improvement. The choice at that time was to go on with 25 men raids like what we used to do during TBC and WotLK, unfortunately into Cata, the guild started fragmenting. Some left because they wanted to progress faster on 10 men raids. From a guild that was almost strong enough to do 2x25 men raids, we dropped to barely enough for 1x 25 men raid. Added to the equation that some healers were not geared enough for raid + schedule inconsistancies, the guild has decided to drop down to 3x10 men raids. 1 weekend group and 2 weekday groups. Loot that dropped were just rolled for, final say remains with the RL just in case some keep winning.

I won't say that the change has affected us, its the wanting to take advantage of the situation that has affected the guild but then again, its just a matter of getting used to the new raiding system. It will blow over and be taken as the norm.

lol what a thread. i wouldnt say its a downfall for the 25m guilds as u can see most of the top progressed guild are still from 25m, its really depends on which one works the best for u or ur guild

Thats the benefit for 25man, class stacking..

Stars downed yogg zero light (when its quite impossible to kill without exploit) with 5 locks.. they wanted to go with 7. Paragon stacked pallys for H LK for aura mastery rotation and vile spirit absorbs.. now 11 druids for h nefarian lolz

Cant wait to see what they will do for the Sinestra kill..