I think it depends on ppl number and your previous setup. Like most poster stated, if you done 25 before, unless there is ppl quiting, you should keep continuing. Yes, 10 man better to organize and manage and keep your guild to enough crew to run 10man so that everyone can participate.

I can imagine why



BoE epics that drops in any given raid with members that could use them as upgrades are of course FREE for that grp raid members. We are talking about BoE Epics that drops from OTHER raid grps, without a class that can optimise the gear or already has the item. Raid leaders agreed to put those in Gbank (without compensation) for other members to acquire at cheaper price or foc in a practise to help others to gear up faster.

This post has been edited by ArmRule: Jan 10 2011, 02:58 PM

just wondering, wut are ur looting system now?
i would agree on the optimizing of gears (like during icc, dun give arp trinket to ret paladins over warrior, rogue and hunters)

We used to run EPGP for our 25-man (2 grps running simultaneously). Heading new into Cata, we are still short of geared members for 25 man grp. The main concern however is the line stability when running 25 man. We've tried it and it was really really bad and involving some core raiders who would otherwise be fine in a 10 man grp (and yes, that's with tunnelling). I'm hoping that the stability issue will be made more manageable in the near future, but for the time being, we sticking to smaller 10 man grps.

As it's only a 10-man, looting is never an issue. It's more a less on loot council now for individual grps. For eg, if a healer received an upgrade in the previous week, the following week he/she will pass on for the other 2.. things like that.

ooo try wowtunnel, pretty decent for me

I have to agree and disagree in some of the comments.

I would have to agree with the comments given if it has been guild norm for the process for BoE loot charges. If previously, there are no such rule, and all loot were free for BoE, the changes doesn't make sense if it is for raiders and in for a guild. For example, since we focusing on this Lanun guild, you guys have 4-5 10man group, group 2 got a loot which is required by a guildies in group 5, wouldn't it be correct to give to that other group member is no other required for his/her group progression? It seemed logical.

However, I do agree with the comments if this is this guild norm, which is not.

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Added on January 10, 2011, 3:34 pmROFL another personal attack... what company you work for again and your salary compared to mine? Hahaha. Please laa, don't compare things not related to WoW. Stop being childish.

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Added on January 10, 2011, 3:35 pmGamepath or the new highpingbuster is quite good. It's more of the ISP and hardware settings imo.

This post has been edited by manoque: Jan 10 2011, 03:35 PM

Gamepath sucks! use wowtunnel better. well its better if u paid for the service tho..

This post has been edited by urakei: Jan 10 2011, 03:54 PM

I think we should put this in another topic, it depends on the ISP actually since I am running on streamyx 4mbps, gamepath at average 200-250ms.

SORRY FOR TYPING IN CAPS AND USING MALAY LANGUAGE IS MORE RELEVANT BECOZ THIS IS HAPPEN TO GUILD NAME 'LANUN'.'LANUN' IS A MALAY WORD..THEN FOR SURE YOU GUYS IS A MALAY SAME LIKE ME.. SO THIS IS THE MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT WOW IN THEIR LIFE!!

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Hahaha. Nothing related to personal from me dudeinwow, just highlighting what's right and wrong and it's not Malay guild laa, got other races too daaaa.

This post has been edited by manoque: Jan 10 2011, 04:30 PM

dude dun get race into this whole discussion...

All guild should have a strategy to channel resources towards guild progression. Here's my tip.

1) When raids are on farm status then MAXIMIZE this time for guild to earn gold, selling mounts/achieve/Selling unwanted BoE's. Gold earned by the guild at this time is VERY VERY important for next tier progression. E.G. Buying mats to craft all possible gear or even buying BoE from AH for your main tanks/off tanks/healers.

2) During raid progression, mistakes by guildies will be penalized in ep 1st then gold then MOAR gold in exponential effect then finally replaced. The gold that the guild received from there will be channeled back as guild repair fees/free flask.

3) During progression, all BoE's should be handed out to outstanding players mainspec(raid performance, attendance, loyalty) without charge. If they are buying for their offspec, 50% of AH prices apply. All BoE must be equipped on the spot.

Tl/DR: Dont make gold out from guildies during progression status. Help them to progress and you will be on farm status sooner than ever to make more gold for your guild's next tier progression. Plan ahead to avoid loot drama.

This post has been edited by geno: Jan 11 2011, 10:43 AM

agreed with Geno.

This post has been edited by Xerve: Jan 11 2011, 02:07 PM

Back on topic, I do think that Cata will be the fall of 25man. Already you're seeing so many guilds focusing on 10man instead of 25man as compared to the start of WOTLK. There is no more hype to killing a boss in 25man anymore because everybody else is at the 10man progression thread. My guild which has been doing 25man from BC till the end of WOTLK is now only doing 10mans.

so, last time, vanila wow, is 40 man raid hor?

then, with burning crusade, got 25 man raid?

now, with cata, got 10 man raid oh?

so ... in the future ... 5 man raid ?O_O

You ber-trollol la.. jangan emo pasal WoW.. nanti sakit mental tau.. macam orang kena sawan.. bercaps lagi.. apedah...

Like most guilds, mine anticipated this problem and called for a meeting (all guildies were welcome to attend) to discuss our guild's future raiding direction.

Our guild leader was comparing the pros and cons between 10 men for 'easier progression' or 25 men for 'guild unity'. He was worried that if 10 men groups form, elites will be taken and fought over while stragglers will be left behind with less chance for improvement. The choice at that time was to go on with 25 men raids like what we used to do during TBC and WotLK, unfortunately into Cata, the guild started fragmenting. Some left because they wanted to progress faster on 10 men raids. From a guild that was almost strong enough to do 2x25 men raids, we dropped to barely enough for 1x 25 men raid. Added to the equation that some healers were not geared enough for raid + schedule inconsistancies, the guild has decided to drop down to 3x10 men raids. 1 weekend group and 2 weekday groups. Loot that dropped were just rolled for, final say remains with the RL just in case some keep winning.

I won't say that the change has affected us, its the wanting to take advantage of the situation that has affected the guild but then again, its just a matter of getting used to the new raiding system. It will blow over and be taken as the norm.

TBH I reckon 10 man is easier to manage..

it just provide the guild with flexibility and option...
my guild still run 25m and when u kill a boss in 25, u can proceed to kill it in 10m for extra loots as well...

note: i'm a casual in guild now though i just helped a guildie's 10m last nite as he needed an extra dpser

lol what a thread. i wouldnt say its a downfall for the 25m guilds as u can see most of the top progressed guild are still from 25m, its really depends on which one works the best for u or ur guild