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post Jan 5 2011, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jan 5 2011, 07:32 AM)
How can that be the same as this donation? They are clubs, our team is a national team. They were in bankrupt position, Malaysian team is not and will never be. Their resource come from the owners, fans, marketing etc. Our national team sponsored primarily by the government.
I got nothing to against this move but like others, I found this kinda funny and bemusing. Isn't our tax are supposed to cover this? And will the money donated go to the right channel?

But kudos to TS for opening this thread  smile.gif
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thats is not true. Government grants only count very little in FAM's annual budget.... even in multisporst events, football is under Cathegory B - use own bajet first but can claim back if won medal..

Our tax did cover the 5k they will get separately. Only as a supporter, do we feel that adequate with the momentous nature of the occasion... do WE want to collectively contribute more to economy of the industry as a personal supporter.....

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post Jan 5 2011, 05:03 PM

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Soccerkids still there at TV3.. maybe this season has ended..

BTW,, my purpose of creating this thread not just to create awareness.. i want to create the idea that if you work hard for your country to bring success, we will not only back them up morally.. but also financially...

i want parents to train their child to be a footballer beacuse not only its a noble career, but also a rewarding career if you work hard enough..

it doest mean without the money they wont do it, just that it feel nice to be and felt rewarded if they do. We also had had that moment in our working live now dont we...

any other suggestion how to make proffesional fotball as an attractive and rewarding carreer? or we just left it to the G to settle it for us as usual?

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post Jan 5 2011, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Jan 5 2011, 10:53 AM)
fair enough, secara tak langsung memang tabung ni akan meningkatkan awareness terhadap team bolasepak kebangsaan kepada rakyat2.

tapi aku tak akan derma duit aku ke tabung ini sebab aku rasa ada lebih banyak pihak yang lebih memerlukan derma aku, dan pasukan kebangsaan telah diberi reward yang cukup banyak dah oleh pihak2 lain. we don't want another case of Hafiz Hashim now do we?
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only Hafiz Hashim's coach can elaborate why Hafiz's performance drop after the All england... the are probaply multiple reason why it happened... i am sure its not because lack of want of trying.... its not fair to use his example alone to dismissed us from rewarding our performing sportsman..
the reward is not only for him.. but a warning to all aspiring junior sportsman that they also will be rewarded as much if they work hard to achieve greatness....

money is the fuel that keeps the world running... it is bollocks to think that sports industry is different than that...


Added on January 5, 2011, 6:02 pm
QUOTE(BoltonMan @ Jan 5 2011, 05:35 PM)
footballer in malaysia no matter how bad also will have free meal at least ...

compare those footballer in vietnam or laos ...
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wow... on the field you compare us with Japan and Korea...

but of the field you compare us with Laos and Vietnam... rclxms.gif

Laotian and Vietnamese will give whatever they can to reward their players... so will us....

there are also footballers on our side who cannot sleep thinking how they gonna feed their family.... now what we gonna do about it?

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post Jan 5 2011, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 5 2011, 11:09 PM)
ganjaran should come from FA right ... why us ... ? it is not like they are doing fund raising for charity
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they win it for US. Not the FA. Its the Malaysia batch that they kissed so passionately. the dont love the FA thaatt much. beleive me.

THIS IS NOT A CHARITY. Its a show of gratitute and appreciation. What better way to actually show it? changing your profile pic in FB?
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post Jan 5 2011, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 5 2011, 11:29 PM)
yea maybe but you must not forget that they are doing it for themselves as well. imho, the proper way to show gratitude is actually turning up to watch the league games and national games. dont just show up during semis or finals or important matches
as a tax payer ... i believe i already did my part in helping them ... serzly ...
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And we should not celebrate and feel gratitude for their achievement just because they also doing it for themselves?

Turning up for league games and national games is a good spirit... but thats for other occasion.. we are celebrating the momentous inaugural malaysian south east asia champions here.... out of population of 593 million people covering 5,000,000 km2, these are the best 22 people at football in this region.. its an achievement thats worth a reward on its own...

just consider it a RM 10 you would pay for normal league match tickets, without the hasssle of tol, parking and gasoline cost...


FAM is an Non-Govermental-Organization. Your tax money is not the bulk of their budget.

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post Jan 5 2011, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(modben @ Jan 5 2011, 11:37 PM)
dont think of yourself as a taxpayer for once. instead try being a human being. they gave you something and its nice of you to just give something back. its not like when your child (if you have 1) passes his/her examinations and you dont give them anything to celebrate that achievement cause you have already payed for tax and that translate to you giving them an education. smile.gif

rm5 also not that much what, but if everyone gives rm5 it will pill up as well. lets all change and instead of thinking what others can do for us, why not if all of us think what we can do for others. then there wont be anyone who is sidelined and the world would be a much better place
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yeah. i dont get it also.

To celebrates this occasion, they rather donate RM 199 to Nike in exchange of a shirt made of recycled bottles instead of raising RM 10 to the players who actually won it.. rclxub.gif


Added on January 6, 2011, 12:03 am
QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 5 2011, 11:55 PM)
honestly speaking, i was rarely rewarded for scoring good grades simply because im doing it for my own sake =P

if we want to donate, we should donate to something that will help MY football as a whole because it will be more beneficial in the long run.

also it is not a matter of RM5 or not. i frequently donate to charities and beggars if i ever come across any.
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Showing private initiatives likes this also beneficial in the long run as the financial and moral support transpires by it will give encouragement fot current and future players that their effort is appreciated...

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post Jan 6 2011, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 6 2011, 12:05 AM)
i didnt say that we should not be thankful. i was merely reminding you that it is of their own personal gain to perform well as well. it is not like they are doing a MotherTeresa kind of thing =P
urm ... more jerseys sold = more $ for FAM ... if FAM no $ ... you think they can develop as a player w/o those facilities or trainings? i dont see anything wrong with it at all.
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The Aku Janji should be a part of the 'personal gain'. IMO, all the poeple of malaysia who shouted at the GBK's final whistle owe it to them...


I dont say buying jersey is wrong. Its comparison between the jersey price and the amount you should contribute that is wrong.. RM 199 = Nike Jersey..OK!!! .. RM 10 = reward player...NOOOO!!..

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post Jan 6 2011, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Jan 6 2011, 12:27 AM)
showing gratitude is alright, no question about that. my point is, this tabung thing should not even exist in the 1st place. the govt/FA should have something in place already just like the RM1million per gold medal (which i think is an overkill lol) . it shouldnt be up to us citizens to create all these tabungs.

also, can anybody confirm that all they got was the prize money? im kinda skeptical that the govt didnt even give 1 cent  whistling.gif
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IMO, one of the triggering points of local football revolution is the start of 'not depending everything on the administrator/organizer/goverment and them blame them ' mentality..

TSAM's KAFA started the ball rolling with his aggresive re-branding and pro-active marketing strategy... the red warrior's fan then follows through with fan initiated organized supporting culture... some young boys are tired with waiting until the team qualified to the second round of the world cup to support the team, so they formed 'Ultras Malaya' to give visible and audible support to the national team for every match inconsiderate to the result on the pitch... win, lose, or draw, the players knew that they can count on the Ultra's support...

this Aku Janji fund is Sportwriter's public initiative to show public support to the team. i thinks it is very beautiful as support from the public will be more meaningful to the players then support from the goverment...

we should not only support this fund to support the players... we should also support this fund to encourage more private initative to come out and be pro-active in supporting our local team.. this wait and see then point the fingers to the governemnt attitude must end now..

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post Jan 6 2011, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jan 6 2011, 09:37 AM)
I agree with your points except the bold one. This is not the public role. This role belongs to the G and FAM.
It's like when you score straight As in STPM, you expect your parent to reward you. This is perfectly normal. But surely you don't expect the whole neighborhood to reward you as well, do you?
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to the contrary, the public are the actual customer and paymaster of the football industry... not the government... government and FAM's money should be used to develope and organize instead...

who should reward the victors mainly depend on who the victory represents.... have you heard the old days when one of of the kampung boys get admitted to the University in the city, the whole kampung will gotong-royong to hold a 'kenduri kesyukuran'.. they even collect money for his transportation and start-up..to them, the boy represent the whole kampung and its future... thats the goodwill and sacrificing spirit thats getting eroded from today's society...

for me... the 'Malaysia' in Malaysian national team does not represent "Malaysia- the government'. It represent 'Malaysia- the people'...they actually representing you... not some other people's child in your neighborhood.....they are your prodigol son doing their best to pass the exam to get your approval..... dont you think they deserve a break?



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post Jan 6 2011, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(BoltonMan @ Jan 6 2011, 02:08 PM)
then malaysian should 'donate' to those that won the gold medal in the recent asia game ...
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'donate' is not the right word.. 'reward' is the better word... and yes.. it would be sweet as well for all the athletes that won the gold medal in the recent asia games to receive 'reward' from the people...

i already promoted the Suzuki Cup fundraising because the Suzuki Cup win touch me more.. why dont you promote the Asia Games fund-raising for the sport of your choice....

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post Jan 6 2011, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jan 6 2011, 02:19 PM)
Paymaster in terms of commercial, yes. Deserve a break? Yes. But not like this kind of donation! This is not the right way. Donate money just because they won something? This is not the culture I want to see.


Added on January 6, 2011, 2:20 pm
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what so negative about donate money when they won something? if its helps them, why not?

florence people use to left bread and bottle of milk outside Gabriel Batistuta home every morning as a sign of gratitude...

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post Jan 7 2011, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jan 6 2011, 02:58 PM)
they think it is not their business. They just use it as excuse to counter argument.
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they can make do with that when supporting foreign teams because them foreign teams are, literally, not their business. Local football industry cannot survive without local people making it their business to 'reachingly' support the local teams. We don't have millions of foreign cash cows to support us financially now do we...

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