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Kampung2005
post Dec 31 2010, 08:11 PM

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Is it wrong to speak in Cantonese? biggrin.gif
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post Dec 31 2010, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(darkddly @ Dec 31 2010, 08:11 PM)
cuz all chinese is banana, they no can speak man- da- rin
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Thing is, Cantonese is older than Mandarin.

How can it be banana?
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post Dec 31 2010, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(propertysense @ Dec 31 2010, 08:16 PM)
mandarin is language
the rest like hokkien,cantonese consider as dialect .
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Problem is, Hokkien and Cantonese are older than Mandarin.

Mandarin has more "evolved" tone than Cantonese or Hokkien.
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post Dec 31 2010, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Juggerballz @ Dec 31 2010, 08:20 PM)
oi leng zai, yat gor wan tan min, sai, tapao
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post Dec 31 2010, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(DuFfz @ Dec 31 2010, 08:22 PM)
How do u know?
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Here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yue_Chinese

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Relation to Classical Chinese

Since the pronunciation of all modern varieties of Chinese are different from Old Chinese or Middle Chinese, characters that once rhymed in poetry may no longer do so today. Some linguists agree to some extent that Cantonese is closer to classical Chinese in its pronunciation and some grammar.[8] Many poems that don't rhyme in Mandarin, do so in Cantonese.[8] Cantonese retains a flavour of archaic and ancient Chinese and this has been used to study ancient Chinese culture.[8]


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post Dec 31 2010, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(xDarkKnightx @ Dec 31 2010, 08:27 PM)
Eh.. Wikipedia has everything. From cake recipe>elements. We should ban it. IMBA source of info.
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Exact explanation.

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=166674

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Yes but what people say is that Cantonese is a more conservative language, it preserves more of the phonology of Classical Chinese (I don't know about the grammar) than Mandarin does.

For example, Cantonese preserves the original 4 Classical Chinese tones, even splitting Classical Chinese Tones 1, 2, 3 into two tones each (Yin and Yang), and Tone 4 into 3 tones. Mandarin lost Tone 4 but split Tone 1, so that it still has 4 tones in total. So some of the tones of Classical Chinese won't match up in Mandarin while they will in Cantonese.

Mandarin, unlike most southern Chinese languages, lost the final consonants in Classical Chinese. (Reminds me of how French lost the final syllable off most Latin words while other Romance languages keep them to some degree). So there are many more homophones in Mandarin that would really diverge from the original pronunciation of the poem. Also, Mandarin, like French, has palatized many initial consonants, g --> j, k --> chi, s --> sh, and simplified others (ng, m --> w), plus Mandarin does the Basque/Castilian initial f --> h shift, again changing the sound relative to Classical Chinese.

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post Dec 31 2010, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(DuFfz @ Dec 31 2010, 08:27 PM)
oh...wikipedia....
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Refer to the link.

Basically, Cantonese preserves some of the classical Chinese aspect, as well as having more tones than Mandarin.
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post Dec 31 2010, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(DuFfz @ Dec 31 2010, 08:31 PM)
cantonese is spoken more in HK compare with mainland china?
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Of course.

Cantonese is mostly spoken in HK, Macau, certain parts of Guangdong and certain parts of Guangxi.

Remember, HK was under British rule until 1997 (from 18xx to 1997), meaning changes in China do not apply to HK. Even now, it is a SAR of China.


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post Dec 31 2010, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(ubsacc2004 @ Dec 31 2010, 08:34 PM)
if not mistaken ipohans also speak well in cantonese.
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Most Kinta Valley residents speak Cantonese, you can see that in Kampar as well.

Penang = Hokkien

Sandakan = Cantonese/Hakka

Of course, more youngsters speak Mandarin these days.
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post Jan 1 2011, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(ubsacc2004 @ Dec 31 2010, 11:55 PM)
hm how abt sdk sabah ? sdk ppls cantonese can be understand by ipoh ppls too.
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We call it "hor fun", not "kuay teow" as in KL.

"Kuay teow" is not Cantonese.
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post Jan 1 2011, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(ubsacc2004 @ Jan 1 2011, 12:07 AM)
sdk ppls called tai fan. hehe. kuay teow from hokkien ?
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Tai fun or hor fun in Sandakan are widely understood.

"粿條" (Kuay teow) is based from Min Nan variety, which of course Hokkien is part of this.
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post Nov 28 2012, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Jeli0320 @ Nov 28 2012, 02:40 PM)
Im from Ipoh and dont know how to speak Cantonese  unsure.gif speak mandarin only
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