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SUSeuthanasia
post Dec 30 2010, 07:19 PM, updated 15y ago

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Here are the official FIFA rankings. What suprised me most is Egypt, fulamak No. 9, in front of italy n france wei. Didnt realise egypt is that good.
Sorry i dunno how to post pictures. Can someone show me where i can learn how to post images?

From 1 to 50:
Fifa Ranking

And Malaysia as of 15 December is at:
Team Malaysia

Facts:
Highest FIFA ranking
75 - August 1993. . shocking.gif
Lowest FIFA Ranking
170 - April 2008.
Best Mover
21 - April 1996
Worst mover
-23 - October 1995
Team Malaysia facts

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post Dec 30 2010, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(euthanasia @ Dec 30 2010, 07:19 PM)
Here are the official FIFA rankings. What suprised me most is Egypt, fulamak No. 9, in front of italy n france wei. Didnt realise egypt is that good. 
Sorry i dunno how to post pictures. Can someone show me where i can learn how to post images?

From 1 to 50:
Fifa Ranking

And Malaysia as of 15 December is at:
Team Malaysia

Facts:
Highest FIFA ranking
75 - August 1993. . shocking.gif
Lowest FIFA Ranking
170 - April 2008.
Best Mover
21 - April 1996
Worst mover
-23 - October 1995
Team Malaysia facts
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Egypt is a back-to-back African Cups champion. Nearly beaten Brazil 4-3 and defeated Italy 1-0 in the Confederations Cup.
France in Italy were no surprises...they always choke after World Cup finals 2006. Both got trashed by Netherlands in Euro 2008
and both also went home early & ended up bottom of their respective group in World Cup 2010.

btw the image code like below

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as for FIFA website u gotta screenshot/caps 1st, edit in paint, re-upload back using pictr.com @ imgur @ etc² @ lowyat server(thumbnail)

like this

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[IMG]http://i.pictr.com/putu25pfio.jpg[/IMG]


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SUSeuthanasia
post Dec 30 2010, 09:39 PM

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Whoa..aight thanks so much!!!
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post Dec 30 2010, 11:04 PM

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What did England achieve to merit 6th place in the rankings? biased
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post Dec 30 2010, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(triple02 @ Dec 30 2010, 11:04 PM)
What did England achieve to merit 6th place in the rankings? biased
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post Dec 30 2010, 11:30 PM

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wow! GABON is 39th??
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post Dec 30 2010, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(triple02 @ Dec 30 2010, 11:04 PM)
What did England achieve to merit 6th place in the rankings? biased
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Added on December 30, 2010, 11:45 pm
QUOTE(euthanasia @ Dec 30 2010, 07:19 PM)
Here are the official FIFA rankings. What suprised me most is Egypt, fulamak No. 9, in front of italy n france wei. Didnt realise egypt is that good. 
Sorry i dunno how to post pictures. Can someone show me where i can learn how to post images?

From 1 to 50:
Fifa Ranking

And Malaysia as of 15 December is at:
Team Malaysia

Facts:
Highest FIFA ranking
75 - August 1993. . shocking.gif
Lowest FIFA Ranking
170 - April 2008.
Best Mover
21 - April 1996
Worst mover
-23 - October 1995
Team Malaysia facts
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Malaysia during the 90s is not bad at all.

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post Dec 30 2010, 11:49 PM

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makes u wonder when u see a country like Burkina Faso can go to top 50 doh.gif
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post Dec 31 2010, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Dec 30 2010, 11:49 PM)
makes u wonder when u see a country like Burkina Faso can go to top 50 doh.gif
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they drew 0-0 with Drogba's Ivory Coast and only lost 0-1 to finalist Ghana in this year's African Cup of Nation. They also finished third place in FIFA U-17 World Cup Final (2001), which would be ripe for senior team right about now.. their position now is their best ever....

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post Dec 31 2010, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Dec 30 2010, 08:19 PM)
Egypt is a back-to-back African Cups champion. Nearly beaten Brazil 4-3 and defeated Italy 1-0 in the Confederations Cup.
France in Italy were no surprises...they always choke after World Cup finals 2006. Both got trashed by Netherlands in Euro 2008
and both also went home early & ended up bottom of their respective group in World Cup 2010.

btw the image code like below

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[IMG]http://<picture url>[/IMG]


as for FIFA website u gotta screenshot/caps 1st, edit in paint, re-upload back using pictr.com @ imgur @ etc² @ lowyat server(thumbnail)

like this

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[IMG]http://i.pictr.com/putu25pfio.jpg[/IMG]


results;
user posted image
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Wow Egypt at 9th unbelieveable much better than Italy at 14th. shocking.gif

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post Dec 31 2010, 01:41 PM

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haha i m expecting egypt 2 play world cup 2014 this time around...they dy conquer africa twice...so they should b capable 2 play world cup dy n i will take note egypt next s the new dark horse 4 brazil world cup round haha
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post Dec 31 2010, 02:49 PM

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i trust ELO rating more than this FIFA ranking
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post Jan 3 2011, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Jan 3 2011, 02:16 PM)
Malaysia need to qualify to Asia cup to improve the ranking
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the confederations finals and the world cups are where the points haul are....
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post Jan 3 2011, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Jan 3 2011, 02:39 PM)
Nope actually what i know is any official international games will have points counted.
This is why England are top 10 because they fared quite well in WC qualifications.
If Malaysia qualified sure more points to be gain.
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all class A matches brings points... but different competitive matches have different weight... the best points are of coz at the World Cup matches.. followed by continental finals and then their qualifyings...

regional competition like the AFF Cup only counts as a friendly.... even though we are champions, Indonesia get more ranking points as they have more wins than us.... the better the opponent you beat at a friendly, the more points you get.

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post Jan 4 2011, 01:19 PM

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FIFA's ranking system has always been questionable. I don't care where they got their points because England are definitely not the 6th best team in the world. They are vastly overrated and the media has to take some blame for constantly building them up. I can understand why Italy and France are where they are. Neither had really impressive World Cup qualifying campaigns. France only sealed their place after Henry's double handball against Ireland. Both teams were also pathetic in the tournament proper. Even New Zealand had a better campaign and that puts things in perspective.

Malaysia has climbed 6 places but I really think that we should be on top of countries like St. Vincent and Grenadines (who have a population of only 125,000 which is less than the population of Taiping. Also their Premier League was formed in 2009), Rwanda (once ravaged with civil war and genocide), and Dominica was boast no professional league and has the population of Jerantut (72,000). In contrast we have ample facilities, a professional league and more funding. We really need to start getting our act together. If the Harimau Muda's win is anything to go by, maybe and just maybe there is a dim, faint light at the end of the tunnel.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 4 2011, 01:19 PM)
FIFA's ranking system has always been questionable. I don't care where they got their points because England are definitely not the 6th best team in the world. They are vastly overrated and the media has to take some blame for constantly building them up. I can understand why Italy and France are where they are. Neither had really impressive World Cup qualifying campaigns. France only sealed their place after Henry's double handball against Ireland. Both teams were also pathetic in the tournament proper. Even New Zealand had a better campaign and that puts things in perspective.

Malaysia has climbed 6 places but I really think that we should be on top of countries like St. Vincent and Grenadines (who have a population of only 125,000 which is less than the population of Taiping. Also their Premier League was formed in 2009), Rwanda (once ravaged with civil war and genocide), and Dominica was boast no professional league and has the population of Jerantut (72,000). In contrast we have ample facilities, a professional league and more funding. We really need to start getting our act together. If the Harimau Muda's win is anything to go by, maybe and just maybe there is a dim, faint light at the end of the tunnel.
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same here. For example how can teams like Norway & Croatia are ahead of Serbia. They not even qualify in recent World Cup..while Serbia top of their group
dat includes France pretty comfortably...and also beating the red-hot team of the tournament Germany during the group stage... And yeap why the heck England
at no.6. Don't tell me bcoz of the Foreign Premier League influence towards UEFA & FIFA.

Japan did well during qualification and final tournament. Losing only 1-0 and they could've drawn with Holland, beating both Cameroon & Denmark and nearly
beaten Paraguay. And recently they just beat Argentina 1-0 who just happen to trash World Champ Spain 4-1.
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 4 2011, 09:15 PM)
england haters gonna hating....
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whatever it is, i'm sure they will flop in every major tournament they participate. mark my words
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post Jan 4 2011, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(kuaLe_AGX @ Jan 4 2011, 09:11 PM)
same here. For example how can teams like Norway & Croatia are ahead of Serbia. They not even qualify in recent World Cup..while Serbia top of their group
dat includes France pretty comfortably...and also beating the red-hot team of the tournament Germany during the group stage... And yeap why the heck England
at no.6. Don't tell me bcoz of the Foreign Premier League influence towards UEFA & FIFA.

Japan did well during qualification and final tournament. Losing only 1-0 and they could've drawn with Holland, beating both Cameroon & Denmark and nearly
beaten Paraguay. And recently they just beat Argentina 1-0 who just happen to trash World Champ Spain 4-1.
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the ranking points are not based on current form only... its based on increasing average of 4 years... and points are based on matches result.. not the title...

and any sort of 'influence' cannot change the mathematics of the ranking..

i am satisfied with the formula that they use to calculate the points. But i dont agree that when you lose you get 0 points. Surely when Indonesia lose 0-7 againsy Uruguay in the friendly, the should get more point in that match then Mongolia who have no matches at all...

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post Jan 4 2011, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 4 2011, 01:19 PM)
FIFA's ranking system has always been questionable. I don't care where they got their points because England are definitely not the 6th best team in the world. They are vastly overrated and the media has to take some blame for constantly building them up. I can understand why Italy and France are where they are. Neither had really impressive World Cup qualifying campaigns. France only sealed their place after Henry's double handball against Ireland. Both teams were also pathetic in the tournament proper. Even New Zealand had a better campaign and that puts things in perspective.

Malaysia has climbed 6 places but I really think that we should be on top of countries like St. Vincent and Grenadines (who have a population of only 125,000 which is less than the population of Taiping. Also their Premier League was formed in 2009), Rwanda (once ravaged with civil war and genocide), and Dominica was boast no professional league and has the population of Jerantut (72,000). In contrast we have ample facilities, a professional league and more funding. We really need to start getting our act together. If the Harimau Muda's win is anything to go by, maybe and just maybe there is a dim, faint light at the end of the tunnel.
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dont judge the physical ability of a nation in sports and world ranking based on politics, wealth and population of the country. Some group of people just born into that sport...

you better off compare countries based on geograhic loaction instead... countries further away from the equator should be able to play better than countries nearer to the equator... hmm.gif


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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 4 2011, 09:15 PM)
england haters gonna hating....
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It doesn't take an England hater to spot the fallacy in this points system. Anyone gifted with the ability to rationalise will agree that England are in no way, the 6th best team in the world at the moment. For the sake of argument, I'm not an England hater. I don't support any International team and am impartial. I just think that for a team who has achieved next to nothing in the last few decades, a 6th place ranking is highly flattering. It may be true that they had a good qualifying campaign during the last World Cup but they weren't exactly in a tough group.


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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Jan 4 2011, 09:33 PM)
dont judge the physical ability of a nation in sports and world ranking based on politics, wealth and population of the country. Some group of people just born into that sport...

you better off compare countries based on geograhic loaction instead... countries further away from the equator should be able to play better than countries nearer to the equator... hmm.gif
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I don't see why not. It's 'kebarangkalian' isn't it? The bigger your population, the bigger your pool of talent especially since kids in our country have almost all kicked a football at some point in their lives. It's like the first law in sales. The more prospects you have, the higher your chance of closing.

"Born into the sport"? I agree to an extent. Kids in Brazil grow up in poverty, and therefore play barefeet in the sand. Over years of evolution, kids there are born with natural talent? I don't subscribe to this but I do believe that one can evolve physically or genetically. You can generally have more stamina, be physically bigger or stronger depending on where you are born and what your diet is. Our kids play football throughout their childhood lives and football is considered to be our no. 1 sport. Isn't is safe to say therefore that we are "born into football" ourselves?

Politics? I for one believe that it's harder to set up a proper football organisation in a country that is politically unstable. Lets take Iraq as an example:-

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/23/ga...power-struggle/

Wealth? Well the more money you have, the more you can invest into infrastructure. I think it's pretty clear cut.

Do all these factors ultimately determine your place in the football world? Perhaps not but having money, having a larger talent pool and living in stability does give you a huge advantage.

Maybe you can tell me why you think I can't judge a countries success on these factors? I must admit we do have our challenges. I mean logic would dictate that we should be the economic powerhouse of SEA with all the resources we have but even a small nation like Singapore with zero resources are years ahead of us.

Oh and the dig about geographical location, that's your example, not mine. I cited demographics as a factor smile.gif

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So what ranking do England haters think England should be in hmm?
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So what ranking do England haters think England should be in hmm?
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So reaching last 16 of the world cup merits a 20 something ranking?

So England is worse than Norway, Greece, Egypt etc.?

So France and Italy did better than England in recent times?
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jan 5 2011, 10:58 AM)
So reaching last 16 of the world cup merits a 20 something ranking?

So England is worse than Norway, Greece, Egypt etc.?

So France and Italy did better than England in recent times?
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I generally don't answer questions with questions so I'll not state what position I think England should be in.

I think FIFAs points system is dodgy and maybe you don't, hence this debate will have no end.

Of the examples you cited, Egypt are African champions. That's worth something.

You are obviously an England fan for whatever reason so perhaps you can cite why you think they deserve such a high ranking? Their impressive 2010 World Cup qualifying campaign?

I for one thought they had a largely disappointing World Cup despite reaching the last 16. They were unimpressive in their matches against Algeria, the US and Slovenia. They didn't even show up against Germany. However, points only take the end result into consideration.
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at the end of the day, it's all about winning title that matters, not ranking
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jan 5 2011, 10:49 AM)
So what ranking do England haters think England should be in hmm?
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Jan 5 2011, 10:58 AM)
So reaching last 16 of the world cup merits a 20 something ranking?

So England is worse than Norway, Greece, Egypt etc.?

So France and Italy did better than England in recent times?
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Egypt was a back-to-back African champs, Greece was Euro champs couple of years ago.. Norway i also doubt,
as i stated at my post b4. England? They play pretty well in Euro 2008 whistling.gif . So i think they shud stay between Italy
& France in the ranking

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Egypt was a back-to-back African champs, Greece was Euro champs couple of years ago.. Norway i also doubt,
as i stated at my post b4. England? They play pretty well in Euro 2008  whistling.gif . So i think they shud stay between Italy
& France in the ranking
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fifa ranking are based on 4 year decreasing average (the points gain from matches in the recent 12 months will count higher than the next 12 months and so on until the fourth 12 months). So its safe to say Greece's EURO 2004 exploit no longer counts in the ranking...

England's result in World Cup qualifying and Rank A friendlies are a revolution under Cappello BTW...


Added on January 5, 2011, 11:37 pmBelow is the list of England's rank A matches for the last 4 years. Now who do you think should be above England that we can compare ?
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QUOTE(AKace @ Jan 5 2011, 11:23 AM)
at the end of the day, it's all about winning title that matters, not ranking
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FIFA world cup and FIFA world rankings are 2 different competetion wit different method and objective.. people often gets mixed up on that..

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