QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 19 2011, 06:20 PM)
I just retracted my post and I found this:
I was mainly comparing our local market with the Indonesian's. But rest assured that they are currently gaining momentum. It will be just be in a matter of time before they catch up and surpass us.
QUOTE(Isaac)
I've browsed through one of Philippine's top pet forums a few weeks back and I'm amazed by where they are now when it comes to leopard geckos, they have quite a number of big players and the morphs that they're producing are much similar to the US.
And their prices are really affordable, a bell het radar adult female only costs about RM800+, I bet I can't even find something like that available around here at the moment
I am pretty sure that the your quote is true to a certain extend. But this does not apply to all. From my observation, the morphs are priced pretty much low for the lower and intermediate end. But you rarely see some higher end animals for sale in the Pinoy pet finder.
Also, while browsing, I managed to find this:
http://philippinepetfinder.com/forum/viewt...p?f=38&t=162475As you can see, PHP6,000 is equivalent to RM412.50. I saw the going rate for a better good quality sunglow in Malaysia to be priced lower than that (somewhere around the range of RM300 mark). I used to sell them even lower in the past (during price war which did not benefited the loser nor the winner). By the way, almost all of their sunglow bloodline do not look like a pure 100% TUG. I think the gene had been crossed out.
And as a breeder, which one of the options below you would prefer more?
1. You buy them cheap and by the time you produce, your offsprings will be dirt cheaper that it won't feel worth while to even sell them; or
2. The price do not drop much and still look as if it's about the same so that you can still make a decent profit
Last, could you list down some of the big breeders mentioned? I am still in the dark whenever the Pinoy reptile market is concerned. This is because some of them have been emailing me asking this and that regarding import and export procedures and my animals...but the amount concerned were usually too low (barely hit USD1000, let alone my minimum export amount) that I decided to ignore them. The Indonesians however is VERY different though.
I'm not too sure about how the other countries are like bro, and I used Philippines as an example seeing that the hobbyists there are having breeding projects like DBs, Raptor combos and all the Bell/Radar combos and considering the depth of the discussion they are carrying so I considered them to be big players, if I may
And regarding pricing what I believe is that different countries/regions have different pricing of the same type of morph largely due to the supply factor. In the US what I can observe is that a juvi/subadult supersnow only costs about $75-100+ and so are raptors. Yet for a good looking sunglow or even a SHTCT they can fetch on average $100-200+? I think Sykes was also selling 1 nice hot sunglow for $500 that local breeders here can already produce that kind of quality but not fetch that kind of money perhaps due to the saturated supply/demand for the particular morph etc.
I was browsing through the same forum as you bro and this pair looked particularly cheap to me, though the quality is not that fantastic.
http://philippinepetfinder.com/forum/viewt...9194797f6723318MSTE and Tremper enigma both het raptor for less than RM600, to be able to sell at that prices without them being bought off immediately implied two things to me. Either their market for leopards are not that big, or that they're already reaching a higher level.
Just an insight here, I may be wrong but what I can definitely say is that supply over there is more abundant if compared to the situation here
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And as a breeder, which one of the options below you would prefer more?
1. You buy them cheap and by the time you produce, your offsprings will be dirt cheaper that it won't feel worth while to even sell them; or
2. The price do not drop much and still look as if it's about the same so that you can still make a decent profit
A true breeder should always go #2 no doubt, but as far as pricing goes I believe that the prices will continue to decline but hopefully not too drastically within this 1-2 years especially for basic morphs. Like you once told me, hypo tangs here are getting more available than hi yellows. And likewise I believe morphs like Enigma, Mack Snow and Tremper albinos in its basic form will follow the same path.