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post Dec 29 2010, 11:00 PM, updated 8y ago

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Welcome to LYN Leopard Gecko - Version 5

LEOPARD GECKO
Leopard Geckos are getting more popular as pets these days. Being very hardy creatures and easy to care for, they surprisingly comes in many colorations and designs known as "Morph". The below photo explains the general information about Leopard Geckos.

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Caresheet
All you need:
1. 10 Gallon Tank
2. Dish Bowl
3. Water Bowl
4. Calcium + Multi Vitamin Dish Bowl
5. Hide Box (For them to hide)
6. Moist Box (Filled with damped peat moss)

Example of a perfect setup
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*Photo courtesy from www.thegeckoshop.com

Diet
Mealworms can be provided constantly in the dish bowl (Superworms too but only for adult geckos). Crickets can be hand fed 2-3 days interval with their hopper hind legs plucked off. Their meals can be dusted with calcium and multi vitamins if preferred. Recommended to gut load their staple diet first with oats, bird feed or carrots.

Lighting and Temperature
Room temperature is the most ideal. Leopard Geckos DO NOT NEED a heating lamp neither a heat rock. Our everyday climate in Malaysia is just good for them.

Handling and Temperament
Leopard Geckos are easy to handle, most of them would just lay on the palm of your hands when u hold them, a small bunch of them will wiggle for an escape. But given time, most of the Leopard Geckos will get use to our way of handling. Listening from the many experience and adventure of Leopard Gecko owners, these amazing lizards has been giving us an endless share of fun watching them grow into their personalities

MORPH & GENETICS
Here is the unique part about Leopard Geckos. They comes in a variety of morphs (meaning coloration, patterns, designs and sizes). How the morphs are determined are based from the genetics that was used to make it. Their possibilities of differences are endless in pattern, design and coloration.

Note: Technical terms you should know.
Phenotype - This means "Visual" or "Outlook"
Genotype - This mean "Genetics". The genetics composition of the specimen.
Homozygous - Fully formed and visually visible on specimen.
Heterozygous - Carries the Genetic (Blood Type) but not visible on the specimen.

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*Photo courtesy from www.thegeckoshop.com - Image as of a Homozygous Tremper Albino.
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RECESSIVE
1. Albino [Tremper, Bell, Rainwater (aka. Las Vegas)]
2. Blizzard
3. Murphy's Patternless
4. Eclipse
5. RAPTOR

Example of Recessive characteristics in reproduction. (Here we use Tremper Albino as an example)
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CO - DOMINANT
1. Mack Snow
2. Giant

Example of Co-Dominant characteristics in reproduction. (Here we use Mack Snow as an example)
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POLYGENIC
1. Super Hypo Tangerine Carrot Tail (aka. SHTCT)
2. Tangerine
3. Hot Gecko
4. Extreme Tangerine
5. The Urban Gecko Snow (aka. TUG Snow)
6. Tangerine Tornado
7. Torrid Tangerine
8. Fire Water Tangerine
9. Blood Hypo Tangerine
10. Jungle Pattern
11. Red Stripe

Example of Polygenic characteristics in reproduction. (Here we use SHTCT as an example)
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SPECIAL NOTES
- You can never house more than one adult male gecko in the same enclosure, but up to ten females may be kept together, depending on the size of the enclosure. Males are very aggressive and will fight each other to the death.
- A male will vibrate its tail rapidly when it sees another gecko; if the other gecko vibrates its tail in the same fashion, each of them knows contact has been made with another male and they will fight. If, however, a male signals his presence via tail shaking and the other gecko does not respond in like fashion, the male knows that the gecko near him is a female.
- Geckos generally pick one corner of an enclosure to use as a bathroom, which makes it easier to keep clean.
- Geckos in general are thought to bring good luck to the household in which they reside.

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You could always visit here --- >Leopard Gecko Wiki to know more about Leopard Geckos and their many morphs.

And if you would love to purchase a leopard gecko... you could get from the few breeders around.

Here is the link for our local breeder:
[B]TGS Website

TEG Website

Other forumer breeders around that might have some geckos for sale:
IliekIZ
Bika
AshJ
Ben99
william5799
edwardkhong
eddie88
No_Body
reptiler
Azazel
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You could also drop in and ask any of us for information and we will be more than happy to guide you through becoming well informed about Leopard Geckos.

The morphs and possibilities are endless...do join us to know more about this wonderful amazing specimen for a pet.....Cheers*

Have a nice day

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Previous Version links:
Leopard Gecko Version 1
Leopard Gecko Version 2
Leopard Gecko Version 3
Leopard Gecko Version 4

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thumbup.gif Version 5 thumbup.gif

What for la put my name on top of the breeder list sweat.gif you and Azazel should be ranking first rather..
Anyway, a new version deserves new pictures of some of my female breeders that I haven't shown much on the forums, first and the last time on this version tongue.gif

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Still love my hi yellow the most wub.gif
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post Dec 29 2010, 11:51 PM

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post Dec 30 2010, 12:05 AM

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Nice healthy girls you have Isaac. Keep em photos coming! Nothing's better than sharing photos.

Here are some of mind.

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post Dec 30 2010, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Dec 30 2010, 12:05 AM)
Nice healthy girls you have Isaac. Keep em photos coming! Nothing's better than sharing photos.

Here are some of mind.

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very nice sunglow...hopefully can get 1 later..pokai edi now..haha
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post Dec 30 2010, 02:59 AM

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WOO VERSION 5! wink.gif congrats
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Blood sunglow picture. LOL PINKY HAIR!
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Wow V5...today i upload all the pics...Gt mur geckos nw..i tink maybe today wan go pick up 2 mur..lol.rite azazel?

guys no time to take nice pics so,took the pics of geckos i buy from TGS web.as they are the same gecko's i bought hope u guys dun mind.

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Carrot Head Jungle Tangerine Carrot Tail Tremper Albino Het R.A.P.T.O.R.(Female)

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RAPTOR.(Male)

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Enigma het RAPTOR.(Female)

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Eclipse Het Tremper albino.(Male)

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Giant Tangerine Tremper Albino Het RAPTOR

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RAPTOR.(Female),,,sorry for low quality pic,taken with phone.

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Sh!t I had a nightmare about leopard gecko this morning cry.gif Damn scary .. I saw freaking lots of gecko in my house and I have to go pick them up one by one and put them in a container =.=
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wow,tats a good dream man.u get lot of geckos for free.wats so scary anyway?
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post Dec 30 2010, 10:29 AM

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wow fast! Congrate V5!
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congrats on V5!! XD Happy new V n year!!
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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Dec 29 2010, 11:41 PM)
thumbup.gif  Version 5  thumbup.gif

What for la put my name on top of the breeder list  sweat.gif you and Azazel should be ranking first rather..
Anyway, a new version deserves new pictures of some of my female breeders that I haven't shown much on the forums, first and the last time on this version  tongue.gif

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Still love my hi yellow the most  wub.gif
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My hi yellow!
Congrate on the new thread, kurtis gatal rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 30 2010, 12:55 PM)
My hi yellow!
Congrate on the new thread, kurtis gatal  rclxms.gif
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No, it's your poss SNOW.

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QUOTE(Qeeshen @ Dec 30 2010, 08:47 AM)
Blood sunglow picture. LOL PINKY HAIR!
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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Dec 30 2010, 10:24 AM)
wow,tats a good dream man.u get lot of geckos for free.wats so scary anyway?
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Its scary when you have more than a thousand of them invading your house =.= sini tangkap sana lari doh.gif doh.gif
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Some Sunglows to share smile.gif

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Thanks for sharing!
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post Dec 30 2010, 08:32 PM

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Dreamsickle x Snow Raptor =

25% Nova
50% Dreamsickle
25% Super Nova

Hmmm ....
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LOL can sampai or not
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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Dec 30 2010, 12:55 PM)
My hi yellow!
Congrate on the new thread, kurtis gatal  rclxms.gif
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Mine now! Muahahahaha gravid and ready to go laugh.gif


QUOTE(echosmiles @ Dec 30 2010, 08:32 PM)
Dreamsickle x Snow Raptor =

25% Nova
50% Dreamsickle
25% Super Nova

Hmmm ....
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Super pro la Kurt your dreamsickle outcome 100% hit enigma gene, notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Dec 30 2010, 10:02 PM)
Dreamsickle x Snow Raptor =

25% Nova
50% Dreamsickle
25% Super Nova

Hmmm ....
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Tornado x Typhoon = 25% Cyclone
25% Hurricane
25% Sandstorm
25% Whirlwind
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I luv ur snow fasio...ummh,I need to recruit more female leos,any wan selling?? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(BIKA @ Dec 30 2010, 10:32 PM)
Tornado x Typhoon = 25% Cyclone
                                  25% Hurricane
                                  25% Sandstorm
                                  25% Whirlwind
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I luv ur snow fasio...ummh,I need to recruit more female leos,any wan selling?? whistling.gif
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I need to recruit more male leos, anyone selling?? whistling.gif

Hahahaha how's production going so far BIKA?
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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Dec 30 2010, 08:32 PM)
Dreamsickle x Snow Raptor =

25% Nova
50% Dreamsickle
25% Super Nova

Hmmm ....
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The question in my head now is ....where is the Super Raptor posibility in this combination ???

Anyway...just got back from Futsal and yumcha session with Eeshen. (Eeshen <--- Good Footballer!!! notworthy.gif )

Found this little guy out from her (TSF) shell....
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I think she will grow up to be something hot like her Dad....
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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Dec 31 2010, 02:11 AM)
The question in my head now is ....where is the Super Raptor posibility in this combination ???

Anyway...just got back from Futsal and yumcha session with Eeshen. (Eeshen <--- Good Footballer!!!  notworthy.gif  )

Found this little guy out from her (TSF) shell....
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LOL I stoner lah just now. Pro keeper thumbup.gif
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post Dec 31 2010, 02:32 AM

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This one hatched 3 days back and already so darn hot...wonder how this guy will be when the hypo takes place.
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Wonder how your place never gets robbed. LOL
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QUOTE(Qeeshen @ Dec 31 2010, 02:36 AM)
Wonder how your place never gets robbed. LOL
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-hypo mack snow. blink.gif

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Meet miss Reflection!

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Hence the name LOL

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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Dec 31 2010, 12:24 AM)
I need to recruit more male leos, anyone selling?? whistling.gif

Hahahaha how's production going so far BIKA?
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Need 1 more female to feed my horny male lol,as for production..all still pending

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The question in my head now is ....where is the Super Raptor posibility in this combination ???

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Are u serious Kurt,like what issaac mention,where are those non enigma version from that paring?,but very good pairing,it cover all powerhouse result. thumbup.gif
Lovely babies..i wan some too.. cry.gif cry.gif
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Got me new year surprise early today before I left home. Will post photo when I'm back home. Happy New Year Guys.

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Guess the SIM Incubator does really works. Lol..... Might need more of it ~

My New Year surprise...
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Happy 2011 all, as more and more fellow hobbyists become bigger and better breeders, just want to share a lil about my experience in ensuring females lay eggs comfortably and speedily.

Instead of using see through plastic boxes, try something like ice cream boxes (in my case) to make your females feel safer and more prepared to lay since they love dark places. Likewise you can also house them in somewhere darker or just throw a piece of cloth around your tank, I move my gravid females to my storeroom and I can find them digging almost instantly.

Just my RM0.02 input to answer some of the PMs and msges asking about egg laying. Cheers all and more babies this coming year! icon_rolleyes.gif
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HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!


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V5... Congratz...
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Happy new year everyone blush.gif
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Some old photos to support this new thread? XD

Sunglow
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SHTCT
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Hi-Yellow
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Adult Male SHTCTB from Eddie =D
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post Jan 2 2011, 11:26 AM

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Very nice photos Harry ~ Love that Sunglow. Very Hot. rclxms.gif
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Thanks! =D but the sunglow now is still not eating~ only consumed 1 small cricket's drumstick. lolx
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I found something under my female albino belly..look like oat to me..or egg follicle.she just lay egg 1 weeks ago..
Can anyone here tell what is that..thanks




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I found something under my female albino belly..look like oat to me..or egg follicle.she just lay egg 1 weeks ago..
Can anyone here tell what is that..thanks
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Urine crystals....its the white thing that comes together with the shit.

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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Jan 2 2011, 05:02 PM)
Urine crystals....its the white thing that comes together with the shit.
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I olready upload the pics in my 1st post in 1st page...
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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Dec 30 2010, 09:59 AM)
Wow V5...today i upload all the pics...Gt mur geckos nw..i tink maybe today wan go pick up 2 mur..lol.rite azazel?

guys no time to take nice pics so,took the pics of geckos i buy from TGS web.as they are the same gecko's i bought hope u guys dun mind.

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Carrot Head Jungle Tangerine Carrot Tail Tremper Albino Het R.A.P.T.O.R.(Female)

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RAPTOR.(Male)

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Enigma het RAPTOR.(Female)

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Eclipse Het Tremper albino.(Male)

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Giant Tangerine Tremper Albino Het RAPTOR

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RAPTOR.(Female),,,sorry for low quality pic,taken with phone.
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haha.tanks bro.
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I olready upload the pics in my 1st post in 1st page...
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Good selection u have there from the Devil's lair.....all the best in your breeding bro. Anything feel free to ask around here ya. rclxms.gif

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thanks bro...
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i finally gave up searching for mealworms n nw buying them in big bulk storing...if any one of u need meal worm in smal or medium quantity let me knw...
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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Jan 4 2011, 08:47 PM)
i finally gave up searching for mealworms n nw buying them in big bulk  storing...if any one of u need meal worm in smal or medium quantity let me knw...
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While storing them allows you to properly gutload them for your geckos, do note that they can turn into pupae in the matter of 1-2 weeks.. unsure.gif
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really i tot i cn store them for near a month?
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Woah... Big Bulk sounds a lot... In 1 or 2 week, they will turn brown and soon become ''The Beetles''...?
I suggest you breed them since you hardly find them in your area though... Just a little more work then roaches...

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QUOTE(withoutending @ Dec 30 2010, 12:16 AM)
very nice sunglow...hopefully can get 1 later..pokai edi now..haha
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Kurt..sunglow tu buat mata aku berdarah. demm.


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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Dec 31 2010, 02:32 AM)
This one hatched 3 days back and already so darn hot...wonder how this guy will be when the hypo takes place.
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This one will Kaching Kaching into your wallet. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(fida5659 @ Jan 5 2011, 11:47 AM)
Kurt..sunglow tu buat mata aku berdarah. demm.


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This one will Kaching Kaching into your wallet.  rclxms.gif
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Hi V5
My Black and White tockay. biggrin.gif


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My Black and White tockay.  biggrin.gif
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anyone knows hw many morph are there to date?
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Wanted to sell this girl when she was 25g. So glad i didn't... look at her now wub.gif

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hi all...
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after lay egg, normal how long she will take to lay egg again??
so confuse because i put i pair i tank, in this case is shtct and murphy patty
she already lay 2 egg on 12-15 dec and last nite she lay 2 more, is't normal? notworthy.gif
1st laying 2 egg but one already crack and stick to moist box
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QUOTE(katannaz @ Jan 6 2011, 02:10 PM)
hi all...
want to ask something  icon_question.gif
after lay egg, normal how long she will take to lay egg again??
so confuse because i put i pair i tank, in this case is shtct and murphy patty
she already lay 2 egg on 12-15 dec and last nite she lay 2 more, is't normal?  notworthy.gif
1st laying 2 egg but one already crack and stick to moist box
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2nd laying 2 egg and both in good shape
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The loving couple  biggrin.gif
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Actually if a leo lay 2 times egg, the 2nd clutch are usually means satan is coming.. So can give it to me tongue.gif

Leopard gecko lay a few clutch of egg each season. So its normal don't worry bro. Start expecting more egg in the few weeks time.

Congrate!
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Actually if a leo lay 2 times egg, the 2nd clutch are usually means satan is coming.. So can give it to me  tongue.gif

Leopard gecko lay a few clutch of egg each season. So its normal don't worry bro. Start expecting more egg in the few weeks time.

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thanks a lot ya,hehehehe, really new in leo's world
btw what satan means...... sweat.gif

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thanks a lot ya,hehehehe, really new in leo's world
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Devil?
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Devil?
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thanks a lot ya,hehehehe, really new in leo's world
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Satan = Davil
Setan = Devil
lol..Congrats,more more eggs to come..btw ur murphy patternless is the female?looks a lil bit petit.

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QUOTE(katannaz @ Jan 6 2011, 02:10 PM)
hi all...
want to ask something  icon_question.gif
after lay egg, normal how long she will take to lay egg again??
so confuse because i put i pair i tank, in this case is shtct and murphy patty
she already lay 2 egg on 12-15 dec and last nite she lay 2 more, is't normal?  notworthy.gif
1st laying 2 egg but one already crack and stick to moist box
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2nd laying 2 egg and both in good shape
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The loving couple  biggrin.gif
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Hi bro, once they start their season they can lay around 12 times thereabout, if not mistaken every 2-3 weeks they'll lay one clutch.
Anyway congratz on the eggs and do incubate them well smile.gif

Also, try to pump up the patty as it looks a bit on the thin side from the picture, is it the father or mother?
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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Jan 6 2011, 02:59 PM)
Hi bro, once they start their season they can lay around 12 times thereabout, if not mistaken every 2-3 weeks they'll lay one clutch.
Anyway congratz on the eggs and do incubate them well smile.gif

Also, try to pump up the patty as it looks a bit on the thin side from the picture, is it the father or mother?
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thanks a lot.. the patty is mother
ok, already provide cal+d3 and multi vit in they tank
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dun give cal+D3...it wil toxicate ur leo...
give Calcium withOUT D3...
just my 2 cent.
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dun give cal+D3...it wil toxicate ur leo...
give Calcium withOUT D3...
just my 2 cent.
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Calcium + D3 works bro. Without D3 the gecko can't digest the food they eat. Just try not to use liquid form Calcium + D3...powder form is alright wink.gif
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but i tot they get all the D3 they need from their food?
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but i tot they get all the D3 they need from their food?
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http://www.pamelaegan.com/articles/vitamin-d3-sources.htm
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QUOTE(katannaz @ Jan 6 2011, 04:36 PM)
thanks a lot.. the patty is mother
ok, already provide cal+d3 and multi vit in they tank
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Try to make sure the female is also eating bro, normally I don't house my males and females together unless for mating to make sure that I can monitor their feeding smile.gif


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but i tot they get all the D3 they need from their food?
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k afta reading alot.i conclude,give D3 at a minimum,it says u cant put cal+D3 in ur animals cage...wait i post a few link...

1.(Don't use a calcium supplement with D3 added as too much D3 can be toxic.) Leopard Geckos get plenty of D3 from the crickets and mealworms they eat.
from:http://www.reptilecare.com/leopardbreed.htm

2.Also dust the crickets every other feeding during breeding season (don't use a calcium supplement with D3 added as too much D3 can be toxic).
From:http://animaniacs.co.za/leopard-geckos-a-178.html?tPath=120


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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Jan 7 2011, 12:25 AM)
k afta reading alot.i conclude,give D3 at a minimum,it says u cant put cal+D3 in ur animals cage...wait i post a few link...

1.(Don't use a calcium supplement with D3 added as too much D3 can be toxic.) Leopard Geckos get plenty of D3 from the crickets and mealworms they eat.
from:http://www.reptilecare.com/leopardbreed.htm

2.Also dust the crickets every other feeding during breeding season (don't use a calcium supplement with D3 added as too much D3 can be toxic).
From:http://animaniacs.co.za/leopard-geckos-a-178.html?tPath=120
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Yeah bro too much D3 can really make your gecko sick. I have geckos that has been living for nearly 5 years now consuming powder form calcium+D3 without problems. Buy respected and trust-able brands of reptile supplements to safe guard the health of your geckos. Don't go make your own D3 supplements or even try to shave any squid bones or crush egg shell for calcium. LOL. Just stay away from liquid form calcium+d3. I've use them before and i've witness changes in feces from dry to watery to even greenish. I guess the liquid ones are really toxic. Powder form is ok because our geckos knows how much to consume as when needed. That is why always place these supplement in a bowl separately and only dust staple food accordingly not always.

Anyway....here are some explanations that I found.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...20172137AAOZMGY

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wat bot vits? cn mix with cal powder in the same dish n give?
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wat bot vits? cn mix with cal powder in the same dish n give?
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Your short form typing is nothing short of impressive bro. Anyway for vitamins I don't think its necessary to place inside the enclosure, if you're worried about D3 overdose you should be even more worried about this. Just the occasional dusting will do.

Just wanna show u guys a funny pic of my shtct baby born in 1.1.2011.
Had I not nudged the egg I bet it would be chilling there til 1.1.2012 biggrin.gif
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ya..i was woried bout overdosing with D3 n the vits...so i tink jz give cal n wen i give cricket dust them with the vits.moreover i gutload my mealworms with carrot to the max.hehe.
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waaa, so many info you all throw in, thanks a lot, very good info i got
for now i monitor the patty eating well and i'm using cal + d3 powder type and for vitamin i just throw my cricket in the vitamin bottle then giv to them
anyway, thanks a lot for all info, i assume i can giv D3 and Vit but in small quantity. smile.gif


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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Jan 7 2011, 02:04 PM)
Just wanna show u guys a funny pic of my shtct baby born in 1.1.2011.
Had I not nudged the egg I bet it would be chilling there til 1.1.2012  biggrin.gif
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wow, can wait to see this happen to my leo egg drool.gif

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QUOTE(katannaz @ Jan 7 2011, 04:09 PM)
waaa, so many info you all throw in, thanks a lot, very good info i got
for now i monitor the patty eating well and i'm using cal + d3 powder type and for vitamin i just throw my cricket in the vitamin bottle then giv to them
anyway, thanks a lot for all info, i assume i can giv D3 and Vit but in small quantity. smile.gif


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wow, can wait to see this happen to my leo egg  drool.gif
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+1...this is no doubt the happiest moments of keeping leopard geckos. BTW Isaac...kudos to you...your babies are flowing strong. LOL Pro breeder d. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(katannaz @ Jan 7 2011, 05:09 PM)
waaa, so many info you all throw in, thanks a lot, very good info i got
for now i monitor the patty eating well and i'm using cal + d3 powder type and for vitamin i just throw my cricket in the vitamin bottle then giv to them
anyway, thanks a lot for all info, i assume i can giv D3 and Vit but in small quantity. smile.gif


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wow, can wait to see this happen to my leo egg  drool.gif
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Congrats Isaac smile.gif
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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Jan 8 2011, 02:46 AM)
+1...this is no doubt the happiest moments of keeping leopard geckos. BTW Isaac...kudos to you...your babies are flowing strong. LOL Pro breeder d.  rclxms.gif
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+2.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif isaac pro breeder like kurt,one way ticket d ,no u turn d..lol
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+2.. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif isaac pro breeder like kurt,one way ticket d ,no u turn d..lol
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Bika... i think you should be recognize as the real pro breeder... your collection is getting more more more. LOL

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Hey Guys, I got some problem here...

The Situation of the problem is like that, My Sunglow Didn't eat for a month++, so Today I got some cricket for it and it show very interest on it and It Strike on that too, Okay, heres the problem, It bite the cricket, but after a moment, it didn't swallow it but Let it go, Continuously this action for a lot of time...May I noe whats the problem?? I really worried about it because it is losing weight...from 60g to 50g dy..
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QUOTE(Harry93 @ Jan 9 2011, 04:45 PM)
Hey Guys, I got some problem here...

The Situation of the problem is like that, My Sunglow Didn't eat for a month++, so Today I got some cricket for it and it show very interest on it and It Strike on that too, Okay, heres the problem, It bite the cricket, but after a moment, it didn't swallow it but Let it go, Continuously this action for a lot of time...May I noe whats the problem?? I really worried about it because it is losing weight...from 60g to 50g dy..
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Did you pull off the cricket's hind legs? Maybe you should. Some leos dont like that hopper legs.
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What make them dun like it? when it struggle it use the leg kick them? @@
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What make them dun like it? when it struggle it use the leg kick them? @@
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Ya sometimes is best to weaken then superworm or crickets before feeding to weak geckos.
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http://www.vmsherp.com/LCLeopardNames.htm

i find this page a rather interesting and awesome page.. check it out if u want to learn more on morph.. =)
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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 10 2011, 12:23 AM)
http://www.vmsherp.com/LCLeopardNames.htm

i find this page a rather interesting and awesome page.. check it out if u want to learn more on morph.. =)
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+1 rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Jan 4 2011, 08:47 PM)
i finally gave up searching for mealworms n nw buying them in big bulk  storing...if any one of u need meal worm in smal or medium quantity let me knw...
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Congrats on V.5

Bro Arwin,

I'd suggest u chill the mealworms in the fridge so they'll go into hibernation mode. Will definetly last u longer. Don't worry, they'll still be alive when u need to use them~ biggrin.gif

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How do u guys actually make the incubator? or do u guys ever do any incubator?

can egg-bound problem be treated??
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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Jan 9 2011, 12:20 PM)
Bika... i think you should be recognize as the real pro breeder... your collection is getting more more more. LOL
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Hey,thanks for ur compliments bro,this yr more breeding projects and the more u learn the more leos u want.. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Harry93 @ Jan 9 2011, 06:15 PM)
Hey Guys, I got some problem here...

The Situation of the problem is like that, My Sunglow Didn't eat for a month++, so Today I got some cricket for it and it show very interest on it and It Strike on that too, Okay, heres the problem, It bite the cricket, but after a moment, it didn't swallow it but Let it go, Continuously this action for a lot of time...May I noe whats the problem?? I really worried about it because it is losing weight...from 60g to 50g dy..
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I would like to know too,one of my new female only start taking food about a month later.Well i think some leo adults may take longer time to adapt to new enviroment.Imho,just try all sorts feeders,i dun think they will starve themself to death if they are healthy unless they are infected by parasite.


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How do u guys actually make the incubator? or do u guys ever do any incubator?

can egg-bound problem be treated??
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I would like to know too,. hmm.gif
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http://www.paulsagereptiles.com/LeopardGenetics.htm

this is a simpler and easier guide on morphs.. enjoy.. =)
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Pictures of my RAPTOR laying her 3rd clutch.

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QUOTE(Wesley Tan @ Jan 11 2011, 07:52 PM)
Pictures of my RAPTOR laying her 3rd clutch.

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i hope i can see mine lay egg..congratz bro..

btw,yesterday my LG lay only 1 egg..i tot suppose to give 2 eggs..is it normal?


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Pictures of my RAPTOR laying her 3rd clutch.

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i hope i can see mine lay egg..congratz bro..

btw,yesterday my LG lay only 1 egg..i tot suppose to give 2 eggs..is it normal?

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QUOTE(withoutending @ Jan 11 2011, 08:22 PM)
i hope i can see mine lay egg..congratz bro..

btw,yesterday my LG lay only 1 egg..i tot suppose to give 2 eggs..is it normal?


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i hope i can see mine lay egg..congratz bro..

btw,yesterday my LG lay only 1 egg..i tot suppose to give 2 eggs..is it normal?
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It is normal.Usually new mothers will lay 1 egg for the 1st clutch but there are also some new mothers will lay 2 eggs for the 1st clutch.

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Wesley pro !
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Wesley pro !
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How do u guys actually make the incubator? or do u guys ever do any incubator?

can egg-bound problem be treated??
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no answer for this?? hmm.gif
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Congratz again Wesley, nice video you took lol and good looking eggs there.

QUOTE(withoutending @ Jan 11 2011, 08:22 PM)
i hope i can see mine lay egg..congratz bro..

btw,yesterday my LG lay only 1 egg..i tot suppose to give 2 eggs..is it normal?
Perfectly normal bro, especially after laying 2 good eggs sometimes they only are able to produce 1 egg. I have 1 female thats going 2-1-2-1 so hopefully next round 2 biggrin.gif

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How do u guys actually make the incubator? or do u guys ever do any incubator?

can egg-bound problem be treated??
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I won't touch on egg binding issues since the question has been raised a few times in the forums and I have no experience in that so far,
as for incubators, I know of people who modify fridges to do that but its really costly.

Most keepers from the West have to incubate their eggs because their temperature fluctuates due to seasonal changes as far as I can tell. Locally we just keep them in styrofoam coolers to avoid serious temp fluctuation.
My incubator to incubate babies at TSF is seriously VERY SIMPLE wink.gif will post a pic when I take out my camera.


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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Jan 11 2011, 10:22 PM)
I won't touch on egg binding issues since the question has been raised a few times in the forums and I have no experience in that so far,
as for incubators, I know of people who modify fridges to do that but its really costly.

Most keepers from the West have to incubate their eggs because their temperature fluctuates due to seasonal changes as far as I can tell. Locally we just keep them in styrofoam coolers to avoid serious temp fluctuation.
My incubator to incubate babies at TSF is seriously VERY SIMPLE  wink.gif will post a pic when I take out my camera.
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Thanks alot on that info.. =) Waiting patiently for your pics.. rclxm9.gif

Anyone mind sharing their way of incubating LG's eggs?? tongue.gif
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i also using the Styrofoam box and temperature monitor from exoterra to incubate the eggs. By the way, i got a blinded leo baby. It cannot feed itself and have trouble in shedding period. What should i do.

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QUOTE(fida5659 @ Jan 12 2011, 01:03 AM)
i also using the Styrofoam box and temperature monitor from exoterra to incubate the eggs. By the way, i got a blinded leo baby. It cannot feed itself and have trouble in shedding period. What should i do.
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My first hatchling had the same problem. The best thing to do is still to cull it, its sad but there's not much of a choice.
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thanx iliekiz n wesley..its realy a new mother..hopefully 2nd clutch will be 2 eggs rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 11 2011, 10:34 PM)
Thanks alot on that info.. =) Waiting patiently for your pics..   rclxm9.gif

Anyone mind sharing their way of incubating LG's eggs??  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Wesley Tan @ Jan 12 2011, 01:54 PM)
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Mine is like this, all I do is just take off the lid, then attach the open surface to the back of my fridge. icon_idea.gif
Took me a long time to figure out how to incubate my eggs at female temperatures [79-82'F] and just thought I'd share it with you guys since you asked.

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Now disclaimer --> Fridge models are different and some of yours may not have a cooler back or even a smooth surface to let u incubate like how I did so don't come around firing me if what I'm doing does not work out for you.

Temperature ranges from 78-82 on my side, depending on how hard I mist it. smile.gif

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This must be the most innovative idea EVER! Kudos! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 12 2011, 02:41 PM)
This must be the most innovative idea EVER! Kudos! rclxms.gif
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Can't believe this is your first post in v5 bro whistling.gif
Desperation leads to innovation I guess, not everyone has a place with cool temperatures like yours wink.gif

I was contemplating hooking a thermostat to a mini fridge and using it as an incubator but I can't find someone with the means, so heck care la this method works fine so far hahaha
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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Jan 12 2011, 01:25 AM)
My first hatchling had the same problem. The best thing to do is still to cull it, its sad but there's not much of a choice.
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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Jan 12 2011, 04:19 PM)
Can't believe this is your first post in v5 bro  whistling.gif
Desperation leads to innovation I guess, not everyone has a place with cool temperatures like yours  wink.gif

I was contemplating hooking a thermostat to a mini fridge and using it as an incubator but I can't find someone with the means, so heck care la this method works fine so far hahaha
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Good innovation lah bro but my frigde cant work like ur.my fridge's back release heat type..only good for incubate male nia.

If u r a wine collector or ur family member,there is a wine chiller in the market that has 2 section with different temp adjustment.Upper section for white wine which need cooler temp and bottom section is for red wine which temp i think is suitable for incubation.Can chill the white wine,red wine and eggs incubation all in the same time.
1 stone 3 birds.too bad i dun drink. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(BIKA @ Jan 12 2011, 04:01 PM)
Good innovation lah bro but my frigde cant work like ur.my fridge's back release heat type..only good for incubate male nia.

If u r a wine collector or ur family member,there is a wine chiller in the market that has 2 section with different temp adjustment.Upper section for white wine which need cooler temp and bottom section is for red wine which temp i think is suitable for incubation.Can chill the white wine,red wine and eggs incubation all in the same time.
1 stone 3 birds.too bad i dun drink. biggrin.gif
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Yeah I understand that I had an old fridge that is like that too. Regarding wine chillers as incubator, my dad actually suggested to me but the price is really not feasible. Unless maybe I have dozens of eggs, then maybe can collect wine and eggs? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Wesley Tan @ Jan 11 2011, 07:52 PM)
Pictures of my RAPTOR laying her 3rd clutch.

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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Jan 12 2011, 05:34 PM)
Yeah I understand that I had an old fridge that is like that too. Regarding wine chillers as incubator, my dad actually suggested to me but the price is really not feasible. Unless maybe I have dozens of eggs, then maybe can collect wine and eggs?  sweat.gif
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Ur dad drink wine?wine chiller range from RM 700++ to Rm 5000++ also depend on brand.if not,just get normal incubator and i think is cheaper but ur
method is absolutely free. biggrin.gif
Now still waiting for eggs.will try out my new method to incubate for female n c how the result.
CNY coming sure damn hot wan..nanti get all male pulak.. doh.gif

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Hi guys,

Sad to say, but I'll be leaving the leos family. Got some cheap sales for my Sunglow + SHTCT pair.


http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...&t=1714488&st=0


Another friend also giving up too. Please help support him for his Sunglow + Mack Snow pair.


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1714499

Thank you all for your help and advice in the past!!
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nice way to incubate the eggs.. =) looks like gotta survey the areas around my house for suitable temperature.. i wonder if my store room is just nice??

any idea on the pics??


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what do u guys think??

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Selamat pagi semua.
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i guess January is the laying egg season.. =P
mine also have laid a clutch yesterday
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Good day guys,
Happy laying season to all.. rclxms.gif

I like this bold stripe bandit from designer geckos..so cantik. biggrin.gif
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boldstripe!!!
i love them...
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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Jan 13 2011, 04:48 PM)
boldstripe!!!
i love them...
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Apsal semua nak main stripe ni?! Kacau tul la...LMFAO!


Added on January 13, 2011, 5:40 pmJust a question, how do you see the market this year (2011)? Good?

Last year (2010) was the best for me so far. Sales was better but profit in terms of percentage was lower than 2009. It seems that the bigger I grow, the more costs start to come into the picture. Thank God TGS monthly cash flow was always at the positive side. I have identify the "black holes" that were sucking up the funds. One of them was due to rodents to feed my snakes. Buying rodents (no matter how cheap they are) is costly. Apart from that, my current room is getting too small for anymore expansion, leaving me with less room for holdbacks and new animals. By rough estimation, my current setup is able to hold up to 400 breeders. Unfortunately, it is very time consuming due to the stacking system I am currently employing. If an estimation of 400 animals take me more than a total of 48 hours to maintain in a week, try and imagine 4000.

And I have more animals in 2010 compared to 2009. Due to that, I managed to produce more and gain more. What I can gather from my stats, the more I animals I have, the more money I make. Sadly, it will also tax my time and energy more. I need a more efficient system (aka racks) to speed up the process so that I can get more animals into the facility. I guess it's now or never.

p.s. I hate the toyogo racks I got. smile.gif


Added on January 13, 2011, 6:18 pmI made this thread almost two years ago:

Professionally Confused

I meant each and every word. And I am still here now smile.gif

p.s. My geckos went from 6 heads to 11 heads to 19 heads to 39 heads to...I don't really know the exact amount now. LOL!

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wt i got from ur status is stil same as i told u tat day ...U are damn good at makin money...lolz!!!
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WTA ..my male bite the female last week at the tail and small part of skin peeled off..and so i clean it with clean water and today i checked..it bleed and dry already..somehow it looks like its infecting...any solutions to this?
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use coton buds n wipe with iodine? DONT do 1st,let the sifus check wat i said corect or nt.
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hey guys, my friend's gecko got tears on the eye ball, how do i settle that problem?
para-para expert here, please guide me....TT
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I think I'm ready for my first leo.

Want to BUY

Any offer will be appreciated smile.gif
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QUOTE(dimpleeee @ Jan 15 2011, 01:16 AM)
WTA ..my male bite the female last week at the tail and small part of skin peeled off..and so i clean it with clean water and today i checked..it bleed and dry already..somehow it looks like its infecting...any solutions to this?
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last time i wipe w iodine...after shed,ok edi...
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last time i wipe w iodine...after shed,ok edi...
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RACUN !
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I need some help..thats egg or ovulate?she already mate when she ovulate but untill now not gravid..Already one months..


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Why does a leopard gecko closes their eyes when they are exposed to light? even the slightest light? does that mean that they have albino strain in them? my gecko is a sunglow.. which is weird..

and why does geckos have dents on their heads?
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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Jan 16 2011, 04:07 AM)
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Wonder can we get a LG morph with that kind of color one find day ... drool.gif
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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 16 2011, 09:16 PM)
Why does a leopard gecko closes their eyes when they are exposed to light? even the slightest light? does that mean that they have albino strain in them? my gecko is a sunglow.. which is weird..

and why does geckos have dents on their heads?
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From http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com

A Sunglow is a SHTCT Albino. They come in all three albino strains. With all of the different geckos available, most Hybinos are referred to as Sunglows too.
When they hatch, Sunglows tend to have lighter body bands than normal albino Leopard Geckos. The body bands will fade over time like a SHTCT hatchling's bands would.


Dent in their heads ? Like this? blink.gif

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QUOTE(echosmiles @ Jan 17 2011, 12:08 AM)
From http://www.leopardgeckowiki.com

A Sunglow is a SHTCT Albino. They come in all three albino strains. With all of the different geckos available, most Hybinos are referred to as Sunglows too.
When they hatch, Sunglows tend to have lighter body bands than normal albino Leopard Geckos. The body bands will fade over time like a SHTCT hatchling's bands would.


Dent in their heads ? Like this?  blink.gif
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dents as in between the eyes n the ears.. i find it weird.. because i think isaac have one with a dent only on one side.. but mine is on both sides..


Added on January 17, 2011, 1:50 amI've been to ikano's pet store, and it really breaks the heart of any pet lover especially if u know the illness.. i saw a leopard gecko with crypto and another with severe MBD.. i will post up those pics soon.. Its so sad to know that they are actually waiting for "the day" to come..

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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 17 2011, 01:36 AM)
Thanks alot on the info..

dents as in between the eyes n the ears.. i find it weird.. because i think isaac have one with a dent only on one side.. but mine is on both sides..


Added on January 17, 2011, 1:50 amI've been to ikano's pet store, and it really breaks the heart of any pet lover especially if u know the illness.. i saw a leopard gecko with crypto and another with severe MBD.. i will post up those pics soon.. Its so sad to know that they are actually waiting for "the day" to come..
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Interesting question lol, while you're at it you can also ask about over/underbites, tail kinks etc because I have no clue why it happens sad.gif

And talking about Ikano it is really pathetic and I know how you feel.. thin, weak, dying, lifeless, not fed well, not housed well, no proper supplements. Not only I pity the geckos, I pity the potential buyers who'll pay mega premium price to get crappy animals.
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QUOTE(IliekIZ @ Jan 17 2011, 02:02 AM)
Interesting question lol, while you're at it you can also ask about over/underbites, tail kinks etc because I have no clue why it happens  sad.gif

And talking about Ikano it is really pathetic and I know how you feel.. thin, weak, dying, lifeless, not fed well, not housed well, no proper supplements. Not only I pity the geckos, I pity the potential buyers who'll pay mega premium price to get crappy animals.
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check out the link.. u can see the photos.. this was the 1st time i saw leopard geckos with MBD and crypto.. so if there is anyone that wanna know how crypto and MBD gecko looks like, u can check out IKANO PET SAFARI!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=485...4117&aid=264590 vmad.gif shakehead.gif mad.gif
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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 17 2011, 02:16 AM)
check out the link.. u can see the photos.. this was the 1st time i saw leopard geckos with MBD and crypto.. so if there is anyone that wanna know how crypto and MBD gecko looks like, u can check out IKANO PET SAFARI!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=485...4117&aid=264590 vmad.gif  shakehead.gif  mad.gif
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omgggg.. doh.gif look s**Ks..pity them
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I been there too... Saw them... Saw Ben99 too...
But those Tokay, Leos, and some more, are very pity...
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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 17 2011, 02:16 AM)
check out the link.. u can see the photos.. this was the 1st time i saw leopard geckos with MBD and crypto.. so if there is anyone that wanna know how crypto and MBD gecko looks like, u can check out IKANO PET SAFARI!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=485...4117&aid=264590 vmad.gif  shakehead.gif  mad.gif
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woooooo cry.gif
why soooo skiny like that, they dont give anything to eat or what....
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They do put in crickets, which I saw, but insufficient and skinny crickets and some are dead...
Also, no good supplement like calcium and vits... I have thought of requesting for it with a real low price too, but there written, it cost about RM380 if I remember correctly...

Sorry zeonczk, if I stole some of your sentence... >.<''
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so sad la, selling those leo in bad condition, RM380 somemore sad.gif

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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 17 2011, 02:16 AM)
check out the link.. u can see the photos.. this was the 1st time i saw leopard geckos with MBD and crypto.. so if there is anyone that wanna know how crypto and MBD gecko looks like, u can check out IKANO PET SAFARI!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=485...4117&aid=264590 vmad.gif  shakehead.gif  mad.gif
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You can inform them to remove it, if not, it will spread to others gecko available there.
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You can inform them to remove it, if not, it will spread to others gecko available there.
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They do put in crickets, which I saw, but insufficient and skinny crickets and some are dead...
Also, no good supplement like calcium and vits... I have thought of requesting for it with a real low price too, but there written, it cost about RM380 if I remember correctly...

Sorry zeonczk, if I stole some of your sentence... >.<''
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no prob.. hahaha.. we are just stating what we see.. and i doubt they will remove it even if we say anything..
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QUOTE(zeonczk @ Jan 17 2011, 02:16 AM)
check out the link.. u can see the photos.. this was the 1st time i saw leopard geckos with MBD and crypto.. so if there is anyone that wanna know how crypto and MBD gecko looks like, u can check out IKANO PET SAFARI!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=485...4117&aid=264590 vmad.gif  shakehead.gif  mad.gif
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Feel pity to those geckos ... sad.gif ... What a waste ...

Now a day you can find a lot of those "kind" of geckos in the petshop ... especially Tokay ... sad.gif
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QUOTE(Steve Hammack; 04-16-2008)

The Reality of the Leopard Gecko Market
I just wanted to drop in here and post a few items about the Leo market that have been bothering me lately. But first, let me give you some background on where I am coming from.

I originally started HISS many years ago when I did not even know Kelli and I was very heavy into snakes. Back then there was no such thing as the internet, kingsnake.com and such. Snakes were sold the old-fashioned way, via a printed and mailed pricelist of projected offspring. At the peak of my game I had a mailing list of over 6000 names in the US and about 1000 names overseas. It cost me a bundle just to mail out the annual pricelist. I would then accept deposits prior to hatching and then fill the orders on a first-come-first-served basis. I did pretty well for myself and usually sold out. At one point I had over 400 snakes, from Burmese to sand boas to pituophis, etc. I did this nearly full time on top of my full time regular job as a reptile keeper at a zoo.

One year I decided to see how much I was actually making and tallied up the hours I spent on the animals and guess what, I was making less than $2 an hour working my buns off. I did it because I like it and because it greatly supplemented my zoo income.

One of my best investments back then were leopard geckos. One year I invested $10,000 in 0.7 patternless leos. This was the first big year they were available and they were already adults. Jay Vella and Mark Bell were the ones marketing these animals and they were only going to let 4.0 go that year, but guess what? They wanted $3500 for a male! I did not have that kind of cash, but with my 7 females I was able to get several het males of my own produced and up to breeding size in 6-7 months. The next year I made $15,000 on patternless leos and the year after that I made another $13,000. So, in a 3 year period from a $10,000 investment I made $28,000.

Sounds good doesn't it. Well, I had to produce a lot of them to make this money. By the next year after I bought the original females, males were selling for $1500 and females for under $1000. The year after that they had come down to around $500 each. Did I call Mark Bell or Jay Vella and complain about the price drop. NO! That is the gamble you take when you invest in a high turn around animal.

Here is another story. Kelli and I got suckered into the ball python craze a day late and a dollar short. We were coerced into getting a male Mojave Ball python for $10,000. We were told they were visual hets of blue eyed lucys, which they were. Well the male went off feed so I missed the next years breeding. On the second year he was feeding much better, got some good size on him and actually locked up with 7 large normal females. Since I had witnessed these breedings, we decided to sell the male. We could only get $3750 for him. What a hit that was! And, to top it off, not a single one of the females laid any eggs; none at all!

So what I am saying is that everyone needs to sit back, relax and enjoy their leos. Yes there have been some issues with the Enigmas and yes the price is going to drop and quick with any kind of dominant/codominant gene. Look at the ball python market now. So why am I even bringing this up? Well, Kelli has been getting a lot of grief from people about her geckos lately and has been getting blamed for a lot of the enigma issue and price problems. It is not her fault! She knows better than anyone what she is doing and what the value of a leopard gecko is. There are a lot of enigmas out there now and the price is going to come down. In fact, some of you that have given her grief lately are now dropping your prices on your ads! So, lets let everyone sell their animals for what they feel they are worth.

Another story that is directly related to the enigmas is that Mark Bell asked Kelli to help name and market them. Once they were out there we found out about others that had been sold in Europe and others that he had been selling at shows. Then we find out that he is selling some at shows for less than what he wants us to sell them for. Well, that is his right. He produced them and he can sell them for whatever he wants to. Did it make us happy? NO. Was there anything we could do about it? NO. Be prepared folks. He is going to have a lot of enigmas for sale this year at the shows that he attends and he is going to sell them for what he thinks he can get for them.

So lets say that you invested $4000 in a pair of red eyed Bell enigmas last year. This year you produce 20 babies and end up selling them for only $1000. Guess what, you just made a quick profit of $16,000 in one year! Can you go do that on the stock market? NO. Ok, lets say that they only sell for $500 the next year. Guess what, you still made an $8000 profit from your original $4000 investment.

So, the moral to the story is that anyone can sell their leos for whatever they want to. It is up to the buying public to decide what they are really worth. There is a lot more that I would like to say but I think that I have been long winded enough for now.
And here's the answer to many of you who have been asking "How much should I be pricing my geckos?"

QUOTE(Kelli Hammack)
The reality is that myself, or anyone else can sell their geckos at whatever price they wish to. The market value of an animal is what someone will pay for it.


Enjoy!

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Added on January 18, 2011, 5:46 pmJust like how SHTCT and Sunglows had done for Lawrence, Aptors and Raptors had done the same for me for the last few seasons. 2009 I barely made holdbacks. 2010 I was totally sold out! I am not sure what 2011 will hold for me because I lack Raptors now (but not Raptor combos wink.gif).

Just in case you guys are wondering who Is Jay Vella and Mark Bell, these two started from leos and then moved on to boids. Jay is now into retics as mainstream while Mark is now into balls as mainstreams. There are many other examples that started with leos and then moved on into other things much more expensive. For example is TUG. As for others, well you can always research about them yourself. You don't expect me to spoonfeed you all the way to Heaven, do you? wink.gif


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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 18 2011, 05:32 PM)
I think this is a very good read.
Enjoy!

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Added on January 18, 2011, 5:46 pmJust like how SHTCT and Sunglows had done for Lawrence, Aptors and Raptors had done the same for me for the last few seasons. 2009 I barely made holdbacks. 2010 I was totally sold out! I am not sure what 2011 will hold for me because I lack Raptors now (but not Raptor combos wink.gif).

Just in case you guys are wondering who Is Jay Vella and Mark Bell, these two started from leos and then moved on to boids. Jay is now into retics as mainstream while Mark is now into balls as mainstreams. There are many other examples that started with leos and then moved on into other things much more expensive. For example is TUG. As for others, well you can always research about them yourself. You don't expect me to spoonfeed you all the way to Heaven, do you? wink.gif
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Bro Azazel...this is a very good read. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif (3 thumbs ~ or is it 6 thumbs up for you bro)
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You should stuck your thumbs up SteveH's a$$ since it was him who typed the post more than two years ago. LOL!


Added on January 18, 2011, 6:02 pmIf many of you still do not get what I am trying to hint, I will just be direct i.e. people have been using leopard geckos as stepping stones. I have seen such strategy being used in USA, EU and even Asia (Indonesia, Malaysia & Thailand included).

I shall rest my thoughts here..

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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 18 2011, 05:58 PM)
You should stuck your thumbs up SteveH's a$$ since it was him who typed the post more than two years ago. LOL!


Added on January 18, 2011, 6:02 pmIf many of you still do not get what I am trying to hint, I will just be direct i.e. people have been using leopard geckos as stepping stones. I have seen such strategy being used in USA, EU and even Asia (Indonesia, Malaysia & Thailand included).

I shall rest my thoughts here..
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Leopard Geckos are definitely a stepping stone no doubt about that. It really gives us breeders a feel about what the industry is all about and how should the business be carried out. Good part about this is that it really gives a "hard-core" hands-on experience from caring, breeding to selling these animals. Bad part is because they are so prolific in making babies, it is very time consuming to work on a quantity approach rather than a quality approach where keeping a few leos is NOT enough to earn a living.

It is really a handful keeping these leos...unless there is strong passion attached to it... with the focus of just wanna make a fast buck outta this wont be enough.

Thanks again Azazel for sharing such a great post.

Kudos to you Stevo !

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The reason why it's a stepping stone is due these:
1. It's so hard to not to overproduce
2. The explosion of colors is mind boggling
3. The most it will take you to produce is usually about a year. Most of the time it will be less than that
4. Very manageable, regardless whether you're a beginner, intermediate or advance hobbyist.
5. Very manageable, regardless whether you're young or old
6. No legality issues
7. Their size is just perfect, not too small nor not too big
8. Food items are everywhere. And they are cheap.
9. Prices are affordable
10. Etc.

The only problem is actually
1. How do I sell them effectively?
2. To who should I sell them to?
3. At what fair price should I sell them?
4. Etc.

Frankly, 2010 was my worst year so far. Many of the eggs failed to hatch successfully. There were so many reasons to this predicament. But just when I thought that the annual income will be bad compared to last year, it didn't. But imagine if I have just enough...and they all went bad...I wouldn't be making such statement at all. Infact, I think I will koyak. LOL!

I am approaching this season more structurely though as I do not want to repeat the same mistakes again.

All the best and good luck to you all smile.gif

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good info bro...thanks.i tink i got your hint...
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It's great if there is an initiative taken like forming an association among local breeders to build sustainable price/value... ^^

There is just a limit of breeders locally after all... Even if we include neighboring countries...

But either way also should have their benefit and disadvantage...


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Do you honestly think that by having such association, things may fall into places?

Also, I just noticed that Steve wrote than he has 6000 customers worldwide. And this was before the internet boom. WTF?! How the hell he managed to come up with such number of customers using an orthodox method. We must learn this secret from him smile.gif
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Hmm... I have not think that this is going to be easy... But when a group of members are formed, that's the purpose though...
Just like RSPO for palm oil, I just learn this idea and share, since asian country are still at a good start and I remember you saying we are no1 when it come to all kind of reptiles accept torto lol...
ie: http://www.rspo.org/?q=page/497

6000 customer worldwide and exploded the internet...
I say Malaysia Boleh!! Gecko Malaysian pun Boleh!! ^^
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My male LG stop eating suddenly...it has been almost 1 week.
His poo is very small & colour is a bit gray/greenish, instead of the usual black. Sometimes it's only the small white dot plus water.

Please help!
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QUOTE(TedeN @ Jan 19 2011, 03:36 PM)
Hmm... I have not think that this is going to be easy... But when a group of members are formed, that's the purpose though...
Just like RSPO for palm oil, I just learn this idea and share, since asian country are still at a good start and I remember you saying we are no1 when it come to all kind of reptiles accept torto lol...
ie: http://www.rspo.org/?q=page/497

6000 customer worldwide and exploded the internet...
I say Malaysia Boleh!! Gecko Malaysian pun Boleh!! ^^
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Yes I did say that, didn't I? That is just based on my observation. I could be wrong though. smile.gif

I believe he said 6000 in USA and another 1000 worldwide.

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ooh... Sorry bro... 6k from USA and 1k overseas...
6k USA will be tough to achieve here, but 1k overseas is a open competition... But most important I think is the sustainability of local and regional market...

ske: He diehrea? Hope he get well soon... Can't give you an answer, but I think it should be caused by water or food... Let the sifus give you the helping hand... ^^

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maybe worms...post pic of the poop lah...if worms then get reptaid n prob solve,,,
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An association to govern the price for these animals just won't work (IMHO). The best is always for the customer to sort for the BEST DEALS that suits them loving the animal they select and agreeing on the price for it. biggrin.gif
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An association to govern the price for these animals just won't work (IMHO). The best is always for the customer to sort for the BEST DEALS that  suits them loving the animal they select and agreeing on the price for it.  biggrin.gif
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Do you honestly think that by having such association, things may fall into places?

Also, I just noticed that Steve wrote than he has 6000 customers worldwide. And this was before the internet boom. WTF?! How the hell he managed to come up with such number of customers using an orthodox method. We must learn this secret from him smile.gif
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notworthy.gif , but on the other hand I guess in the West they do have that amount of hobbyists to create that level of demand. We are still quite young if compared to them but nonetheless I wonder how on earth he did it without the Internet, I think without it I can only sell 2-3 Hi Yellows for the next 5-10 years sweat.gif

QUOTE(TedeN @ Jan 19 2011, 03:36 PM)
Hmm... I have not think that this is going to be easy... But when a group of members are formed, that's the purpose though...
Just like RSPO for palm oil, I just learn this idea and share, since asian country are still at a good start and I remember you saying we are no1 when it come to all kind of reptiles accept torto lol...
ie: http://www.rspo.org/?q=page/497

6000 customer worldwide and exploded the internet...
I say Malaysia Boleh!! Gecko Malaysian pun Boleh!! ^^
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I've browsed through one of Philippine's top pet forums a few weeks back and I'm amazed by where they are now when it comes to leopard geckos, they have quite a number of big players and the morphs that they're producing are much similar to the US.
And their prices are really affordable, a bell het radar adult female only costs about RM800+, I bet I can't even find something like that available around here at the moment. cry.gif

QUOTE(ske @ Jan 19 2011, 03:46 PM)
My male LG stop eating suddenly...it has been almost 1 week.
His poo is very small & colour is a bit gray/greenish, instead of the usual black. Sometimes it's only the small white dot plus water.

Please help!
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Yeah like some have said, what you can possibly do is deworm it if that is the cause of its loss of appetite. But 1 week off feeding is nothing surprising for me, anyhow keep monitoring the weight though.

QUOTE(echosmiles @ Jan 19 2011, 04:32 PM)
An association to govern the price for these animals just won't work (IMHO). The best is always for the customer to sort for the BEST DEALS that  suits them loving the animal they select and agreeing on the price for it.  biggrin.gif
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True that, its too much work, fluctuations, etc. Even for the big sellers overseas I have not heard of any such effort to control prices. In the end its every man for himself according to how the market has adapted and evolved.

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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 19 2011, 04:42 PM)
I agree.
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Gotto agree too... At current point, we are at the higher end when it comes to price...


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Some January babies....waiting for 2 more to hatch.
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Nice babies... thumbup.gif

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I just retracted my post and I found this:

QUOTE(Azazel; Dec 21 2010 @ 12:47 PM)
Slow? Says who?! We are actually moving at a very reasonable rate. The Indonesians are ahead with some animals because most of the animals originated from their own locales. And they have so many locales! But that's about it. In terms of imports, they are actually lagging behind (at the moment!). And we haven't even consider running around in our own areas for local specimens. For an example, how many of you have seen a Borneo Earless Monitor (Lanthanotus borneensis) before? It is repoted to be an endemic species from a certain locality from Sarawak. I haven't. And I think I will die if I ever seen one up close and personal LOL!

I am only touching about the issue on legal animals. You don't want to know about the illegal ones...but here's a hint - everything moves thru Malaysia (MALAYSIA BOLEH...BLAH! Hahaha)

What about Thailand where animals can be imported in and traded freely, as long as they don't exist in their native jungle. What the hell is that suppose to mean?! LOL!

Singapore is a pure herp hellhole! No contest!

Brunei is just starting to follow Malaysia. Infact, they are at we were about a decade go. But their law is evolving.

I don't know much about the Philippines (except for Pinoys! LOL!). But judging from various requests from there, I am guessing they are becoming like us.

I was mainly comparing our local market with the Indonesian's. But rest assured that they are currently gaining momentum. It will be just be in a matter of time before they catch up and surpass us.

QUOTE(Isaac)
I've browsed through one of Philippine's top pet forums a few weeks back and I'm amazed by where they are now when it comes to leopard geckos, they have quite a number of big players and the morphs that they're producing are much similar to the US.
And their prices are really affordable, a bell het radar adult female only costs about RM800+, I bet I can't even find something like that available around here at the moment

I am pretty sure that the your quote is true to a certain extend. But this does not apply to all. From my observation, the morphs are priced pretty much low for the lower and intermediate end. But you rarely see some higher end animals for sale in the Pinoy pet finder.

Also, while browsing, I managed to find this:
http://philippinepetfinder.com/forum/viewt...p?f=38&t=162475

As you can see, PHP6,000 is equivalent to RM412.50. I saw the going rate for a better good quality sunglow in Malaysia to be priced lower than that (somewhere around the range of RM300 mark). I used to sell them even lower in the past (during price war which did not benefited the loser nor the winner). By the way, almost all of their sunglow bloodline do not look like a pure 100% TUG. I think the gene had been crossed out.

And as a breeder, which one of the options below you would prefer more?
1. You buy them cheap and by the time you produce, your offsprings will be dirt cheaper that it won't feel worth while to even sell them; or
2. The price do not drop much and still look as if it's about the same so that you can still make a decent profit

Last, could you list down some of the big breeders mentioned? I am still in the dark whenever the Pinoy reptile market is concerned. This is because some of them have been emailing me asking this and that regarding import and export procedures and my animals...but the amount concerned were usually too low (barely hit USD1000, let alone my minimum export amount) that I decided to ignore them. The Indonesians however is VERY different though.


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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 19 2011, 06:20 PM)
I just retracted my post and I found this:
I was mainly comparing our local market with the Indonesian's. But rest assured that they are currently gaining momentum. It will be just be in a matter of time before they catch up and surpass us.

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I've browsed through one of Philippine's top pet forums a few weeks back and I'm amazed by where they are now when it comes to leopard geckos, they have quite a number of big players and the morphs that they're producing are much similar to the US.
And their prices are really affordable, a bell het radar adult female only costs about RM800+, I bet I can't even find something like that available around here at the moment

I am pretty sure that the your quote is true to a certain extend. But this does not apply to all. From my observation, the morphs are priced pretty much low for the lower and intermediate end. But you rarely see some higher end animals for sale in the Pinoy pet finder.

Also, while browsing, I managed to find this:
http://philippinepetfinder.com/forum/viewt...p?f=38&t=162475

As you can see, PHP6,000 is equivalent to RM412.50. I saw the going rate for a better good quality sunglow in Malaysia to be priced lower than that (somewhere around the range of RM300 mark). I used to sell them even lower in the past (during price war which did not benefited the loser nor the winner). By the way, almost all of their sunglow bloodline do not look like a pure 100% TUG. I think the gene had been crossed out.

And as a breeder, which one of the options below you would prefer more?
1. You buy them cheap and by the time you produce, your offsprings will be dirt cheaper that it won't feel worth while to even sell them; or
2. The price do not drop much and still look as if it's about the same so that you can still make a decent profit

Last, could you list down some of the big breeders mentioned? I am still in the dark whenever the Pinoy reptile market is concerned. This is because some of them have been emailing me asking this and that regarding import and export procedures and my animals...but the amount concerned were usually too low (barely hit USD1000, let alone my minimum export amount) that I decided to ignore them. The Indonesians however is VERY different though.
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I'm not too sure about how the other countries are like bro, and I used Philippines as an example seeing that the hobbyists there are having breeding projects like DBs, Raptor combos and all the Bell/Radar combos and considering the depth of the discussion they are carrying so I considered them to be big players, if I may blush.gif

And regarding pricing what I believe is that different countries/regions have different pricing of the same type of morph largely due to the supply factor. In the US what I can observe is that a juvi/subadult supersnow only costs about $75-100+ and so are raptors. Yet for a good looking sunglow or even a SHTCT they can fetch on average $100-200+? I think Sykes was also selling 1 nice hot sunglow for $500 that local breeders here can already produce that kind of quality but not fetch that kind of money perhaps due to the saturated supply/demand for the particular morph etc.

I was browsing through the same forum as you bro and this pair looked particularly cheap to me, though the quality is not that fantastic.
http://philippinepetfinder.com/forum/viewt...9194797f6723318
MSTE and Tremper enigma both het raptor for less than RM600, to be able to sell at that prices without them being bought off immediately implied two things to me. Either their market for leopards are not that big, or that they're already reaching a higher level.

Just an insight here, I may be wrong but what I can definitely say is that supply over there is more abundant if compared to the situation here smile.gif

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And as a breeder, which one of the options below you would prefer more?
1. You buy them cheap and by the time you produce, your offsprings will be dirt cheaper that it won't feel worth while to even sell them; or
2. The price do not drop much and still look as if it's about the same so that you can still make a decent profit
A true breeder should always go #2 no doubt, but as far as pricing goes I believe that the prices will continue to decline but hopefully not too drastically within this 1-2 years especially for basic morphs. Like you once told me, hypo tangs here are getting more available than hi yellows. And likewise I believe morphs like Enigma, Mack Snow and Tremper albinos in its basic form will follow the same path. smile.gif
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Pricing is subjective.

To get better pricing for the animals you sell....
a) Great Genetic Combo
b) Line-Breeding
c) Unique maybe got 2 heads, 6 legs, 4 tails...something weird...oh...it has to be alive. HAHAHAHAA...
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Pricing is subjective.

To get better pricing for the animals you sell....
a) Great Genetic Combo
b) Line-Breeding
c) Unique maybe got 2 heads, 6 legs, 4 tails...something weird...oh...it has to be alive. HAHAHAHAA...
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 19 2011, 06:20 PM)
I just retracted my post and I found this:
I was mainly comparing our local market with the Indonesian's. But rest assured that they are currently gaining momentum. It will be just be in a matter of time before they catch up and surpass us.

QUOTE(Isaac)
I've browsed through one of Philippine's top pet forums a few weeks back and I'm amazed by where they are now when it comes to leopard geckos, they have quite a number of big players and the morphs that they're producing are much similar to the US.
And their prices are really affordable, a bell het radar adult female only costs about RM800+, I bet I can't even find something like that available around here at the moment

I am pretty sure that the your quote is true to a certain extend. But this does not apply to all. From my observation, the morphs are priced pretty much low for the lower and intermediate end. But you rarely see some higher end animals for sale in the Pinoy pet finder.

Also, while browsing, I managed to find this:
http://philippinepetfinder.com/forum/viewt...p?f=38&t=162475

As you can see, PHP6,000 is equivalent to RM412.50. I saw the going rate for a better good quality sunglow in Malaysia to be priced lower than that (somewhere around the range of RM300 mark). I used to sell them even lower in the past (during price war which did not benefited the loser nor the winner). By the way, almost all of their sunglow bloodline do not look like a pure 100% TUG. I think the gene had been crossed out.

And as a breeder, which one of the options below you would prefer more?
1. You buy them cheap and by the time you produce, your offsprings will be dirt cheaper that it won't feel worth while to even sell them; or
2. The price do not drop much and still look as if it's about the same so that you can still make a decent profit


Last, could you list down some of the big breeders mentioned? I am still in the dark whenever the Pinoy reptile market is concerned. This is because some of them have been emailing me asking this and that regarding import and export procedures and my animals...but the amount concerned were usually too low (barely hit USD1000, let alone my minimum export amount) that I decided to ignore them. The Indonesians however is VERY different though.
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You know...i totally agree with this. Buy good quality animals to produce good quality babies. As for sunglow going cheap? No doubt sunglows are an old morph but there are some in my collection that given RM5k also I wouldn't sell. Isaac knows what i mean.. LOL
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Pricing is subjective.

To get better pricing for the animals you sell....
a) Great Genetic Combo
b) Line-Breeding
c) Unique maybe got 2 heads, 6 legs, 4 tails...something weird...oh...it has to be alive. HAHAHAHAA...
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From what I have seen and experienced over the last 2 years, quality do sell. And they fetch quite a hefty price. Though it is true that price will continue to drop, selling them at very low prices will eventually kill you. This is because for each customer that buys your animals possess the potential to be your future competitor. For an example, if one sell a pair of sunglows for RM200, what would the price be like in less than a year from now? RM100 a pair? Or lower? Even if you managed to win the price war, you will then ask yourself whether it is worth it or not. Fortunately there are ways to avoid this. One would be to enhance the quality of your produce. Refine rather than just reproduce. Also, I believe you will usually not get far by selling in forums. This is because it will be the same story like the first example I just gave you. A breeder must always upgrade his collection in order to gain leverage.

And, there will always be best sellers for each and every morph. For example for Tremper, the best sellers used to be sunglows. And among three eclipse albinos, a Raptor liquid way faster compared to Radar or Typhoon. I wish to include more but some may be scared with what I have to furnish.

Another thing is that USA breeders seem to be holding stock. Reason to this is still unknown to me. But I have a feeling this is due to their economy and over supply.

There are others. Unfortunately, I prefer to keep the info to myself at the moment. But this is not rocket science. Therefore, by using basic logic, you will eventually know what they are. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 19 2011, 07:58 PM)
From what I have seen and experienced over the last 2 years, quality do sell. And they fetch quite a hefty price. Though it is true that price will continue to drop, selling them at very low prices will eventually kill you. This is because for each customer that buys your animals  possess the potential to be your future competitor. For an example, if one sell a pair of sunglows for RM200, what would the price be like in less than a year from now? RM100 a pair? Or lower? Even if you managed to win the price war, you will then ask yourself whether it is worth it or not. Fortunately there are ways to avoid this. One would be to enhance the quality of your produce. Refine rather than just reproduce. Also, I believe you will usually not get far by selling in forums. This is because it will be the same story like the first example I just gave you. A breeder must always upgrade his collection in order to gain leverage.

And, there will always be best sellers for each and every morph. For example for Tremper, the best sellers used to be sunglows. And among three eclipse albinos, a Raptor liquid way faster compared to Radar or Typhoon.  I wish to include more but some may be scared with what I have to furnish.

Another thing is that USA breeders seem to be holding stock. Reason to this is still unknown to me. But I have a feeling this is due to their economy and over supply.

There are others. Unfortunately, I prefer to keep the info to myself at the moment. But this is not rocket science. Therefore, by using basic logic, you will eventually know what they are. smile.gif
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No offense but I have been paying good money, time and energy to gather such info for almost two years. To give them out freely is just not my style. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 19 2011, 08:18 PM)
No offense but I have been paying good money, time and energy to gather such info for almost two years. To give them out freely is just not my style. smile.gif
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That is why I'm clapping and respect you bro. Wondering why so generous? I know the information you gather don't come easy neither do they come cheap. And I do know the pain and effort that you've put in to be where you are now.

Well...it's a new year. My best wishes to TGS to grow larger than ever and may it justifies to you many-fold. Btw.... February is so close. Can't wait to see what TGS has to offer this time around.

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Frankly, I have nothing much to offer at the moment. I have selected my holdbacks (for those males that like to f*ck only virgins) and almost sold out the rest. And some of my eggs will start hatching by February onwards though. But for sure I can't sell them yet without knowing they have established or not. You will capitalise these first few months.

As for the info I just gave, these are just the tips of the iceberg, where they can be found almost everywhere in the internet. The ones I am holding back are my trade secrets. They are the ones that I have been gathering myself. Even if I revealed, they may not work for the others. So, no worries! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Azazel @ Jan 19 2011, 08:35 PM)
Frankly, I have nothing much to offer at the moment. I have selected my holdbacks (for those males that like to f*ck only virgins) and almost sold out the rest. And some of my eggs will start hatching by February onwards though. But for sure I can't sell them yet without knowing they have established or not. You will capitalise these first few months.

As for the info I just gave, these are just the tips of the iceberg, where they can be found almost everywhere in the internet. The ones I am holding back are my trade secrets. They are the ones that I have been gathering myself. Even if I revealed, they may not work for the others. So, no worries! smile.gif
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I can't capitalize and don't intend to la bro...lol. I'm just breeding for the fun of it. I don't even update my website... Hehehehee... Only reason I'm letting go my geckos for sale is because I'm clearing some space for the new hatchlings and to free myself from s much burden... Lol. I want a long vacation!
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post Jan 19 2011, 09:11 PM

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awesome infos...i dono y it is but im nt as woried as i was a few weeks back.nw im more confident.i have nothing to lose nw to be woried.LOL!
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post Jan 19 2011, 09:39 PM

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What do u get from crossing a SHTCTB and a Sunglow??
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post Jan 19 2011, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Jan 19 2011, 09:11 PM)
awesome infos...i dono y it is but im nt as woried as i was a few weeks back.nw im more confident.i have nothing to lose nw to be woried.LOL!
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U shouldn't be... U got some great breeders in ur collection. Their babies are gonna be awesome.
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post Jan 19 2011, 10:20 PM

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Echo: That's the most ridiculous reason I have heard yet. At the rate you're currently prod