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> I'm kinda bored..so, I want to help out those HDTV, owners calibrate their HDTV.

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post Dec 29 2010, 01:36 AM, updated 15y ago

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I'm pretty sure you guys have heard about ISF calibration, its really expensive, basically you call in some expert and they will tweak your HDTV to perform.
IMO, it's not worth it. Why would you pay around 300$ for that only? Better spend it on something else..

NOTE: This is not my guide, I'm just showing you what I did to calibrate my set! Real credit goes to the source.

So, before we begin, here's something you should know about HDTV:

1) The settings at the store? Its all a piece of sh**. They crammed up every setting to make it look "catchy" to consumers.
2) The preset settings comes with your tv is useless. Never use it.
3) 1080p and 720p doesn't make up much of a difference on a 32". Unless you REALLY focus on the image.
4) REFRESH RATE IS IMPORTANT. Go for 100Hz!

Before I start, here is some drill before and after calibration:
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Credit to this guy!Original Source.

Looks great doesn't it?
Okay now lets move on, first, make sure you do the following:

1) Warm up your HDTV, let it on for around 30minutes.
2) Turn OFF EVERY AUTOMATIC SETTINGS, like Auto Ambient Sensor bla2. on you HDTV.
3) For colour temperature, select warm, but personally, I prefer neutral.
4) Turn off your backlight settings, if it is too dark after calibration, just turn it back up.

Now is the real thing:

1) Download this video here,
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- The first slide is for contrast setting, cram your contrast way up, and you can't distinguish the 8 box shades of white.
AIM: Set your contrast until you can see ALL 8boxes without eyestrain!

- The second slide with the THX logo, set your brightness settings so that you can barely see the 7th box above the THX logo. Just barely!

2) Quit the video

3) For the colour, use this pic as a reference.
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- Turn down your colour setting until its all black and white, then turn it up bit by bit until you can see the red is red, but it is not red enough that it bleeds.
- As for the cyan and magenta, adjust your tint setting so it look just nice to your eyes.

4) Sharpness setting, use this pic.
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- Turn down your sharpness way down and increase it bit by bit until the image looks fine to your eyes.

For the colour and sharpness calibration, credit goes to this guy/girl!
Original Source.

If you're not satisfied with the sharpness, you can use this alternative:

1) Load any face close up pic, HD pic preferred.
2) Adjust your sharpness until the face of the person looks normal to you.

Now, enjoy your newly calibrated HDTV! Hope you liked it! thumbup.gif



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post Dec 29 2010, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(ckh93 @ Dec 29 2010, 01:43 AM)
you very free o_o
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YES, I am very free now..

QUOTE(penmarker @ Dec 29 2010, 01:43 AM)
but i dont like watching movie in hdtv, n from blurays, or hdvd.
look so smooth like watching documentary. i like it better if its around 25fps.
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Why? Watching Blurays are better than SD.

Ahh I see, you mean the smooth frame like in the stores? It is because the HDTV is set at the native rate of the movie source.
You see, every movie was filmed at 24Hz. So, any TV with refresh rate as the multiple of 24Hz will have this kind of effect. The butter smooth effect!
But, even if you have HDTV which supports these kind of refresh rate, you can always set it back down.

BTW, the butter smooth effect does make the movie looks great, but at the same time, it doesn't look real at all. Go ahead and try to watch Kung-Fu hustle in HD, with the butter smooth effect. Looks...weird..
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post Dec 29 2010, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 29 2010, 01:47 AM)
Ayam using Toshiba, 3D Colour Management on, plz teach me how to use

Base Colour Adjustment, there is setting Hue, Saturation and Brightness for

Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Magenta, Cyan
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Mingle around with the Hue settings. Like mine, I did slide it towards red. Around 8.

QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 29 2010, 01:49 AM)
why 100hz is important, usually people use 60hz wan
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Yup, people usually use 60Hz, this is normal and it doesn't give the butter smooth effect. If you want to see these butter effect, go to sony centre.
100Hz is important for these. But IMO, you probably seen HDTV with 200Hz and so on, I think it doesn't make any big difference.

QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 29 2010, 01:50 AM)
oh, and this calibration for HD movie on byond or blu-ray

how will it effect crappy SD channels from Astro?
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Yes sir, it does affect crappy SD. Actually, by doing this calibration, you are increasing your HDTV lifespan and IMPROVING THE OVERALL DISPLAY QUALITY of your HDTV. Regardless of the SD or HD content!

QUOTE(penmarker @ Dec 29 2010, 01:50 AM)
aah, so can change the setting. thats good to know.
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Yes, you can! smile.gif

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post Dec 29 2010, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 29 2010, 01:58 AM)
BTW, if turn off the settings like auto bla bla bla, then why get an expensive TV in the first place..
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Expensive TV have better range of setting. So users can get through these calibration accordingly. I think.

QUOTE(Min Hyo @ Dec 29 2010, 01:58 AM)
so which do you think is the best lcd in terms of brand?
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I can't say much about this, every brand has it Pros and Cons. But, I prefer Sony over LG.

QUOTE(penmarker @ Dec 29 2010, 02:00 AM)
because putting auto is like buying a tuner car and racing it stock while others do what its supposed to be done for - tuning.
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Exactly.

QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Dec 29 2010, 02:01 AM)
thanks for the tip

but i feel user can just tune the settings till their liking, not necessarily need to be based on guides
btw any tips or guides for samsung UA40C5000?
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Yup, user can just tune the setting to their liking. But, by calibrating your HDTV, it allows you to view your games/bluray the way the creator wanted it to be viewed.
Sorry, I don't have anything for that. Just try this calibration method. It works FOR EVERY MODEL. smile.gif
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post Dec 29 2010, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(Min Hyo @ Dec 29 2010, 02:16 AM)
how to turn off backlight setting?
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I'm sure its at the setting menu, maybe you have to dig deeper. If you still can't find it, tough luck. Your TV doesn't have this setting.
But, it's fine. Proceed normally smile.gif
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post Dec 29 2010, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(Min Hyo @ Dec 29 2010, 02:25 AM)
what i mean is there's no "on" or "off", it's like volumn, u can adjust from 0 to 100. so you are saying i adjust to 0?
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I see, mine is like that too. Try setting it at 80. If it is too dark you can always crank it back up.

QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Dec 29 2010, 02:25 AM)
+9000. when it's like 100Hz and above, it's like watching cantonese drama or some documentary, or some videocam recordings. tak siyok, doesnt feel like watching movie even though it's clearer. dunno why.
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Hahaha. Exactly, looks weird. It doesn't look real at all. But oh well, might as well make your HDTV future proof right?
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post Dec 29 2010, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(sanders @ Dec 29 2010, 02:29 AM)
so which settings can get rid of the mosaics?
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I seriously think that doesn't have anything to do with calibration. Its your signal.

QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Dec 29 2010, 02:31 AM)
so the backlight settings is basicly jz to make it viewable, if there's no on or off option
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Yes, but you don't want it to be too high too. BTW, it does interact with your brightness and contrast setting in overall.

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post Dec 29 2010, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Dec 29 2010, 02:37 AM)
so how exactly we set this.depends on ur room lighting?

mine is led backlit btw
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Yes, depends on your room lighting. Different calibration are required during day and night. According to your room lighting.
If your tv supports multiple custom setting then it's fine. Calibrate for both day and night.

Well, I spent quite some days finding ways to calibrate my set. But I never did come across any issue if it is LED or LCD. As long as it is HDTV, LED/LCD doesn't make any differences when calibrating.
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post Dec 29 2010, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 29 2010, 02:39 AM)
lol future proof for what? 3d(u need more resource and ir transmitter )?
there is a reason why film are converted into 24fps, film shouldnt been too real
wat setting backlight at 80%, u must be crazy, coz the laptop that i use i only set at 20% and its already bright enough, thats the reason i dont like lcd, too bright
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Well, that does makes sense. Currently ISF still researching on how much Hz can a human eye actually process. Hence the variance in refresh rate. But, higher refresh rate does results in smoother frame rate/interlacing. And yes, film are recorded at the native rate of 24p because it shouldn't be too real. Then, may I ask why HDTV with 100Hz++ are even invented? It is because some part of consumer wanted it that way. And manufacturer delivers them. Since low refresh rate tends to produce laggy images at times. You don't want that when watching sports do you?

I'm not sure about your laptop though. So, no comment.
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post Dec 29 2010, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 29 2010, 02:44 AM)
well i does, rgb led does have more accurate colour for lcd, led bring balance light output compared to ccfl, which usually cause unbalance light to lcd area (but usually not noticeble) There is a reason why calibration exist, because user preference are not the same, some people like more reddish colour, some like more bluerer, someone want more greenish. Each calibration setting wont satisfy other, those calibrator that was use was to bring accurate colour for printing images, usually for professional use
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Ahh I see, thanks for the info. smile.gif And yes, in the end it is up to the user themselves on how they wanted to view their display.
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post Dec 29 2010, 03:03 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 29 2010, 02:55 AM)
100hz are for real sources like sports and documentary.multiplying the frame into x number of frame. not everyone would need it, in fact u can still can have butter smooth video if u can fully utilize 60fps, like playing game. Most hdtv manufacturer only cares of contrass ratio, colour gamut , response time, and viewing distance, which plasma currently overwhelmed lcd in this area. The reason why oled tech was focused was to overcome all the lcd problem. remember lcd was initially use for laptop and low power display
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I see..how do I utilize these 60fps for gaming, on ps3 precisely? I did came across that color gamut thingy, but I couldn't fathom any of it. But I do know that most hdtv manufacturer's are like what you said.

You're really informative. Thanks for sharing.
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post Dec 29 2010, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(phantomkid @ Dec 29 2010, 03:04 AM)
Should move to Tutorial section (is there any? I don't remember which forum I frequent has one. wBB, LYN atau MW2 i pon tak ingat)
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I'm not sure about that. Is there tutorial section for this?

QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Dec 29 2010, 03:05 AM)
i only want 100Hz for games, that would be awesome. drool.gif
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I think its better to stick to 60Hz for gaming. You would want it for movies though. Since from what I read, 100Hz for gaming produces artifact in some cases. But it would be nice if the games run smoothly.
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post Dec 29 2010, 03:54 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 29 2010, 03:12 AM)
if the source already 60fps,the tv will feed 60fps just fine, however if the game design was 30fps, thus only motion smooth function (from hardware) helps to smooth up the frame (this thing increase cost of the hdtv). colour gamut are more like percentage of colour coverage(100% are from specification,but your display may exceed this), if the percentage is higher, your display can display more colour. usually pixel that can cover more bits have more colour.Other thing that can increase colour gamut are use or more colour for pixel like sharp's quatron technology or to reduce the colour leaking due to backlighting,glare or other reason
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Hey, I actually found something off the net that will help improve the overall FPS on ps3.

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Source.

What do you think about this? Doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe by disabling it, the ps3 can utilise more memory?

QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 29 2010, 03:14 AM)
are u sure, usually gaming are capped at 60fps, 120fps due to image need to process two time for left and right image but still 60fps. if it blur, most likely your eye cannot catch up with the display, or there is some blur mechanism in gaming(usually ps2 have this kind of thing to cover bad texture) Most likely the blur come from ghosting. i play alot unreal tournament game, mostly things that slowly u down are u reaction and mouse  doh.gif
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Yeah, I read about that too, gaming are capped at 60fps and won't go beyond that.
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post Dec 29 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 29 2010, 10:09 AM)
Sigh... ppl so rich these days, can buy HDTV. I don't even have a TV at home.
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Hahaha..right. No TV at this time of era? Doubt it.

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 29 2010, 10:19 AM)
i hate warm color. My TV always turn to cold color...
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Looks to reddish no? Well, you can always opt for neutral settings.

QUOTE(sharpeye @ Dec 29 2010, 10:29 AM)
how do i calibrate my 29" trinitron?
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It's possible, try hooking it up with a DVD player and find a THX certified movie. Every THX certified movie comes with the THX Optimizer which allows you to do the calibration. But, this method requires you to use a blue filter glasses for the color calibration. Unless, you found a way to display the image I provided on your Trinitron.

Thanks for the positive feedback /k
Calibrate your HDTV nao!
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post Dec 29 2010, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 29 2010, 11:49 AM)
reddish is bad.
and also, warm color introduce noise.
cold setting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warm setting
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I see, I never liked the warm settings anyway, it's too reddish. Currently sticking to neutral settings. Cold settings does make the picture appears nicer.
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post Dec 29 2010, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Dec 29 2010, 11:59 AM)
so....i can give it a try for my sony KLV 32Ex400?
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Yes you can. And apparently I'm using this one too! Here's the calibrated settings:

Backlight - 5
Picture - 75
Brightness - 60
Colour - 35
Hue - G9
Colour Temperature - Neutral
Sharpness - 11
Noise Reduction - High
MPEG Noise Reduction - High
Cinema Drive - Auto
Ambient Sensor - Off

Under the Advanced Settings:
Adv. Contrast Enhancer - High
Black Corrector - High
Gamma - 0
Clear White - High
Live Colour - High
White Balance - Everything at 0

Give it a try. smile.gif
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post Dec 29 2010, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(w.j0102 @ Dec 29 2010, 12:07 PM)
tyvm
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Sure thing.

QUOTE(peinsama @ Dec 29 2010, 12:08 PM)
Is it suitable for gaming since i use the TV consistently for PS3?

Anyway, let me sukken faved this post first.
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It is suitable for both gaming and movies. And I hooked it up with my PS3 as well, for gaming and movies.

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