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post May 6 2011, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(normaron @ May 6 2011, 05:13 PM)
May I know how 33% - 33% - 33% rule works?
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Since here is AMedia, then use AMedia as example.

You are ready to pump 10k into Amedia.

So divide to 3 parts, each part 3.3k

Example
Pump 3.3k at a price.. 0.24 (You get A number of shares)
Price goes down to 0.22, pump 3.3k at this price (You get B number of shares, total is A+B)
Price goes down to 0.2.. Pump again 3.3k at this price (You get C number of shares, total is A+B+C)

Numbers of shares A < B < C

Maybe you might want to do Fibonacci calculation to help justify when to inject 1st time, 2nd time, 3rd time... Or whatever tools you got.

Just my 2 lousy cents only.

When you do this.. Make sure you know the company in and out, and is confident with them at least for the next coming few years, and also confident with their upcoming performances as well. If the company is not worth to do this kind of action, just cut the loss and take your fund else where.

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Monkeyking and sky provide a piece of advise, is all up to forumer to decide, well i appreciate their sharing of their view

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QUOTE(nasni @ May 6 2011, 05:12 PM)
just to add further,

have a plan and trade the plan, quantify the risk u willing to take, ie 3% , 5% or 10%  it's all up to u.  biggrin.gif
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Yes, when you are trading, a trading plan is very important. Ask yourself what is your entry/ exit price, take profit or cut loss price. Don't hesitate and always apply the same rules.

When you are investing, invest in company with good fundamental, as such blue chips shares. But make sure you have the holding power.

Of course, those goreng stock falls under trading plan.
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post May 6 2011, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ May 6 2011, 05:28 PM)
Since here is AMedia, then use AMedia as example.

You are ready to pump 10k into Amedia.

So divide to 3 parts, each part 3.3k

Example
Pump 3.3k at a price.. 0.24 (You get A number of shares)
Price goes down to 0.22, pump 3.3k at this price (You get B number of shares, total is A+B)
Price goes down to 0.2.. Pump again 3.3k at this price (You get C number of shares, total is A+B+C)

Numbers of shares A < B < C

Maybe you might want to do Fibonacci calculation to help justify when to inject 1st time, 2nd time, 3rd time... Or whatever tools you got.

Just my 2 lousy cents only.

When you do this.. Make sure you know the company in and out, and is confident with them at least for the next coming few years, and also confident with their upcoming performances as well. If the company is not worth to do this kind of action, just cut the loss and take your fund else where.
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I think it is best for investors to choose what they feel comfortable with 1) average up 2) Average down 3) no average.

Investing also associates with risks and comfort level.

Some people may project Forex as a safer investment ( in term of risk management ) than to buy Amedia, and if you agree and comfortable with, then can go ahead.

If not you just walk away.

Just my view.

P/S : Using JCY as a model is odeli very biased as our forumers warned of excess supplies of JCY long time ago in our forum. Averaging down is out of the question.

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: May 6 2011, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 6 2011, 05:59 PM)
I think it is best for investors to choose what they feel comfortable with 1) average up 2) Average down 3) no average.

Investing also associates with risks and  comfort level.

Some people may project Forex as a safer investment ( in term of risk management ) than to buy Amedia, and if you agree and comfortable with, then can go ahead.

If not you just walk away.

Just my view.

P/S : Using JCY  as a model is odeli very biased as our forumers warned of excess supplies of JCY long time ago in our forum. Averaging down is out of the question.
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Yes, it back to the investor risk appetite.
But strategy is really really important. Trading without a strategy will be very dangerous. Diversified does not only means diversified through other counter, it can be diversifying in other entry prices to get a better average.


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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ May 6 2011, 07:27 PM)
Yes, it back to the investor risk appetite.
But strategy is really really important. Trading without a strategy will be very dangerous. Diversified does not only means diversified through other counter, it can be diversifying in other entry prices to get a better average.
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You have a point, i.e know what you are doing.

There are entry points created like the one at 0.225 or so.

If it is ok, then just join the sharks on boat for a late push. If not one just exists. icon_rolleyes.gif

But for those who buy only blue chips, this is not a place for you to join.

Set up a thread to preach your blue chip, and it is always welcome. icon_rolleyes.gif





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In fact, real true blue chip does not really need any strategy. Like Amway, it will only go up and up slow and steady.. Haha
Blue chip only need a big lump sum of $$$, and also very good and strong holding power on it. Then tada, you win the match...

Red chip/growing stocks is the stock that really need much skills, strategy, news and rumors on its trading. smile.gif Your heart is ready for it, then go on smile.gif
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ May 6 2011, 07:46 PM)
In fact, real true blue chip does not really need any strategy. Like Amway, it will only go up and up slow and steady.. Haha
Blue chip only need a big lump sum of $$$, and also very good and strong holding power on it. Then tada, you win the match...

Red chip/growing stocks is the stock that really need much skills, strategy, news and rumors on its trading. smile.gif Your heart is ready for it, then go on smile.gif
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Yes, you are right.

As I mentioned before several of my old favorites now " complied " and packaged by an International company as "aggressive fund" with 2x returns and strangely those people over there like it.

Over here, it is not worth a single sen. icon_rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

Diamonds are diamonds ( like Amway or Public Bank ) , do not need much to introduce.

But I guess people may want to discover the next Diamond mine.

Besides WB, there are many more out there could be successful, only at different levels.

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First of all, I am not familiar with Amedia.
But for me, averaging down or up is just your mind playing on your own only.

First buy 0.30
Second buy 0.20
Some said you average cost is 0.25.

some said sell at 0.25 then breakeven.

To me,
First buy and second buy are independent to each other.
Sell at 0.25, means 0.20 make 0.05, and 0.30 make a loss of 0.05.
So total breakeven.

It is same you bought A stock at 0.30 at 0.30,
then go to buy B stock at 0.20.

Little difference, the difference is you are at 2 front of price movement instead of 1.
If A and B stock also 0.25, you also breakeven.

What important is your total fund/total portfolio is making money or not.

My 2 cents.

To add

First buy 0.30
price plunge to 0.20.
You only make a decision to buy because you ses price can move up from 0.20. This should be the sole reason why you want to buy at 0.20

Please do not buy just because you want to average down your cost to 0.25.
It doesn't work this way. Your 0.30 is done deal, you cannot bring down the cost of 0.30.



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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 6 2011, 10:05 PM)
First of all, I am not familiar with Amedia.
But for me, averaging down or up is just your mind playing on your own only.

First buy 0.30
Second buy 0.20
Some said you average cost is 0.25.

some said sell at 0.25 then breakeven.

To me,
First buy and second buy are independent to each other.
Sell at 0.25, means 0.20 make 0.05, and 0.30 make a loss of 0.05.
So total breakeven.

It is same you bought A stock at 0.30 at 0.30,
then go to buy B stock at 0.20.

Little difference, the difference is you are at 2 front of price movement instead of 1.
If A and B stock also 0.25, you also breakeven.

What important is your total fund/total portfolio is making money or not.

My 2 cents.
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Different stock, different risk already...
Same stock, averaging down the same thing.. and can bail it out when go up a bit
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post May 6 2011, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 6 2011, 10:05 PM)
First of all, I am not familiar with Amedia.
But for me, averaging down or up is just your mind playing on your own only.

First buy 0.30
Second buy 0.20
Some said you average cost is 0.25.

some said sell at 0.25 then breakeven.

To me,
First buy and second buy are independent to each other.
Sell at 0.25, means 0.20 make 0.05, and 0.30 make a loss of 0.05.
So total breakeven.

It is same you bought A stock at 0.30 at 0.30,
then go to buy B stock at 0.20.

Little difference, the difference is you are at 2 front of price movement instead of 1.
If A and B stock also 0.25, you also breakeven.

What important is your total fund/total portfolio is making money or not.

My 2 cents.

To add

First buy 0.30
price plunge to 0.20.
You only make a decision to buy because you ses price can move up from 0.20. This should be the sole reason why you want to buy at 0.20

Please do not buy just because you want to average down your cost to 0.25.
It doesn't work this way. Your 0.30 is done deal, you cannot bring down the cost of 0.30.
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I think I have a diff opinion on DCA, though not specific to Amedia :-


Under the Asset Allocation model , the neutral point is 50% cash and 50% share.

1) If share price is towards more undervalued , then reduce the cash balance and buy more shares
2) If share price is towards overvalued , then reduce the shareholding level, and keep more cash.

It is just one of the simplified versions, and some in the West are using computers to generate a more complex fund.

As the share price moves, the risk level changes ( assuming company performance is on target ).

As I say, one has to be comfortable with, and with some understanding. Pre set levels could be fine tuned to own comfort or age level.

I see some logic to it when I learn it through a seminar.

May not applicable to others.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/assetallocation.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_allocation

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/assetallocation.htm

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 6 2011, 10:21 PM)
I think I have a diff opinion on DCA,  though not specific to Amedia :-
Under the Asset Allocation model , the neutral point is 50%  cash and 50%  share.

1) If share price is towards more undervalued , then reduce the cash balance and buy more shares
2) If share price is towards overvalued , then reduce the shareholding level, and keep more cash.

It is just one of the simplified version, and some in the West are using  computers to generate a  more complex fund.

As the share price moves, the risk level changes ( assuming company performance is on target ).

As I  say, one has to be comfortable with, and with some understanding. Pre set levels  could be fine tuned to client's comfort  or age level.

I see some logic to it when I learn it through a seminar.

May not applicable to others.
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This is a very good strategy as well.
But to have this kind of strategy, one must have at least a good amount of cash specifically allocated for shares trading only.
A handsome 10k at least in my opinion for a small investment style.

The crucial part of this strategy is, is the company "Undervalued, or Overvalued", as these 2 are the deciding factors for the decision making model.
Again, it will goes down to the fundamental parts of the company, directions and goals of the corporate and also investor self research that will justify the answer towards the decision making.

In my opinion, it will be applicable towards established market player, or blue chips.
Nice strategy in my opinion.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ May 6 2011, 10:47 PM)
This is a very good strategy as well.
But to have this kind of strategy, one must have at least a good amount of cash specifically allocated for shares trading only.
A handsome 10k at least in my opinion for a small investment style.

The crucial part of this strategy is, is the company "Undervalued, or Overvalued", as these 2 are the deciding factors for the decision making model.
Again, it will goes down to the fundamental parts of the company, directions and goals of the corporate and also investor self research that will justify the answer towards the decision making.

In my opinion, it will be applicable towards established market player, or blue chips.
Nice strategy in my opinion.
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It is just a basic structure, each to fine tune to own comfort level.

Generally there is a consensus that higher price of a stock ( movement ) is always higher risk unless PE or other valuations to sustain it.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 6 2011, 10:54 PM)
It is just a basic structure, each to fine tune to own comfort level.

Generally there is a consensus that higher price of a stock ( movement )  is always higher risk unless PE or other valuations to sustain it.
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When stock price is higher, risk definitely will grow gradually. It will boil down to the influence of the news and the background of the company to sustain this market value of the company. Strong news will definitely give a strong boost to the prices, and will spark a strong upward trend for the counter.

High volume counter is good counter.. Means more movement, more fluctuation, more volatility, more chances to earn from highs and lows, and also more risk.

Low volume counter.. slow growth, less goreng will happen, less fluctuation, less volatility, less movement.. When get trap, hard to come out.. (My experience at least)
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ May 6 2011, 11:09 PM)
When stock price is higher, risk definitely will grow gradually. It will boil down to the influence of the news and the background of the company to sustain this market value of the company. Strong news will definitely give a strong boost to the prices, and will spark a strong upward trend for the counter.

High volume counter is good counter.. Means more movement, more fluctuation, more volatility, more chances to earn from highs and lows, and also more risk.

Low volume counter.. slow growth, less goreng will happen, less fluctuation, less volatility, less movement.. When get trap, hard to come out.. (My experience at least)
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haha, Ya you are right, asset allocation could be modified for trading purposes or with some TA.

First, You have to believe it works for u.

For those who do not believe in it, it would not work.

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icon_rolleyes.gif Sorry brothers & sisters I won't be posting any new news & articles on Amedia here because of the very irritating topic starter shakehead.gif shocking.gif rclxub.gif ...for the benefit of all Amedia shareholders, please go here for more rclxm9.gif rclxms.gif




http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry42146726



vmad.gif Yes, someone here don't & never like my presence here & never appreciate what I had been trying to do for all members here but instead bombarded me with insinuating bad remarks......hmn, too bad indeed. ........lagi gang up some more. shakehead.gif shocking.gif go here please......


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1686919/+260





.....thank you all........good luck to all too. notworthy.gif

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Ok , I will also stop here.

Let others to share their bad news over here.
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Huh.. how come monkeyking and sky exit this thread? I normally follow silently. I think that all information or contribution are important, it is up to reader to find out if the information is true/false, valuable/disposable, related or non-related.
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ASIA MEDIA GROUP BERHAD (“COMPANY”)

Update on the announcement dated 11 March 2011 in relation to a potential acquisition

Further to the Company’s announcement dated 11 March 2011 to clarify on the Company’s potential acquisition of a company based in Singapore which has secured the broadcasting licence in Singapore (“Potential Acquisition”), the Company wishes to update that after several months of negotiation, the Company is unable to agree on the terms of the Potential Acquisition and as such it has decided not to proceed with the Potential Acquisition.

The Company will continue to expand the Digital Live Transit-TV Broadcasting business in Malaysia and to explore other overseas expansion opportunities.

This announcement is dated 9 May 2011.

Source : http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_c...ments/index.jsp

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