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post Jul 15 2011, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jul 15 2011, 09:00 PM)
Well, the "result" you see is mostly down to the terminal colour-scheme (.Xdefaults/Xresources) and the custom configs for the various apps on screen. The rest is just a simple conky on top, a hint of drop-shadow compositing with xcompmgr and the Artwiz Lime font). That's all. smile.gif

EvilWM is a stacking/floating type window manager (like Fluxbox or Openbox) but you can manually float windows in ScrotWM (or any tiling wm) if you want.
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Ahh xcompmgr shocking.gif

And btw , ive tried to retrieve the updates for testing

They gave me 475MB of upgrade+new install

Above that , it uses 453MB extra space shocking.gif

I was wondering , is this a good thing or a bad thing hmm.gif

And also , my system will be a bloat with these right blink.gif
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post Jul 15 2011, 09:27 PM

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Depends how you'd define bloat. Bloat to most *nixers means space taken up by stuff that you don't need or use. Space = RAM or HDD, depending on application.

Copy-pasta the output of your "apt-get dist-upgrade" (the whole thing before the "Do you want to proceed Y/N" part) here.
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post Jul 15 2011, 09:33 PM

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post Jul 15 2011, 09:45 PM

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Not much "bloat" in there. A big part of the required space might be the transition from Xfce 4.6 to 4.8. Some of the apps you have are a bit unfamiliar to me, so I can't say. The transition to python 2.6 probably takes up a bit more space as well.

After the successful dist-upgrade and reboot, you can probably run autoremove and autoclean to get rid of unwanted libraries, which will give you back some space. Deborphan or bleachbit might be of some use as well. You can also install localepurge which will remove unwanted localizations automatically after each upgrade/dist-upgrade.

You also get a couple of new kernel images and headers, so you won't have to install them manually later. Good.

You can remove unwanted xorg libraries with the help of the smxi script (google it), but only if you understand what your hardware needs.

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apt-get dist-upgrade -d

That way, you can download the upgrades while still in X, so you can still do your work or browsing while the download is going on. After the download completes and you're ready to upgrade, exit your WM, and kill Slim. Then go to root in the TTY and run the command again without the -d to install teh downloaded packages.

Question:
Did you install upower manually or does the Debian core install come with it included, or did the Xfce install pull it in? Do you have any experience with upower? If so, please share. I'm quite curious about it.

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post Jul 15 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jul 15 2011, 09:45 PM)
@Zai
Not much "bloat" in there. A big part of the required space might be the transition from Xfce 4.6 to 4.8. Some of the apps you have  are a bit unfamiliar to me, so I can't say. The transition to python 2.6 probably takes up a bit more space as well.

After the successful dist-upgrade and reboot, you can probably run autoremove and autoclean to get rid of unwanted libraries, which will give ou back some space. Deborphan or bleachbit might be of some use as well.

You can remove unwanted xorg libraries with the help of the smxi script (google it), but only if you understand what your hardware needs.

Question:
Did you install upower manually or does the Debian core install come with it included, or did the Xfce install pull it in? Do you have any experience with upower? If so, please share. I'm quite curious about it.
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I know nothing about upower coz its a new install , probably xfce drag it in shocking.gif

rclxub.gif Hope it doesnt bloat much , hate it when my pc is carrying too much of bundles tongue.gif But normally , i'll keep my files in Windows partition , leaving my Linux empty

So i guess i can proceed shocking.gif

I was wondering when i saw upower , is it a same thing like a power manager or something blink.gif
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I edited my previous post to add some stuff. Read it again please.

I'm not quite sure about upower myself. The manual is quite pathetic, tbh.
http://upower.freedesktop.org/docs/UPower.7.html

I know GRML doesn't include it, but not sure about a Debian netinstall (GRML-small image is much lighter than a Debian netinstall, fyi). I basically do all my power management with self-made scripts and follow some powertop recommendations. Not sure whether uPower conflicts with stuff like irqbalance or xfce4-power-manager or not. Since you have it, you can probably do a battery drain test one day to see if it helps or not.

Ugh.. Seriously, that is the worst man page I've ever read ... it basically tells you... uhm... nothing!! >_>

EDIT:
Ah, just checked another computer running Debian, and UPower seems to be included. That comp runs Testing sources with Openbox, so I assume UPower is pulled in by Debian itself. O_o. Strange, never noticed it before, and my rc and init files don't indicate any upowerd daemon being launched. Can't really test that comp since it's a desktop, not a laptop.

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post Jul 15 2011, 11:38 PM

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halo... jz want to clear up my confusion... fedora and ubuntu, which one is better?? not all people familiar with fedora and most of linux user is ubuntu user...
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jul 15 2011, 11:38 PM)
halo... jz want to clear up my confusion... fedora and ubuntu, which one is better?? not all people familiar with fedora and most of linux user is ubuntu user...
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Both are equally good, for the most part. I don't use either, btw.

Fedora tends to be more bleeding-edge, since it's a test-bed distro for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. As a result, you'll often see Fedora adopt new things earlier than other "out-of-the-box" distros (like Gnome3, for example). A side-effect is that some of the new stuff they bring in might be a bit too raw or unpolished for the average user, though it's by no means an unstable distro. Can feel a bit queer at times, not surprising since it's named after a gay hat.

Ubuntu is the African word for "Can't install Debian", meaning it tries to take Debian and make it user-friendly for the average simian. It's still a powerful distro that experienced users can get comfortable with, but their target market is basically the "average Joe/Jane" This is why you often see a lot of social stuff incorporated into new versions of Ubuntu like UbuntuOne and Facebook/Twitter compatible notifications daemons.It does have it's flaws, like less control over the distro internals, but what it does have is the biggest amount of online documentation. Do a google search for "something-something Linux" and it's very probably that most of the hits will be Ubuntu related. It's good for newbies in that sense.

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post Jul 16 2011, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jul 15 2011, 11:54 PM)
Both are equally good, for the most part. I don't use either, btw.

Fedora tends to be more bleeding-edge, since it's a test-bed distro for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. As a result, you'll often see Fedora adopt new things earlier than other "out-of-the-box" distros (like Gnome3, for example). A side-effect is that some of the new stuff they bring in might be a bit too raw or unpolished for the average user, though it's by no means an unstable distro. Can feel a bit queer at times, not surprising since it's named after a gay hat.

Ubuntu is the African word for "Can't install Debian", meaning it tries to take Debian and make it user-friendly for the average simian. It's still a powerful distro that experienced users can get comfortable with, but their target market is basically the "average Joe/Jane" This is why you often see a lot of social stuff incorporated into new versions of Ubuntu like UbuntuOne and Facebook/Twitter compatible notifications daemons.It does have it's flaws,  like less control over the distro internals, but what it does have is the biggest amount of online documentation. Do a google search for "something-something Linux" and it's very probably that most of the hits will be Ubuntu related. It's good for newbies in that sense.
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notworthy.gif 2 weeks o'd i do my own research laugh.gif want to try. but seems fedora complex than ubuntu sweat.gif fedora spin gt 3 type of spin..
KDE,LXDE,Xfce .. that one is fedora 15... erm, can fedora install in notebook?? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jul 16 2011, 12:05 AM)
notworthy.gif  2 weeks o'd i do my own research laugh.gif want to try. but seems fedora complex than ubuntu sweat.gif  fedora spin gt 3 type of spin..
KDE,LXDE,Xfce .. that one is fedora 15... erm, can fedora install in notebook?? hmm.gif
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Yes, you can install Fedora or Ubuntu or almost any other distro on a notebook/laptop. It does depend on your hardware to a certain extent, like what kind of wireless chipset it uses, or whether it has switchable/hybrid graphics or not. Sometimes, you'll need to do some additional configuration after the base install to get these sort of things working. Also note that older hardware will struggle a bit running heavy environments like Gnome3 or KDE4 (though they're both still lighter than Win Vista or Win7, for sure)

Yes, Fedora might be a bit more challenging than Ubuntu for a Linux newbie, but not by much, I say. Find a good guide, and you should be good to go.

If you're looking for something Fedora based but a bit easier and optimized for netbooks and laptops, you could possibly give Fuduntu a try: http://www.fuduntu.org/

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QUOTE(fJok3R @ Jul 14 2011, 05:24 PM)
^ i tried to issue pacman -Syu to update my system, the thing is I got the error about cloog and cloog-ppl are in conflict thus pacman cannot continue.

something like this thread
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=118578

since i don't really sure what cloog and cloog-ppl are doing, i'm a bit cautious to issue pacman -Syuf

if you guys can assured it is safe to force update, then only I will do it, lol
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Actually i experienced this myself when i tried to -Syu with my fresh archbang install.. just i forgot how i managed to make it work. Either because i manually installed the latest kernel with -U or forcing it to upgrade/remove with -f. wacko.gif

It's part of the nightmares i encountered being an arch virgin.
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Fedora can be used with a notebook.
As for tips and tricks to setup and enhance Fedora try this site:

http://fedorasolved.org/

Take your time and decide between installing KDE or Gnome though. Both look completely different now. Though if you want a newer experience, try Fedora's Gnome 3, its the best executed version of it on any distro, IHMO.
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jul 15 2011, 11:38 PM)
halo... jz want to clear up my confusion... fedora and ubuntu, which one is better?? not all people familiar with fedora and most of linux user is ubuntu user...
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ubuntu got more bug than debian.
ubuntu repo contain less apps than debian repo. u have to add ppa here and ppa there.
pure debian is design for distro developer/sys admin or geek.
mint debian edition, mepis, #! is user friendly debian

u want latest apps go with fedora remix.
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I was wondering if there is any Debian blogs to read to sweat.gif

Any recommendations ?
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hi guys.. long time no see tongue.gif tongue.gif
just got my new lappy today after the old one died 5month ago
this one comes with preinstalled win 7 premium, sucks big time. it eats almost 75% of my 2gb ram all the time when the thing in background is just ff. lol
downloading lmde now, hope it likes my lappy ati card tongue.gif

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QUOTE(axxer @ Jul 17 2011, 01:17 AM)
hi guys.. long time no see  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
just got my new lappy today after the old one died 5month ago
this one comes with preinstalled win 7 premium, sucks big time. it eats almost 75% of my 2gb ram all the time when the thing in background is just ff. lol
downloading lmde now, hope it likes my lappy ati card  tongue.gif
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Welcome back tongue.gif
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QUOTE(G-17 @ Jul 16 2011, 12:13 AM)
Yes, you can install Fedora or Ubuntu or almost any other distro on a notebook/laptop. It does depend on your hardware to a certain extent, like what kind of wireless chipset it uses, or whether it has switchable/hybrid graphics or not. Sometimes, you'll need to do some additional configuration after the base install to get these sort of things working. Also note that older hardware will struggle a bit running heavy environments like Gnome3 or KDE4 (though they're both still lighter than Win Vista or Win7, for sure)

Yes, Fedora might be a bit more challenging than Ubuntu for a Linux newbie, but not by much, I say. Find a good guide, and you should be good to go.

If you're looking for something Fedora based  but a bit easier and optimized for netbooks and laptops, you could possibly give Fuduntu a try: http://www.fuduntu.org/
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shocking.gif fuduntu like Vm eh =.=" thats based on my eyes. blackbuntu.. brows.gif

QUOTE(seatux @ Jul 16 2011, 09:15 AM)
Fedora can be used with a notebook.
As for tips and tricks to setup and enhance Fedora try this site:

http://fedorasolved.org/

Take your time and decide between installing KDE or Gnome though. Both look completely different now. Though if you want a newer experience, try Fedora's Gnome 3, its the best executed version of it on any distro, IHMO.
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notworthy.gif thanks.. will try one by one soon... explre a bit XD

QUOTE(pcbase @ Jul 16 2011, 10:34 AM)
ubuntu got more bug than debian.
ubuntu repo contain less apps than debian repo. u have to add ppa here and ppa there.
pure debian is design for distro developer/sys admin or geek.
mint debian edition, mepis, #! is user friendly debian

u want latest apps go with fedora remix.
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shakehead.gif more bug?? ubuntu that common people use??
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QUOTE(axxer @ Jul 17 2011, 01:17 AM)
hi guys.. long time no see  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
just got my new lappy today after the old one died 5month ago
this one comes with preinstalled win 7 premium, sucks big time. it eats almost 75% of my 2gb ram all the time when the thing in background is just ff. lol
downloading lmde now, hope it likes my lappy ati card  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(fJok3R @ Jul 15 2011, 07:10 AM)
core install of i686 version. i tried to issue pacman -Syu and it returns error of cloog and cloog-ppl are in conflict like i described a few post back then.

so i don't know how to proceed in order to update my system. a bit too afraid to force using -f btw
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You should used netinstall image whenever possible since Archlinux is a rolling-release distro...BTW,why don't you use 64bit Archlinux?

back to your prob, try this..
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pacman -Rdd cloog-ppl

pass the d option twice to skip dependency check..
Edit your /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist and uncomment Server = http://mirrors.kernel.org/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
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pacman -Syyu

again, pass the y option twice to refresh the package database.

and update here your progress..

your graphic is already detected..dont worry about xorg.conf..you dont need it anymore..UDEV and Xorg server will handle that for you..
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jul 17 2011, 11:55 PM)
shocking.gif fuduntu like Vm eh =.=" thats based on my eyes. blackbuntu.. brows.gif
notworthy.gif thanks.. will try one by one soon... explre a bit XD
shakehead.gif more bug?? ubuntu that common people use??
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