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Streamyx Streamyx Is Planning Revising Fair Usage Policy, Do you agree or not ? Please Vote Now ?

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ahpek26
post Dec 20 2010, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Dec 20 2010, 03:25 PM)
I can't believe some people here are willing to pay RM2 / gb. Ridiculous. Good, make TM richer than they already are. People are still willing to put $ into con artist pockets.
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It's ok man, when they see their bills shooting up then they'll start to see the big picture. On top of that, the service is going to be just as sh*tty, if not worse than before because let's face it, TM will be TM and cut any corners just to save money so obviously the capping/throttling/shaping will not be remove or reduce.

People will get angry and either unsubscribe or... keep getting buttsek smile.gif What to do TM has manage to jedi mind trick their users into believing that WE are the problem and that WE have to bear with it and pay the consequences. All the while THEY setting up and changing the rules as THEY see fit, all the while making sh*tloads of money and laughing all the way to bank.

Oh well thats life in Malaysia for ya, we always get the short end of the stick. Soon the shorter and shortest end of the stick.
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post Dec 21 2010, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Dec 20 2010, 11:47 PM)
I didn't vote. I tell you what's necessary. Hate. Dire hatred. People had always blamed poor customer support and stupid isp. Truth of the matter is they have been very smart -- blame the stupid techs while they earn more.
Else for the rest of the time, we're gonna continue getting brainwashed and accept their national 'penetration'.
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I voted no just for sh*ts and giggle, doubt they even give a rat's ass. Yes they are indeed very smart. They manage to brainwash people into thinking they're out of money and they cannot buy more bandwidth, hence we (users) need to cut down. Are they losing money? Nope, in fact tripling I think. So I can't see the problem of buying more bandwidth, can you?

mylinear makes a valid point but I doubt TM haven't actually figure that one out. Hell I think they're going to do it, just to save even more money. I just can't see the point of these bandwidth saving management since we're using 1Mbps and 4Mbps (don't even mention anything below 1Mbps bandwidth management, thats just pathetic), which I think is quite slow to begin with.
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post Jan 5 2011, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Henshin @ Jan 5 2011, 05:19 PM)
So, according to those slides TM Net produced during its recent PR exercise, the company's definition of a heavy user is someone who downloads 25GB a month. This is laughable for all sorts of reasons.

If you were to use a 1Mbps Streamyx connection at full speed (let's say 100KB per second) for 24 hours a day for 30 days a month, you'd be able to download 247GB a month. TM Net doesn't want you to do this. TM Net expects you to use your 1Mbps broadband connection at 10KB/s on average every month. In other words, if you use more than 10% of your 1Mbps connection's total capacity a month, TM has now decided you're a heavy user.

(For 4Mbps Streamyx users, 25GB per month translates to 2.5% of total bandwidth capacity.)

To make this all the more insulting, TM Net's official page for its Streamyx site boasts "unlimited usage for a fixed rate". This is false advertising, of course, and it's by a communications company which is absolutely terrible at communications. There's no English dictionary in the world that defines "unlimited" as "having undisclosed limits." Prospective Streamyx subscribers would be less than impressed by the ugly truth: "Restricted to 25GB per month with an average speed of 10KB/s".

The second reason why TM Net's definition of heavy user is laughably absurd is the company has another broadband service, UniFi, and TM Net is allowing those users download 120GB per month (and as the UniFi official site notes there is no cap for the time being). Keep in mind that both UniFi and Streamyx users are using the same international bandwidth.

Don't be misled by TM Net's clumsy and transparent attempts to shift the blame from itself. Heavy users of Streamyx are not stealing bandwidth from other Streamyx users; the heavy users are simply making full use of their connections they paid for.

What's actually happening is TM Net is severely restricting Streamyx heavy users in order to maximise international bandwidth for UniFi users. In other words, TM Net is taking away international bandwidth from Streamyx users to cater to UniFi users. TM Net is doing this very quietly so the only ones who are noticing it now are the Streamyx heavy users.

Some of you may not consider TM Net's policies troubling because it doesn't currently affect you. Consider this: TM Net gets to decide who is a heavy downloader and under what circumstances. Download 120GB with a UniFi connection? TM Net says, "No problem." Download 25GB on a Streamyx connection and TM Net says you're a heavy user whose connection must be throttled so severely you won't be able to download critical data including OS service packs, security patches, application upgrades or anti-virus definition updates.

More to the point, TM Net also gets to decide what amount constitutes an excessively high download amount. Today, it's 25GB a month. In a year, TM Net could decide it's 20GB or perhaps 15GB. This is called moving the goalposts and to mix sporting metaphors, this is not cricket. TM Net, having gone from "unlimited" to 25GB, will most assuredly change this amount once again.

The real problem here is TM Net is set on maximising profits and as such is eager to increase its broadband subscription base without making the necessary infrastructure investments to maintain a high quality of service. Increasing  the number of subscribers means increasing revenue but increasing international bandwidth capacity to maintain quality of service means increasing expenditure which eats up profits.

It's worth noting TM Net announced RM2 billion in revenues and more than doubled its net profits for the third quarter of 2010 alone. Now ask yourself how TM Net is going to meet shareholder expectations of improved profits in the future.

Does anyone believe the company is going to spend any of the RM800 million it made in profits for its first three financial quarters of 2010 to improve the international bandwidth capacity for Streamyx users?

Does anyone believe TM Net is going to stop accepting broadband subscribers because it has more subscribers than it can provide international bandwidth for?

The Streamyx/UniFi situation is a clear indicator of TM Net's future strategy: the company is going to continue oversubscribing (i.e. having more users than it can adequately support) and punish existing customers who do not upgrade by severely throttling them when the company rolls out a new broadband service.

TM Net has made overtures to local bloggers in order to co-opt them and induce them to spread TM Net's PR message. Streamyx users who feel they have been unfairly throttled should respond by lodging a complaint with the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission. Visit aduan.skmm.gov.my.

If this doesn't help matters then it's clear TM Net needs a very public rebuke from long-suffering Streamyx users who have thus far restricted their complaints to enthusiast web sites like this one. In an age of Twitter and Facebook groups, Streamyx users who dutifully pay their monthly bill only to be treated to secret throttling, frequent service degradation and outages have plenty of avenues to give TM Net a much-deserved and overdue PR black eye on the international stage.
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TL;DR version

TMnet feed people bs about "expensive bandwidth" and "not enough bandwidth" and people ate it like om nom nom nom. Now we're screwed till our grandkids and we've got only ourselves to blame. Today 25GB, tomorrow 25MB, so yeah, enjoy!

So it's 2011, whats up MX510? Any more bad news like maybe they decided 25GB is "too much" and that 25MB would be more suitable for streamyx users?

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post Apr 14 2011, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(prasys @ Apr 13 2011, 11:23 PM)
Back from TM tech conference meet up

I'll share some in-sight though (but not all).

Well , the future will be bit different  , there will be some form of quota (no its not going to be monthly quotas) . This would have effect on heavy downloaders. I've seen the figures , just for your information

Streamyx @4Mbps - 1.2TB a month
VIP 10 - 3 TB a month
VIP 20 - 6 TB a month

These are real figures and its the highest amount of data downloaded by heavy users in a month .

A new form of control would be in place and TM is looking into it , but certainly its not going to be monthly quota based.

Trust me , if you are into streaming , gaming and downloading movies (not heavy 24/7 bitTorrent) that means you are pretty much okay. Just think of the new thing as highway speed limits (something like that).

That's all I can say. If you are not a heavy torrent user , just a regular youtube kaki , facebook , etc..trust me , you'll be happy to know that this should in return be beneficial to all !

I am quite sure MX510 would add more detail or shed some more light
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Well I cannot wait till they throttle you to death. Definitely going to be soon because they way things are, prices of anything is gonna go up and TM's fat cats got some spending to do (in the bunker real estates) so TM's definitely gonna cut corners even more.

Let's just wait and see smile.gif
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post Apr 15 2011, 06:08 AM

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QUOTE(prasys @ Apr 14 2011, 06:18 PM)
Maybe I should invite you , so what you propose ? unlimited downloads for all ?
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Nah i'll pass the PR parade. Not like my "opinion" matters anyways. Proof being that in this very forum people have discussed time and time again about what is best for TM and customer in terms of bandwidth limitation and how they can implement it but they always ignored it.

If they really "care" about the customer then they should put one of their rep here in this very forum section and form a formal discussion of some sort. Is it that hard to do? Do you have to pay to use this forum? This forum itself is the most popular forum in Malaysia so obviously it's not the lack of users so what gives?

TL;DR: If TM really wants to help customers and themselves, they only need to search this forum to find whats the best way to do it. It may not apply directly per say, but it should give them ideas on how to do it.



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post Apr 27 2011, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(sohlican @ Apr 27 2011, 08:37 PM)
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All fine points but you gotta understand that TMnut is monopolizing the market in Malaysia so as the head honcho they can pretty much do anything they want. They know this and they don't care. All they have to do is to provide you with an ok service and they'll call it a day. Why should they care about since they're making billions of profits each year (with or without your complaining and whining).

Last year they've shown this with the obvious blatant application of fair usage policy that's gone terribly wrong for a whole month plus and last time I check, I didn't get my rebate and I bet millions other subscribers didn't get theirs either. Not only that, during this so called "exercise" they did not even mention anything about it so we're left around fumbling around. Just to make matters worst, the capping was so bad even local connection (which is guaranteed by them to be "good") is also affected.

In the end, you live in Malaysia, you follow the rule or... you go live in the jungle and make your own rule (or goto Singapore, they got awesome broadband there smile.gif ). Clearly you do have a choice but it's up to you to exercise it.

PS: Yeah yeah I know their CEO did make some announcement on some obscure radio station about some BS after a month plus of silence. Clearly they care about their customers, IKR smile.gif

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post May 1 2011, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(eddie_lim @ Apr 30 2011, 09:49 PM)
If our country have rich contents hosted in local IDC with good local peering policy, you do not need to invest plenty of international bandwidth on undersea water cable, for example, Japs and Korean, even their local yahoo are in their local language hosted within their network. Do you think they will implement CR/VL on their 100mb/1gb line? for sure a 60GB policy will be finish in 1 day. So do invest your local contents providers, and welcome external content providers like akamai to be hosted here, then you will save cost. cure the symptoms, not the disease.
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I see that youtube now has "official" (not sure about before, but now I think they do have them) Malaysia cache server so it's definitely happening am i'm for one am glad. Before, the speed is slow and incredibly inconsistent but now it's buffering nice and smooth. Don't know how long this will last but for now, it's definitely a welcoming sight.

It seems local content is great and all but let's face it, most filehoster ain't gonna bother to invest their company in Malaysia's server when there's other cheaper (and better alternatives) elsewhere in Asia alone. Not to mention theres very little encouragement for people to even use it since it takes forever to download anything and don't even get me started with the whole "disconnect" problem.

ISPs really need to buck up and provide high speed broadband (with or without fiber optic) since thats what will encourage more "local content". How they heck i'm gonna provide anything with my lowly 1Mbps download and... some nonsense for upload speed. How would any major filehoster is going to provide anything to Malaysian if the major servers in Malaysia cost a bomb in first place?

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